The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Lafleurs Guy]

There's a huge difference between having potential and merely showing potential. Eller was given every opportunity to succeed.

Won't rehash the Eller debate but the bolded here is just laughable.

 

[Doc McKenna]

There's a huge difference between having potential and merely showing potential. Eller was given every opportunity to succeed.

again with this meme , so tiresome.

 

[ColinO]

I didn't watch any of his games either so can't say much. However, looking at his comments, it's clear he didn't take this trade lightly and was affected by it, not sure if he really turned the page.

PK's actually not doing that badly. He's on pace for 16 goals and 50 points so far. It won't take much improvement to make this a very good year for him.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Dude, come on, 13th overall pick going 17pts, 16g 28pts, and then 30pts in 46gp shows NO POTENTIAL??..
Even if you were dead set that he would never amount to anything you can't actually tell others that he showed no potential.

any other skater that was 23 would look like a rising star, nope anomally . Clearly a garbage 4th liners at best.

 

[Kojo]

He showed potential over his first three seasons. It continued early into his fourth, then management, right or wrong, made a clear choice of favoring DD over him as the other offensive center behind Plekanec. They used Eller more as a checking center.

Eller had some flash of brilliance in the pre-seasons and he had some good moments when he wasn't skating aimlessly. But this is what he used to do too often. I liked him, 30 points scorer like him on the third line are hard to come by. He could have been more physical and he would maybe still play for us. He was not good enough for our top 6 or our bottom 6.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

He was drafted 13th overall, he had 3 seasons of steady incline in production ending with 30pts in 46gp.
There was definite potential whether you want to admit it or not.
Potential:having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Definitely showed had potential. I don't think that's debatable.

Depends how you evaluate that season. I consider it an anomaly.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Subban got a powerplay point, but he's also the reason why Duclair scored on Rinne. He failed his hit on him and that led to a 2 on 1 for Arizona.

So I'd say the head to head for game 10 is a tie.

That was a horrible play by Subban.

As far as this "head to head" thing goes... Weber can give away the puck in the slot (which he did recently) and Price will be there to save it. Subban won't be so lucky with Rinne. So is it bad defensive plays or defensive plays that lead to a goal that you'd look at? Because the way it looks right now Carey Price isn't going to let in another goal this year.

 

[George Lebay]

Subban for Weber, would you make the trade today ?

 

[Kriss E]

Depends how you evaluate that season. I consider it an anomaly.

There was absolutely no reason to judge it as an anomaly back then. Even if you did, you could not say that his only upside was a 25ish pt scorer off the 3rd line.

 

[Kojo]

Subban for Weber, would you make the trade today ?

no way, I almost cried when Subban was traded. I still think this is a trade that will benefit both teams.

 

[Kojo]

That was a horrible play by Subban.

As far as this "head to head" thing goes... Weber can give away the puck in the slot (which he did recently) and Price will be there to save it. Subban won't be so lucky with Rinne. So is it bad defensive plays or defensive plays that lead to a goal that you'd look at? Because the way it looks right now Carey Price isn't going to let in another goal this year.

Seriously though how long is Price going to allow under two goals per game before the other teams start shooting high, that's his weakness!

 

[Habs Icing]

The only reason, and I mean the only reason I wish him bad success (not health), is because of this board. He's made his millions, he'll be fine, but as for on ice success, I hope he gets exposed for each and everyone of his weaknesses so many members on this board can shut up!!!

So far it's worked, we're back to talking about DD

PK was my favourite player on the Habs and I wouldn't want any of that to happen to him for two reasons.

One, it ain't gonna shut up anyone. It's rare the person who'll admit to being wrong. And even rarer on HF.

Two, I just like him and I don't want any of that crap to happen to him (or most players actually).

And this is coming from someone who was sure after the second day of the trade that we got the better hockey player in Weber.

 

[Habs Icing]

Produce more is one thing, tear it up is another.

Well, he's done neither so it's a moot point.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Seriously though how long is Price going to allow under two goals per game before the other teams start shooting high, that's his weakness!

I'm seriously starting to wonder if he's going to ever be scored on again. For much of 2015 he had a save percentage over .940 and currently he's sitting at .965. That isn't going to last all year but it's absolutely insane.

 

[Kojo]

All he was asked was to be better than DD and he couldn't accomplish it. Therefore he was traded away. I really wanted Eller to replace DD but it's turning out to be a difficult task.

 

[jaffy27]

Well I do give you credit for honestly talking about your immaturity..

edit....double posted

 

[Kriss E]

Well, he's done neither so it's a moot point.

True, but if one is to accuse others of one thing, make it right.

 

[jaffy27]

Well I do give you credit for honestly talking about your immaturity..

You sound like my wife .....except she finishes it with a

I'm good with being called immature, makes me feel young

 

[Kriss E]

You sound like my wife .....except she finishes it with a

I'm good with being called immature, makes me feel young

You're welcome I guess...

 

[LyricalLyricist]

There was absolutely no reason to judge it as an anomaly back then. Even if you did, you could not say that his only upside was a 25ish pt scorer off the 3rd line.

I thought he was a fringe 2nd liner really.

He's shown he can be consistently inconsistent and pointing to the 'one time' he looked good out of 10 only cements that belief.

 

[japhi]

Won't rehash the Eller debate but the bolded here is just laughable.

Sorry, but 15 mins a game for a guy that has almost no offensive awareness, who is not particularly good at draws and doesn't play a shut down role is absolutely every opportunity to succeed. He is a 4th line player on a good team and he was playing 3rd line minutes in Montreal, getting 50% plus o zone starts. You know why he doesn't play PP? The same reason Torrey Mitchell and Jay Beagle don't play PP. They are bottom 6 players, like Lars.

You guys vastly overrated Lars and then built you impression on his usage off that. If you have him as a top 6 talent then yes, he was under utilized. If you have him as a bottom 6 role player, then he was over-utilized.

Washington has him playing the right minutes, 13 a game with no PP, 4 of that on the PK. They tried him at 15 mins a game and he produced nothing, because that is who he is. Lars gets way more credit then he deserves because he has size and looks - he looks far more like a good player then his actual results. If he was 5'11 and ugly he would have been ran out of Montreal for sucking up 15 mins / 3.5MM and putting up 26 points.

 

[japhi]

Are people really *****ing about eller in this thread? Really? The guy they replaced him with has one measly point more. ONE. While costing two 2nd rounders and paid more for the next 6 years. While one also plays on the PP with Therrien's favorite son while the other plays a more typical 3rd line role and PK. You can't play him as a defensive specialist and expect him to explode offensively at 27 years old even though all the signs pointed to hIm having potential. Didn't he lead the league in dzone starts at one point or something? We kept the worst center that has no value in this league and that's a fact.

It's like that whole Bergevin ******** saying galchenyuk may be or never be a center and then 5 years later winder why he's struggling at center! It's called development Pejorative Sluration. Neglect your kid for 5 years and see how they turn out.

Galch is a PPG player so far this year. That is great development.

And Eller had 50% o zone starts last year. Mitchell had close to 70%. And they produced similar offensive output.

 

[Brainiac]

Dude, come on, 13th overall pick going 17pts, 16g 28pts, and then 30pts in 46gp shows NO POTENTIAL??..
Even if you were dead set that he would never amount to anything you can't actually tell others that he showed no potential.

As I said, we now know that this 30 pts. in 46 games was, most probably, a statistical anomaly.

Otherwise, he would have been able to repeat that kind of pace, especially as he's now playing for a more offensive minded team like the Caps. And yet, all we see from Eller is the usual no-show in the offensive zone.

You assume that what you saw back in 2012-2013 was potential, I say it was an anomaly.

 

[Adriatic]

Won't rehash the Eller debate but the bolded here is just laughable.

Oh really, so what do you call giving a player the opportunity to play over 400 nhl games?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Sorry, but 15 mins a game for a guy that has almost no offensive awareness, who is not particularly good at draws and doesn't play a shut down role is absolutely every opportunity to succeed. He is a 4th line player on a good team and he was playing 3rd line minutes in Montreal, getting 50% plus o zone starts. You know why he doesn't play PP? The same reason Torrey Mitchell and Jay Beagle don't play PP. They are bottom 6 players, like Lars.

You guys vastly overrated Lars and then built you impression on his usage off that. If you have him as a top 6 talent then yes, he was under utilized. If you have him as a bottom 6 role player, then he was over-utilized.

Washington has him playing the right minutes, 13 a game with no PP, 4 of that on the PK. They tried him at 15 mins a game and he produced nothing, because that is who he is. Lars gets way more credit then he deserves because he has size and looks - he looks far more like a good player then his actual results. If he was 5'11 and ugly he would have been ran out of Montreal for sucking up 15 mins / 3.5MM and putting up 26 points.

One guy can go 40 games with no PP points and still get regular shifts the other can go a few games and then get bumped to a lower line. All the crap about Eller aside, it's laughable to say he got a real opportunity here.