The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Brainiac]

Not PK

my guess is he's gonna work for Entertainment Tonight or Good Morning America once he's done hockey

I doubt he can wait that long now that he's in Nashville.

Probably gonna see him this summer on Entertainment Tonight.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I doubt he can wait that long now that he's in Nashville.

Probably gonna see him this summer on Entertainment Tonight.

They'll bring back Hee Haw so he can be a Special Guest Star

 

[Kriss E]

The only reason, and I mean the only reason I wish him bad success (not health), is because of this board. He's made his millions, he'll be fine, but as for on ice success, I hope he gets exposed for each and everyone of his weaknesses so many members on this board can shut up!!!

So far it's worked, we're back to talking about DD

Well I do give you credit for honestly talking about your immaturity..

 

[Kriss E]

That's not true. Several people were saying that Eller was going to produce more because he will play under a good coach who knows how to use him, and because he will have better linemates.

Produce more is one thing, tear it up is another.

 

[Kriss E]

OR, he never had top 6 potential and people were in denial.

MT had it right.

He was drafted 13th overall, he had 3 seasons of steady incline in production ending with 30pts in 46gp.
There was definite potential whether you want to admit it or not.
Potential:having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Definitely showed had potential. I don't think that's debatable.

 

[Kriss E]

Ex Habs thread. Eller is an ex Hab.

If 27 is too old, then PK Cant step up his game as well since he's starting out on a new team? Right?

Ya sure that's what I said.

 

[Kriss E]

Maybe Subban is feeling the pressure of wanting to show habs lost the trade. Despite his faults he's usually a steady d-man. His mistakes however are so unforced and glaring that they cause a lot of attention. If he's making more of those, he's not focused.

That being said, I wouldn't know as I didn't watch much of Nashville.

I didn't watch any of his games either so can't say much. However, looking at his comments, it's clear he didn't take this trade lightly and was affected by it, not sure if he really turned the page.

 

[MXD]

He was drafted 13th overall, he had 3 seasons of steady incline in production ending with 30pts in 46gp.
There was definite potential whether you want to admit it or not.
Potential:having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Definitely showed had potential. I don't think that's debatable.

Had I wanted to say something useless, aimless and pointless today, that's exactly what I would've said.

Not to mention : Terrific Appeal To Authority dude, regardless of what you may say, think or write.

 

[Kriss E]

Had I wanted to say something useless, aimless and pointless today, that's exactly what I would've said.

Not to mention : Terrific Appeal To Authority dude, regardless of what you may say, think or write.

Pot meet kettle.
It's useless TODAY. Not back when we traded him.

 

[Kriss E]

Pot meet kettle.
It's useless TODAY. Not back when we traded him.

Traded *for him.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Had I wanted to say something useless, aimless and pointless today, that's exactly what I would've said.

Not to mention : Terrific Appeal To Authority dude, regardless of what you may say, think or write.

What? That is what you posted here.

 

[MXD]

Pot meet kettle.
It's useless TODAY. Not back when we traded him.

I suppose every other first rounder had great potential, too.
And you just went for ANOTHER Appeal To Authority!

 

[sandviper]

Speaking on another former Hab, good on Mike Condon for shutting down the Canucks. Based on the highlights, the Canucks were not completely inept and Mike actually had to work. Hope for all the best for the guy.

 

[Brainiac]

He was drafted 13th overall, he had 3 seasons of steady incline in production ending with 30pts in 46gp.
There was definite potential whether you want to admit it or not.
Potential:having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Definitely showed had potential. I don't think that's debatable.

First of all, his draft rank is pointless. That was 10 years ago. That information is simply outdated and countered by more recent data.

Secondly, his 30 points in 46 games was during the lockout shortened season and yes, that season was littered with anomalies, mostly young guys overperforming. Like Kadri going PPG, for exemple.

Since then, we have plenty of evidence showing that Lars Eller is just a 25 points guy and nothing more.

There was no potential, just a flukey season.

 

[Kojo]

It was a good gamble at the time. It just didn't work out. Back then I thought they would just lose Halak for nothing.

 

[Kriss E]

I suppose every other first rounder had great potential, too.
And you just went for ANOTHER Appeal To Authority!

Hmmm no. Anybody who was drafted 13th overall, did well in SEL and then AHL, showed some potential.


But not sure why you're making some broad generality when I also mentioned his first 3 years in the NHL.

If I told you that a 13th overall drafted player put up 17pts as a rookie, then scored 16goals (28pts) as a sophomore, then put up 30pts in 46gp in a shortened season, would you tell me ''pfft...no potential.''??..
I mean, if you just look at his first 3 years in the NHL, there is a steady increase in production. The fact he was drafted 13th overall only reinforces the fact teams saw an interesting player with talent, then you had his steady growth, how in the world does anybody view this as ''no potential''?
Come on man. Seems like you only wanted to argue here.

Eller showed potential, it's clear as day.

 

[Kojo]

Hmmm no. Anybody who was drafted 13th overall, did well in SEL and then AHL, showed some potential.


But not sure why you're making some broad generality when I also mentioned his first 3 years in the NHL.

If I told you that a 13th overall drafted player put up 17pts as a rookie, then scored 16goals (28pts) as a sophomore, then put up 30pts in 46gp in a shortened season, would you tell me ''pfft...no potential.''??..
I mean, if you just look at his first 3 years in the NHL, there is a steady increase in production. The fact he was drafted 13th overall only reinforces the fact teams saw an interesting player with talent, then you had his steady growth, how in the world does anybody view this as ''no potential''?
Come on man. Seems like you only wanted to argue here.

Eller showed potential, it's clear as day.

There's a huge difference between having potential and merely showing potential. Eller was given every opportunity to succeed.

 

[Brainiac]

Eller showed potential, it's clear as day.

It's called statistical anomalies. Happen all the time.

Eller played almost 500 games in the NHL and you insist on saying he had potential because he played unusually well in a little stretch that amounts to 10% of his career.

I'd rather assume that what we saw in the other 90% of his games is the real Eller.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I didn't watch any of his games either so can't say much. However, looking at his comments, it's clear he didn't take this trade lightly and was affected by it, not sure if he really turned the page.

I agree. I had said as much in an earlier post (or in the last Forner Habs thread).

To me, it comes off as if the trade is still a sore spot for PK. I also think that seeing the Habs succeed without him and in particular Weber is off to a great start and the fans are loving him probably grinds PK even more. And I'm not talking about him affected to the point his eye starts twitching, but I'm sure it hurts his pride.

There are times when the question he's asked has nothing to do with Montreal, but he finds a way to refer to Habs. An example is he was asked about how he's finding his time with the Preds so far and he talks about how they let him be who he is and that it's not the kind of market that will put a letter on your jersey and try to tell you how to act. The question was about what he thinks about Nashville and his answer references Montreal more.

Let's not forget that this is month 1 of 6 years left so this doesn't tell us what he's gonna be like in the future. He could end up tearing it up eventually.

 

[Kriss E]

It's called statistical anomalies. Happen all the time.

Eller played almost 500 games in the NHL and you insist on saying he had potential because he played unusually well in a little stretch that amounts to 10% of his career.

I'd rather assume that what we saw in the other 90% of his games is the real Eller.

I am talking about back then, not now. I stated as such in previous posts.
See:

I'm curious, who are you talking to when you and others say this? Nobody here thought Eller was going to tear it up in Washington, the argument has always been that Therrien messed up a chance to develop Eller's offensive game. You don't start doing that at 27 on another team.
Also, the point was that we knew who DD was, and he wasn't enough. On the flip side, Eller was still young with potential, we wanted to see what he could do BACK THEN. Not now that he's 27 and an established 3rd line center.

I am talking about when he was coming off his 30pts in 46gp. Coming out of that season, there was no way of knowing it was a statistical anomaly.
If we're talking about the present, or going back to when he was traded, the vast majority of this board agreed he is simply a checking center.

 

[Kriss E]

There's a huge difference between having potential and merely showing potential. Eller was given every opportunity to succeed.

He showed potential over his first three seasons. It continued early into his fourth, then management, right or wrong, made a clear choice of favoring DD over him as the other offensive center behind Plekanec. They used Eller more as a checking center.

 

[Brainiac]

I am talking about back then, not now. I stated as such in previous posts.

Why insist on using outdated information?

Eller never had potential. It was just a mirage.

 

[Kriss E]

Why insist on using outdated information?

Eller never had potential. It was just a mirage.

Because I responded to that:

OR, he never had top 6 potential and people were in denial.

MT had it right.

Note the use of the past tense: ''never had''.

No offense, but if you're going to chime him, maybe make sure you know what the discussion is about?

 

[Brainiac]

Because I responded to that:

Note the use of the past tense: ''never had''.

No offense, but if you're going to chime him, maybe make sure you know what the discussion is about?

Yeah, he never had potential. What's the problem with that statement?

But I agree I might be a little unreceptive here.

After all, for Eller fans, it went from 'He 100% definitely has huge potential', to 'He might have shown some potential 4 years ago'.

Me, on the other hand, I stubornly remain entrenched in my position that 2012 was a statistical anomaly.

 

[Kriss E]

Yeah, he never had potential. What's the problem with that statement?

But I agree I might be a little unreceptive here.

After all, for Eller fans, it went from 'He 100% definitely has huge potential', to 'He might have shown some potential 4 years ago'.

Me, on the other hand, I stubornly remain entrenched in my position that 2012 was a statistical anomaly.

Dude, come on, 13th overall pick going 17pts, 16g 28pts, and then 30pts in 46gp shows NO POTENTIAL??..
Even if you were dead set that he would never amount to anything you can't actually tell others that he showed no potential.