The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity
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Chili
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It seems like another era now but he was effective at what he was asked to do...protect his teammates.
Doc McKenna
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sheed36
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Cool. I know Eller isn't scoring but how as he played overall? Is he doing the job defensively and on the PK for the Caps?
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Bryson
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I like Weber. I think he's a fine player. That being said, the Great Weber Leadership didn't stop the team from getting scored on ten times last night. And I might point out that Subban was also one of the few to lead the team in plus minus last year during our historic collapse. That proves that Weber would not have done a damn thing to prevent what happened last year without Price.
Perspective. Subban only has 6 points....good for 2nd overall on his team! Let that sink in. The problem is that Nashville can't score. Their big guns are complete no shows. Johansen has one goal all season and Forsberg has zero.
Therrien has led this team to the worst collapse in sports history and now the worst showing the habs have had in over twenty years!
I like Weber. I think he's a fine player. That being said, the Great Weber Leadership didn't stop the team from getting scored on ten times last night. And I might point out that Subban was also one of the few to lead the team in plus minus last year during our historic collapse. That proves that Weber would not have done a damn thing to prevent what happened last year without Price.
Perspective. Subban only has 6 points....good for 2nd overall on his team! Let that sink in. The problem is that Nashville can't score. Their big guns are complete no shows. Johansen has one goal all season and Forsberg has zero.
Therrien has led this team to the worst collapse in sports history and now the worst showing the habs have had in over twenty years!
Habs lose=Weber didn't stop it.
Nashville not scoring=It's not subban's fault.
It's a team game for both guys. Weber isn't responsible for any more than Subban. Equal credit/criticism potential. They play similar minutes.
Bryson
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This is exactly the point. At best the trade was a wash while acquiring a player that is four years older. Was it worth it to completely destroy a community and the dream of a generational talent just to appease the whims of a Neanderthal coach? You don't trade players that live and die for your team, you go to war with them but that's just me.
Are you trying to say that Subban is a generational talent, or that people dream that he is?
Bryson
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Norris Trophy winner and 3 year consecutive playoff leader. When was the last time the habs had a defenseman like that?
Seriously?
So MB should acquire someone who loves the habs now, we're in the business of making dreams happen afterall...and what community has been destroyed?
Subban isn't a generational talent, sorry. He's elite though, that's certain.Weber and Subban are similarly talented really. They are still part of a team though, that's all I'm saying. Wins and loses are influenced by them but they won't be the sole reason a team wins or loses 95% of the time.
aresknights
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Weber > Subban as far as effectiveness with team.
The community is fine lol.
Subbans game will decline earlier than SW making the 3/4 yr différence' irrévélant
Ill take Weber in a war 10 outta 10 in a "war" n its not even close. ( and I liked PK)
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groovejuice
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At least he won a Honda Odyssey at the All-Star game. His wife and kids are happy.
You seem to always want to say how much you liked PK (apparently you don't anymore considering the presence of the past tense) and yet often try to diminish his game.
Tell me, what did you like of PK, I'm just curious.
Habs Icing
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You want to play this silly game. Where in the standings are the Preds this year? And Last year? What's the only change they made in the off season? Apparently Weber was able to prevent the Preds from falling out of the playoffs last year. To date PK is unable to do anything about it.
You guys talk about 7-8-9-10 games as small sample size but leap on one terrible game like a starving fat man on Bar-B-Barn spare ribs. (This was a paid announcement)
Habs Icing
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You know, it's possible to like PK and not think he is a generational talent (like many have claimed on this board) or even a top 10 d-man. How are things working out in Nashville for him?
Sure, I don't think PK is a generational talent either. Not what I asked about.
According to this board, PK is the reason Nashville is crapping the bed.
It goes both ways though. I see lots of posts saying how Weber wasn't enough of a leader to stop the cbj loss. And I do think doubt if the habs had Nash record then Weber would be getting a lot of blame for the record.
Isn't it surprising that Nash is not thriving offensively? Blame Thierry forwards but many were lead to believe that PK drives offense. Nash seems to also have a better group of forwards than any team we had with PK.
But I am sure at some point Nash might turn it around. Just don't know if they have enough to make the playoffs especially with Rinne in nets.
Generational talent lol. Being a top 15 guy today that doesn't even make best on best teams does not equal generational. PK is not even playing first wave pp in nashville, much less one of the best dmen the last 25 years. Weber actually is one of the best dmen of the past 10 years and if he continues to dominate he may be "generational" but Subban, not so much. Lets see him dominate for a decade.
And I've watched 6 nash games this year and he hasn't looked good. A handful of even strenght goals, a bunch of turnovers and his new team is losing.
Habs Icing
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Things wrong with this post;
1) This board was and still is for the most part pro PK. Many of the people who hated the trade are grudgingly reserved but between claims of small sample sizes will declare how Weber's leadership failed to avert a 10-0 loss and overlook the fact that that is irony epitomized and that in such a terrible game Weber was +/- 0.
2) PK is not the reason Nashville is crapping out. But he is one of the reasons they are NOT crapping out. With Weber there last year they made it to the 2nd round. This year with no other change but Weber for PK and with no injury to speak of, they look like they may make it for the 2nd overall draft pick. It's not all on PK but the way many of you were talking about the trade this summer, Montreal and Nashville places in the standings should be reversed.
Defencemen are more reliant on team systems than forwards. Give Subban time to get used to his new teammates and coach, and he'll once again be a star there as we was here. Sure, there are no guarantees when it comes to chemistry, but Subban's talent is undeniable.
LA is having a poor start -- is that because of Doughty?
The same applies to Weber, by the way. His presence was felt almost from day-one, but the overall group of d-men we have are still uncoordinated and learning to play together. Even a vet like Petry has only played approx one full season with the Habs spread over three seasons. Defense has sucked the last few games; it will improve over time.
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