The Curious Case of Mitch Marner discussion thread.

[Bluelines]

Because they haven't won a playoff series?!

A series means nothing, two rounds mean nothing, three rounds mean nothing. Actually it means the further you get the worse your seeding is for the draft and for poor teams gate revenue helps pay the bills.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Because they haven't won a playoff series?!

Colorado series wins through Mackinnon's first 5 seasons: 0

Guess they should have traded him.

 

[zeke]

Because they haven't won a playoff series?!

and MacKinnon has never been out of the 2nd round.

 

[IPS]

Colorado series wins through Mackinnon's first 5 seasons: 0

Guess they should have traded him.

Colorado is 3-2 in the 1st round in the postseason with Mackinnon.
No clue what you're even on about.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Colorado is 3-2 in the 1st round in the postseason with Mackinnon.
No clue what you're even on about.

Through Mackinnon's first 5 seasons in the league, Colorado won 0 playoff rounds. Should have traded him, apparently.

 

[IPS]

and MacKinnon has never been out of the 2nd round.

And I'm sure it was all his fault what with scoring PPG+ and all.

He should have just went and cried in the corner about running into hot goalies like Matthews and Marner did. .

 

[IPS]

Through Mackinnon's first 5 seasons in the league, Colorado won 0 playoff rounds. Should have traded him, apparently.

Yeah including rebuild years in a post where you're trying to measure playoff success looks like a real logical thing to do, keep at 'er pal

 

[zeke]

Through Mackinnon's first 5 seasons in the league, Colorado won 0 playoff rounds. Should have traded him, apparently.

0 playoffs rounds. huh.

at least now he's a 2nd round stud thanks to his genius cap GM who has given him the elite depth that our GM has screwed us out of.

 

[Gabriel426]

To me, Mack is like Ovie. If you tell me Mack will eventually win one like Ovie, that’s some truth in that.
Can’t say the same about the Leafs.
They are giving me vibe that there is always next year and if it weren’t for whatever reason, they would have done better…..instead of knowing we sucked this series and need to work better, smarter and harder.

 

[Bluelines]

I'm most interested to see if Marner's game evolves now with the new roster of more bigger physical players surrounding him and perhaps even flanking him if Nick Ritchie is his new linemate.

Brayden Point often a comparable used for Marner has scored 14 goals in back to back playoffs by playing hard and going into the danger areas and accepting the physical abuse it takes to be successful in the playoffs .. So its possible for smaller skilled player to excel in tight checking, hard hitting, physically imposing playoff style hockey.

I will be interested to see now that TB lost its 3rd "super" line and is not pulling a Kucherov IR in the regular season, superman in the playoffs move, if the team is as deep as some think.

A few years ago Cooper was on his last legs as coach of the TBL, media was piling on him, you could tell it was getting to him. Anyone can be a good coach when you got a deep team.

 

[hamzarocks]

0 playoffs rounds. huh.

at least now he's a 2nd round stud thanks to his genius cap GM who has given him the elite depth that our GM has screwed us out of.

Typical loser leaf fan/NHL fan mentality on display with this post

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah including rebuild years

So not only was Mackinnon not good enough to win his team a playoff round, he wasn't even good enough to get his team into the playoffs? Man, they really should have traded him then, eh? As we all know, it's downhill after age 23.

 

[IPS]

So not only was Mackinnon not good enough to win his team a playoff round, he wasn't even good enough to get his team into the playoffs? Man, they really should have traded him then, eh? As we all know, it's downhill after age 23.

Mackinnon is a player, not a GM.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

That's not really true. The conversion just hasn't been at the level you want it, against some of the best defensive teams in the league getting some of the best goaltending in the league, while playing with an injured Hyman in 2 of the 3 years.

Lol so what level are you looking at it that makes Marner an impactful playoff performer? No goals in 3 playoff rounds. No show in game clinching games. I get some people have lower expectations and are perfectly content with being the regular season champs, but you'd think that the $11M price tag would make even the most content of fans be able to call a spade a spade.

 

[myleafs]

We could get multiple pieces, but not ones that have the same impact as Marner, even cumulatively, unless we fluke into some player or future unexpectedly exploding in quality, which is not something you should rely on when making franchise-altering moves. If we were getting somebody of similar age and quality, then I'd be listening, but very, very few of those players exist in the league, and they aren't traded. This is why nobody who suggests this actually has a real proposal.

I don't think we want to send the message that we're incompetent and make the same old mistakes that destroyed this franchise for decades. It is about winning. That's why you keep one of the best young players in the world.

Well, you got the bolded part right. The rest not so much imo.

 

[Gabriel426]

So not only was Mackinnon not good enough to win his team a playoff round, he wasn't even good enough to get his team into the playoffs? Man, they really should have traded him then, eh? As we all know, it's downhill after age 23.

Avs did trade away Duchense and ROR and kept Mack and Landy. So they did traded away 2 of their core 4 forwards. Which if Leafs is to do that, Leafs would trade away Marner and Willie.

 

[mclaren55]

and MacKinnon has never been out of the 2nd round.

So now it’s the second round, instead of “winning a round”?
MacKinnon has performed in the playoffs consistently. Not sure how you are even drawing a comparison to our stars.

 

[mclaren55]

Avs did trade away Duchense and ROR and kept Mack and Landy. So they did trades away 2 of their core 4 forwards. Which if Leafs is to do that, Leafs would trade away Marner and Willie.

Shhhh, it doesn’t fit their narrative.

 

[myleafs]

On Ice Performance or a lapse in play does not equate to not working hard in the gym. Some of the hardest workers in pro sports are the players who SUCK. Those 3rd and 4th liners probably work harder than anyone in the league. Yet their productivity on the ice doesn't match up to the extra work they put in. There are so many factors that play apart into performance such as natural skill level, mental state and of course conditioning which is improved by the work you do off the ice and in the off-season. But natural skill plays a huge role probably 75%.

yea I'm not sure where the narrative came from that Marner doesn't work out hard. I believe he does work hard and he does want to succeed badly but so far he is showing to be the opposite of a pressure player. Some guys step up and thrive under pressure and some wilt. Marner is in the wilt category at the moment until he proves otherwise.

 

[Bomber0104]

Lol so what level are you looking at it that makes Marner an impactful playoff performer? No goals in 3 playoff rounds. No show in game clinching games. I get some people have lower expectations and are perfectly content with being the regular season champs, but you'd think that the $11M price tag would make even the most content of fans be able to call a spade a spade.

This is essentially what it comes down to.

I'll never understand why these people then decide to go onto the internet to try to convince OTHERS to lower their standards to their level.

99% of this fanbase is and rightfully should be disappointed with how this team has "performed".

 

[Gabriel426]

I will be interested to see now that TB lost its 3rd "super" line and is not pulling a Kucherov IR in the regular season, superman in the playoffs move, if the team is as deep as some think.

A few years ago Cooper was on his last legs as coach of the TBL, media was piling on him, you could tell it was getting to him. Anyone can be a good coach when you got a deep team.

As long as Vas plays at his current level, TB will still be TB. I can see they will not be a force in the regular season like None of Kuch or Point will be in the top 5 in scoring but comes playoffs they will turn on a switch and dominate. Kuch, Point, Hedman, Stamkos, Cirelli,McD and Vas are just too dominant.
Can’t wait to see a team to beat them in the playoffs though.

 

[Gary Nylund]

why are only leafs allowed to be criticised for not winning playoffs rounds?

LOL, strong persecution complex you have there.

Individual players shouldn't be criticized for lack of team success, judge everyone on their own merit. Nylander was great in the playoffs, Marner sucked, yet they're both Leafs. See how that works?

And the Leafs as a team sucked in the playoffs, yet again.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Mac also is a leader. Doesn’t allow junk food, pays for a nutritionalist, works his butt off and takes less money to build a team around him.

 

[myleafs]

Sure he's produced a lot and that = how many Stanley Cups? Now if someone said do what Kucherov does, I might agree. I know the tweet was tongue in cheek but MacKinnon while an incredible player who has achieved individual success but no team success, is in no different of a spot than our incredible player who has achieved individual success but no team success.

Except as someone posted Mackinnon and Marners playoff numbers are miles apart...yea I know Nate had a rough go against Vegas this year but he still put up 15 pts in 10 games with 8 goals. He is doing his part, Marner not so much.

 

[myleafs]

A series means nothing, two rounds mean nothing, three rounds mean nothing. Actually it means the further you get the worse your seeding is for the draft and for poor teams gate revenue helps pay the bills.

Ill take a 1st or 2nd or 3rd round win every day and twice on sundays. Winning rounds and going deeper signifies progress doesn't it?