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He goes d-to-d an awful lot. Like...every time.
I mean that's probably the smart play for him, but that in itself is a problem and something that could get seriously exposed.
The Erik "Gudzilla" Gudbranson Thread
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He goes d-to-d an awful lot. Like...every time.
I mean that's probably the smart play for him, but that in itself is a problem and something that could get seriously exposed.
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That's an excellent typo.
ColePens
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It is imperative to understand that we can only judge Gudbranson (as Pens fans) for the last 6 periods he's played. That's all we can do. The trade happened. It's done. WE control nothing. It's done and he's ours now so we have to cheer for him.
So in the last 6 periods, he's been amazing. We've seen guys turn it around here in a big way. The biggest example is Justin Schultz. That is the prime example. We've also seen guys come over and fit the exact definition of what the opposing fan said. Hunwick is an example of that. It's impossible to tell how a player will play on a different team until he's done it for over a year. The only thing we can judge is the last 6 periods and to be honest, he's been amazing.
But as @Soggy Biscuit said - you can judge a player's career and what he's done in the past. That is fair. But for now, he's a Penguin. And also for now, he's done a great job in the 2 games he's played. That's it.
So in the last 6 periods, he's been amazing. We've seen guys turn it around here in a big way. The biggest example is Justin Schultz. That is the prime example. We've also seen guys come over and fit the exact definition of what the opposing fan said. Hunwick is an example of that. It's impossible to tell how a player will play on a different team until he's done it for over a year. The only thing we can judge is the last 6 periods and to be honest, he's been amazing.
But as @Soggy Biscuit said - you can judge a player's career and what he's done in the past. That is fair. But for now, he's a Penguin. And also for now, he's done a great job in the 2 games he's played. That's it.
He is not a top four D man so what anyone expects as to a shut down D man is just unrealistic. He brings that element of the hammer to players who take liberties to the stars. Yes at 4 million that is a bit rich, but Pens need that opposing team to be aware he can end your night. I think Riikola is a better fit as a puck mover and Pens issues are health and under performance. He is not an issue.
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Pettersson looks like rookie Maatta with actual skating skill.
I can’t believe there is a sect of our fan base that thinks Pettersson has looked bad..
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I don’t think he’s looked bad, but I’m just pointing out I’ve seen more mistakes from Pets than guds. In the limited sample.
ColePens
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Pets has had inconsistencies for sure. Hell just the other game he passed the puck directly to Eichel. But he's 22 years old! Rarely do dmen come in early and play as consistent as he has. All you have to look at is the group of Flyers young dmen who are very talented and seemingly f*** up every game.
Young dmen in this league are going to make mistakes. For Pets age, he's been really solid IMO. I think he will even develop into a better player. Look how long it took Dumo.
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I think a player like Gudbranson being a -2.0 CF%Rel player is perfectly solid. They're not good possession stats in a vacuum, but considering the kind of player he is, I think they're solid. You're not judging him much on his puck moving talent, because it's not what he brings to the table.
This is just a personal opinion of mine, but I put a little bit less value in possession stats for guys I know aren't puck movers or offensive players. Possession stats are tailored towards puck movers more than anyone else, and I don't think not being a puck mover means you're a bad player. I just move the good/bad CF%Rel barrier down a little bit for players that I know aren't good puck movers.
Gurglesons
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Pets has had inconsistencies for sure. Hell just the other game he passed the puck directly to Eichel. But he's 22 years old! Rarely do dmen come in early and play as consistent as he has. All you have to look at is the group of Flyers young dmen who are very talented and seemingly **** up every game.
For Pets age, he's been really solid IMO. I think he will even develop into a better player. Look how long it took Dumo.
I also think you need to evaluate who is burning him. Like uh no, one of the future top five center’s in the league burned Pettersson.
It’s like the people getting all over Letang when McD and Drai made him look silly.
Its going to be an incredibly interesting offseason no matter how this years shakes out.
Dumo and Letnag are great and locked up.
Shultz is really good and has another year or two.
Maata is solid as hell and has term.
Pettersson and Riokola have shown talent, are cheap and controllable.
Johnson and Gudbranson have looked better but arent great or even good but still have term.
Thats 8 NHL defensemen with mid to longer term control with salary cap questions.
Dumo and Letnag are great and locked up.
Shultz is really good and has another year or two.
Maata is solid as hell and has term.
Pettersson and Riokola have shown talent, are cheap and controllable.
Johnson and Gudbranson have looked better but arent great or even good but still have term.
Thats 8 NHL defensemen with mid to longer term control with salary cap questions.
I dont disagree but if you are one of those guys you need to be unquestionably making a positive impact defensively.
They way he and Johnson have been playing recently, meets that criteria. I wouldnt say his overall tenure in Florida does. For spurts sure.
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Empoleon8771
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Yeah, I think this is reasonable. I think Gudbranson had at least a season or back to back seasons of being a perfectly solid #5 defenseman for Florida, but it's not like he was consistently doing that. His time in Vancouver also can't be ignored.
I'd be very satisfied with him being the bottom pair RD if the Penguins would have a better LD than Maatta or Johnson on the 2nd pair. However, it seems like the Penguins are putting their eggs in the Johnson basket and Maatta is going to be the odd man out.
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With JMFJ and Guddy in the lineup if nothing else we should get our fair share of croschecks in front of the net in. I always felt like we took more of those than we gave. No more.
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Whatever we think about him, can we at least all agree not to call Gudbranson "Guddy"? That alone could make this stretch run intolerable.
There has to be a better way.
There has to be a better way.
If they can keep playing like this im all for it, since i belive Maatta can get you a good return.
Lets just say im skeptical of the first half of that sentence.
UnrealMachine
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Or, turn it into a comedy act with Gud and JJ going d-to-d for 60-straight minutes. #Ctrl+F"OutletPass"=NotFound
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That's because Hornqvist is there more than anyone
Empoleon8771
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Gudbranson and Johnson abruptly becoming solid to good defensemen for the Penguins would be just the kind of stupid **** I didn't expect to happen to this team this year
I seriously doubt it though, especially with Johnson. That pair is getting smacked right now in terms of possession, I really don't view their positive GF% numbers to be sustainable when they're getting pretty heavily out-shot. I think Gudbranson can be a perfectly solid #6 defenseman, and a Pettersson-Gudbranson 3rd pair would complement each other well. I think the chances of that pair being good are decent. But Johnson as the 2nd pair LD? I mean sure, he was that as recently as 2016-2017, but I'm not holding my breath.
I seriously doubt it though, especially with Johnson. That pair is getting smacked right now in terms of possession, I really don't view their positive GF% numbers to be sustainable when they're getting pretty heavily out-shot. I think Gudbranson can be a perfectly solid #6 defenseman, and a Pettersson-Gudbranson 3rd pair would complement each other well. I think the chances of that pair being good are decent. But Johnson as the 2nd pair LD? I mean sure, he was that as recently as 2016-2017, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I just wonder which of the two is going to injure Murray first by pushing somebody into him. You know, the old Orpik special.
Anyway, the forwards have played a lot more responsibly in our zone since the Sharks debacle, let's see if Gudbranson and JJ can cope when the forwards become complacent again.
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One other thought.
Funny how the worst defensemen looked a lot better when the forwards cared enough to help out more defensively as they finally have of late. I don't think that is a coincidence.
Funny how the worst defensemen looked a lot better when the forwards cared enough to help out more defensively as they finally have of late. I don't think that is a coincidence.
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