OT: The Football Thread

[Islanders4Cups]

What have you seen from the Douglas - Saleh duo that justifies firing them?

Douglas who has no proven success as a GM prior to landing the Jets GM job drafted and brought to pressure packed New York of all places a supposed phenom QB, hired a head coach who never was an NFL head coach before who hired an offensive coordinator who never was an NFL offensive coordinator before to prepare this kid to be a starting QB in the NFL. They didn’t even have a veteran QB in the room until they were embarrassed enough to bring in Joe Flacco partially through the season.

The season has been a complete failure, the kid in some circles looks like a bust who we can’t even say was given a fair chance to prove himself due to the lack of a supporting organization.
Plenty of reason IMO.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Douglas who has no proven success as a GM prior to landing the Jets GM job drafted and brought to pressure packed New York of all places a supposed phenom QB, hired a head coach who never was an NFL head coach before who hired an offensive coordinator who never was an NFL offensive coordinator before to prepare this kid to be a starting QB in the NFL. They didn’t even have a veteran QB in the room until they were embarrassed enough to bring in Joe Flacco partially through the season.

The season has been a complete failure, the kid in some circles looks like a bust who we can’t even say was given a fair chance to prove himself due to the lack of a supporting organization.
Plenty of reason IMO.

At some point you need to give the guys a chance to turn it around though. I'm not saying Douglas/Saleh are the answer but I will say the only way I think they truly fail are if 1 of 2 things happen:

1.) Woody Johnson gets involved (forces them to pay big money for older vets in free agency to try and compete next season)

2.) Wilson is a bust.

Sadly, one of these two things may certainly happen. That being said, it was always going to take more than 1 season of Saleh to fix the Mac/Bowles/Gase fiasco.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

At some point you need to give the guys a chance to turn it around though. I'm not saying Douglas/Saleh are the answer but I will say the only way I think they truly fail are if 1 of 2 things happen:

1.) Woody Johnson gets involved (forces them to pay big money for older vets in free agency to try and compete next season)

2.) Wilson is a bust.

Sadly, one of these two things may certainly happen. That being said, it was always going to take more than 1 season of Saleh to fix the Mac/Bowles/Gase fiasco.

Well unfortunately the decision was made. The kid is trending poorly and will be another unrecoverable setback unless he can turn it around. He needed support when there was none to be found.

I have less faith in Douglas/Saleh than Wilson frankly. Saleh is probably just another good defensive coordinator like Todd Bowles. The job looks much to big for this front office and coaching staff.

 

[19 Straight]

Well unfortunately the decision was made. The kid is trending poorly and will be another unrecoverable setback unless he can turn it around. He needed support when there was none to be found.

I have less faith in Douglas/Saleh than Wilson frankly. Saleh is probably just another good defensive coordinator like Todd Bowles. The job looks much to big for this front office and coaching staff.

You are forgetting the tragic death of Knapp on the eve of trading camp. He was the veteran coaching presence who was hired to develop Wilson. This was the biggest loss of the season, but people gloss over it.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

overpaying for other teams cast off offensive linemen won't get the job done. rebulding an offensive line usually takes years. all qbs suck with a bad OL.

 

[The Real JT]

One of the biggest mistakes the Jets made was in the offseason is squarely on Joe Douglass.

Not signing a solid veteran QB to both mentor and compete with your young prized rookie QB was a remarkable oversight.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

One of the biggest mistakes the Jets made was in the offseason is squarely on Joe Douglass.

Not signing a solid veteran QB to both mentor and compete with your young prized rookie QB was a remarkable oversight.

I 100% agree with this. But, not a fire-able offense.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

One of the biggest mistakes the Jets made was in the offseason is squarely on Joe Douglass.

Not signing a solid veteran QB to both mentor and compete with your young prized rookie QB was a remarkable oversight.

everyone caught of guard by death of qb coach. i agree with you and was very surprised

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Dan Feeney with the assist on the Ty Johnson touchdown!

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Antonio Brown - yeah he's not on crack




Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Antonio Brown pulled off his equipment and left the field - while the Bucs were on offense against the New York Jets - during the third quarter on Sunday, Jan. 2, 2022 in East Rutherford, N.J. Brown did not return. The Bucs won, 28-24, and Brown was cut after the game.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Antonio Brown needed: 8 more catches to unlock a $333,333 bonus.

He also needed 55 receiving yards to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

He also needed just 1 receiving TD to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

 

[Big L]

Antonio Brown needed: 8 more catches to unlock a $333,333 bonus.

He also needed 55 receiving yards to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

He also needed just 1 receiving TD to unlock another $333,333 bonus.

Are you suggesting TB benched him in order not to pay him, or that AB is just an idiot and probably left $1m on the table?

 

[The Real JT]

Saleh with an aggressive good call IMO going for it on fourth down at the end of the game.

Then he follows that up with an absolutely mindless play call of a QB sneak when he needs 2 yards.

Awful call. Not Pete Carroll Super Bowl call awful but pretty bad.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Are you suggesting TB benched him in order not to pay him, or that AB is just an idiot and probably left $1m on the table?

idiot part

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

At some point you need to give the guys a chance to turn it around though. I'm not saying Douglas/Saleh are the answer but I will say the only way I think they truly fail are if 1 of 2 things happen:

1.) Woody Johnson gets involved (forces them to pay big money for older vets in free agency to try and compete next season)

2.) Wilson is a bust.

Sadly, one of these two things may certainly happen. That being said, it was always going to take more than 1 season of Saleh to fix the Mac/Bowles/Gase fiasco.

O/T, but Jones is a bust.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Saleh with an aggressive good call IMO going for it on fourth down at the end of the game.

Then he follows that up with an absolutely mindless play call of a QB sneak when he needs 2 yards.

Awful call. Not Pete Carroll Super Bowl call awful but pretty bad.

Who made that call? Saleh or Lafleur? I just don’t get how you make that call in that situation. Call your best play using your best players to put away a game. A QB sneak from that far out was atrocious. You could be accused of wanting to lose with that play call.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Who made that call? Saleh or Lafleur? I just don’t get how you make that call in that situation. Call your best play using your best players to put away a game. A QB sneak from that far out was atrocious. You could be accused of wanting to lose with that play call.

It was the wrong play. Saleh had said in the postgame presser that the play call was to give it to Berrios on an end around but for some reason Wilson did not hear that.

 

[JBHockey]

It was the wrong play. Saleh had said in the postgame presser that the play call was to give it to Berrios on an end around but for some reason Wilson did not hear that.

Maybe I'm wrong but I though they called a time out prior to that.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

It was the wrong play. Saleh had said in the postgame presser that the play call was to give it to Berrios on an end around but for some reason Wilson did not hear that.

It was an option to A) take the sneak or B) hand-off to Berrios on the end around. ZW said in the postgame presser that he saw that the A-gap was open so HE decided to keep it and sneak.

I like ZW taking the ownership, that is a leadership quality.

But you SHOULD NOT allow your rookie QB to make that decision at that point in the game. If your QB is Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes...sure you can allow them to make that decision, but not yet with Wilson.

In the grand scheme of things, who cares? That is a learning moment for Wilson, who played a solid game against a good team and NYJ gets a better pick anyway.

 

[YearlyLottery]

It was an option to A) take the sneak or B) hand-off to Berrios on the end around. ZW said in the postgame presser that he saw that the A-gap was open so HE decided to keep it and sneak.

I like ZW taking the ownership, that is a leadership quality.

But you SHOULD NOT allow your rookie QB to make that decision at that point in the game. If your QB is Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes...sure you can allow them to make that decision, but not yet with Wilson.

In the grand scheme of things, who cares? That is a learning moment for Wilson, who played a solid game against a good team and NYJ gets a better pick anyway.

Thank you for correcting me. It sounded to me like it was supposed to be an option but that they wanted to allow Wilson to hand it off to Berrios instead.

Learning experience against a Super Bowl contender anyhow.

 

[Big L]

Shouldn’t they have kicked a FG instead going for it on 4th and 2?

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Shouldn’t they have kicked a FG instead going for it on 4th and 2?

If this game was week 2, they would have 100%.

At this point in the season, what do you have to lose? You're already out of the playoffs and have already seen progression from ZW in the game, maybe you can make a statement win to close out the season strong.

I have a problem with the play call and how they allowed ZW to decide. I do not have a problem with them going for it.

What we don't know is if Woody or JD called down the play like Brad 'Wardaddy' Pitt in Fury (tank commander)

 

[The Real JT]

Shouldn’t they have kicked a FG instead going for it on 4th and 2?

If this game was week 2, they would have 100%.

At this point in the season, what do you have to lose? You're already out of the playoffs and have already seen progression from ZW in the game, maybe you can make a statement win to close out the season strong.

I have a problem with the play call and how they allowed ZW to decide. I do not have a problem with them going for it.

What we don't know is if Woody or JD called down the play like Brad 'Wardaddy' Pitt in Fury (tank commander)

I loved the decision to go for it.

Make the first down and the game is over. If they get stopped, TB still need a touchdown to beat you.

If you kick the field goal then TB still has a chance to score a TD to tie the game. If that were to happen, who really thinks the Jets would come back to score in regulation or OT?

As for Wilson, it was a huge uptick in performance and experience for him.

I agree, good on Zach for taking responsibility. At the same time it was embarrassing for Saleh to effectively throw Lafleur under the bus. It may have very well been the fault of Lafleur for the miscommunication but the head coach, like the QB, needs to take responsibility.

 

[Osakahaus]

Douglas who has no proven success as a GM prior to landing the Jets GM job drafted and brought to pressure packed New York of all places a supposed phenom QB, hired a head coach who never was an NFL head coach before who hired an offensive coordinator who never was an NFL offensive coordinator before to prepare this kid to be a starting QB in the NFL. They didn’t even have a veteran QB in the room until they were embarrassed enough to bring in Joe Flacco partially through the season.

The season has been a complete failure, the kid in some circles looks like a bust who we can’t even say was given a fair chance to prove himself due to the lack of a supporting organization.
Plenty of reason IMO.

they were never in the realm of contending or even being on the level of being a "in the hunt" team, especially when accounting injuries and scheme. they just needed to not shit their pants. this season was meh, but way better than 2020 where you really had no bright spots outside of mims and becton.

besides, they could upset buffalo still. highly unlikely but it would be a cherry on top

 

[Quickdraw2828]

they were never in the realm of contending or even being on the level of being a "in the hunt" team, especially when accounting injuries and scheme. they just needed to not shit their pants. this season was meh, but way better than 2020 where you really had no bright spots outside of mims and becton.

besides, they could upset buffalo still. highly unlikely but it would be a cherry on top

I don't care if they win, I'd just like to see Wilson with 2 tds, 250 yards, and one interception tops.