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January 27, 1973 - The scene was shot using wireless mics at a game - those were not extras

Picture in Globe

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Peter Yates used a new smaller camera to shoot scenes

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The bar was the Kentucky Tavern and Mass and Newbury - long gone

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I had a friend visit Boston for the first time in 45 years and he was in shock at how the city had changed.


My boyhood home was a stone's throw from the bank they robbed in that movie, at Stetson and Washington in Weymouth. I used to play Galaga across the street from that bank, while waiting for my family's order of foot long hot dogs with bacon and cheese and raspberry lime rickeys at Caswell's Seafood.
 
@Si Hopkins

January 27, 1973 - The scene was shot using wireless mics at a game - those were not extras

Picture in Globe

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Peter Yates used a new smaller camera to shoot scenes

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The bar was the Kentucky Tavern and Mass and Newbury - long gone

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I had a friend visit Boston for the first time in 45 years and he was in shock at how the city had changed.


I love this. I was was wondering if anybody had done some writing on this movie, especially as a document of the state of the city at that time. I want to do some research. If you have any recommendations, I'm all ears. I love the way everybody and everywhere seems so perfectly chosen. It's so friggin real. I wish I could walk back into that world for a little bit.

I grew up in the 80's and 90's and caught probably the tail end of this version of Greater/Boston. There were still plenty of rough edges. Certainly by the late 90's it was something else entirely, never mind now. I live in western, MA, but still come back to Malden to visit family. Driving on 93 N past TD Garden is still a mindf***. How the HELL did all that happen? It's like a different country.

Mitchum...I had no idea. Dude killed that role.
 
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My boyhood home was a stone's throw from the bank they robbed in that movie, at Stetson and Washington in Weymouth. I used to play Galaga across the street from that bank, while waiting for my family's order of foot long hot dogs with bacon and cheese and raspberry lime rickeys at Caswell's Seafood.
@jgatie

 
I love this. I was was wondering if anybody had done some writing on this movie, especially as a document of the state of the city at that time. I want to do some research. If you have any recommendations, I'm all ears. I love the way everybody and everywhere seems so perfectly chosen. It's so friggin real. I wish I could walk back into that world for a little bit.

I grew up in the 80's and 90's and caught probably the tail end of this version of Greater/Boston. There were still plenty of rough edges. Certainly by the late 90's it was something else entirely, never mind now. I live in western, MA, but still come back to Malden to visit family. Driving on 93 N past TD Garden is still a mindf***. How the HELL did all that happen? It's like a different country.

Mitchum...I had no idea. Dude killed that role.
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The movie was not released to home video until 2010 and was 'lost' for 30 years.

Years ago I met movie critic Rogert Ebert and when I mentioned I was from Boston the next thing he said was 'Eddie Coyle is one of my favorite films.

His 1973 review


 
I've actually never seen the movie, but this is one of my favorite books ever. Dialogue is tremendous. My favorite Jackie Brown quote:
"I'm not so f---ing stupid as to drive this car into the woods to find two other guys with machine guns who know I've got money. This life's hard, but it's harder if you're stupid."
 
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I've actually never seen the movie, but this is one of my favorite books ever. Dialogue is tremendous. My favorite Jackie Brown quote:
"I'm not so f---ing stupid as to drive this car into the woods to find two other guys with machine guns who know I've got money. This life's hard, but it's harder if you're stupid."

The movie is excellent. The Boston landmarks, the Garden, Boston Bowl, the bars and pubs, etc. are as much characters as the actors.
 
The movie is excellent. The Boston landmarks, the Garden, Boston Bowl, the bars and pubs, etc. are as much characters as the actors.

Boston as a city had character 50 years ago.....

Being older I suspect if someone from 1922 was transported to 1972 they would still see a lot of the city they knew. Transport someone from 1972 to today and they would be bewildered.

North Station and Kenmore Sq being upscale? The Seaport? :help:
 
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Boston as a city had character 50 years ago.....

Being older I suspect if someone from 1922 was transported to 1972 they would still see a lot of the city they knew. Transport someone from 1972 to today and they would be bewildered.

North Station and Kenmore Sq being upscale? The Seaport? :help:

Absolutely. Same as New York City. Sure Times Square is chic cool today, but the 80s version of me misses the run down character of Times Square, Alphabet City, the Bowery, etc. However, the 57 year old version of me doesn't miss the danger of hanging out there. It's a tough call, nostalgia vs. the wisdom of old age.

Though I do say it may be coming full circle. I drove the Methadone Mile to get to an eye appointment on Huntington 2 weeks ago, and for the first time in the decades I've been doing it, I felt fear driving in my city. It's a different vibe today. Gentrification only concentrates the areas of danger, it never makes them disappear. I found that out in the Bronx back in the early 90s.
 
Absolutely. Same as New York City. Sure Times Square is chic cool today, but the 80s version of me misses the run down character of Times Square, Alphabet City, the Bowery, etc. However, the 57 year old version of me doesn't miss the danger of hanging out there. It's a tough call, nostalgia vs. the wisdom of old age.

Though I do say it may be coming full circle. I drove the Methadone Mile to get to an eye appointment on Huntington 2 weeks ago, and for the first time in the decades I've been doing it, I felt fear driving in my city. It's a different vibe today. Gentrification only concentrates the areas of danger, it never makes them disappear. I found that out in the Bronx back in the early 90s.
@jgatie


Boston pre-Big Dig I knew cold, I drove a cab part-time in the '70s and '80s and it was easy money. Today I sometimes get lost.................... :help:

Boston started to change in the mid-'80s when students from Harvard and MIT decided to stay here after graduating. The TV show Cheers made Boston look like a desirable place to live.

I was a freelancer for NBC Sports in 1993 and wound up working a shoulder mount camera for this live fiasco. The script called for Leno to move to the back bar in 40 seconds and my camera had the shot - but it wasn't for 40 seconds. I can not describe the terror I felt being 'live' on the network for much longer than I anticipated as the director had no other options.

Suits at NBC in New York noticed and I became a trusted camera op

That Tonight Show may rank as one of the most embarrassing moments in TV history.

What could go wrong with a live shoot at 11:30 PM in a bar :biglaugh:

 
Gonna possibly have a typhoon hit Taiwan soon. Which...is just absolutely wonderful. Ugh.
 
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Boston pre-Big Dig I knew cold, I drove a cab part-time in the '70s and '80s and it was easy money. Today I sometimes get lost.................... :help:

Boston started to change in the mid-'80s when students from Harvard and MIT decided to stay here after graduating. The TV show Cheers made Boston look like a desirable place to live.

I was a freelancer for NBC Sports in 1993 and wound up working a shoulder mount camera for this live fiasco. The script called for Leno to move to the back bar in 40 seconds and my camera had the shot - but it wasn't for 40 seconds. I can not describe the terror I felt being 'live' on the network for much longer than I anticipated as the director had no other options.

Suits at NBC in New York noticed and I became a trusted camera op

That Tonight Show may rank as one of the most embarrassing moments in TV history.

What could go wrong with a live shoot at 11:30 PM in a bar :biglaugh:



Couple of little points out of this video - there's an ad during the show for Jurassic Park, reminding me of just how much I was looking forward to that film back in '93, and it did not disappoint. But gosh how far that franchise has fallen in the years since.

And Jay asks Kelsey Grammer "Kelsey you've got a show coming up right?" Grammer rather downplays it. Eleven years later Frasier signed off as one of the very greatest sitcoms of all time. Which back in 1993 probably seemed pretty unlikely. How rarely spin-offs work.
 
Sometimes I forget that even tho my daughter is a goofy bratty teen whos going to be 15 in a few weeks shes a really smart motivated young lady.

Miss my girls ugh
 

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I've actually never seen the movie, but this is one of my favorite books ever. Dialogue is tremendous. My favorite Jackie Brown quote:
"I'm not so f---ing stupid as to drive this car into the woods to find two other guys with machine guns who know I've got money. This life's hard, but it's harder if you're stupid."

It's amazing, pretty much everything Higgins ever wrote is at that same elite level. The man was a machine of an author.

Digger's Game is probably my favorite book of his followed by Eddie Coyle and Cogan's Trade
 
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Yeah, people don't realize how huge Boston rats are. NYC has fat mice, we have big honking rats, the kind the cats think twice about going after.
We had them in providence too. I was moving an outdoor couch years ago and a rat came running out and up my arm. First, it was so heavy I really felt it. Second, the glimpse I got of it before it spring-boarded off my shoulder into a bush marked it as at least a foot long. I legit thought it was a possum until my buddy confirmed it was a rat (he had a better view and wasn't mid-heart attack).
 
Had one run just to the left of me at Gillette Stadium last week. It was big and thank god it was going fast so I didn't have to look at it.

I don't do rodents especially after dealing with mickey since I got home a few weeks ago.
 
We had them in providence too. I was moving an outdoor couch years ago and a rat came running out and up my arm. First, it was so heavy I really felt it. Second, the glimpse I got of it before it spring-boarded off my shoulder into a bush marked it as at least a foot long. I legit thought it was a possum until my buddy confirmed it was a rat (he had a better view and wasn't mid-heart attack).

We had them at Matthews Arena when I worked there. I went outside for a smoke one night, and I saw one dragging a dead cat down the alley. Whether the cat was already dead, or the rat killed the cat, is a mystery to this day.
 
Couple of little points out of this video - there's an ad during the show for Jurassic Park, reminding me of just how much I was looking forward to that film back in '93, and it did not disappoint. But gosh how far that franchise has fallen in the years since.

And Jay asks Kelsey Grammer "Kelsey you've got a show coming up right?" Grammer rather downplays it. Eleven years later Frasier signed off as one of the very greatest sitcoms of all time. Which back in 1993 probably seemed pretty unlikely. How rarely spin-offs work.
Leno after the show took the crew out for a lavish dinner at one of Boston's finest dining options

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NBC came very close to pulling the plug on the show and going to Letterman early.

 
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