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Stephen said:
I think you'll find the "Marner would be better with a supporting cast" angle to have little traction with a majority of Leafs fans because of the contract as you mentioned.

The positive with the Marner contract is he actually produces points at an elite rate (albeit only in the regular season for now) and is an age bracket where you'd reasonably expect more. From that perspective he's a better contract than John Tavares.
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like you have mentioned in the your other posts.... why does an 11 million dollar guy need another 11 million dollar guy to get going?

The only player whose stats do not decline significantly whether he plays with another 11 million dollar player or not is Matthews.

Marner has never produced the so called "elite" numbers playing without Matthews or JT. JT at least has a history of producing ppg numbers with plugs with the Isles.

Marner hasnt shown elite production without playing with elite players.
 
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PromisedLand said:
like you have mentioned in the your other posts.... why does an 11 million dollar guy need another 11 million dollar guy to get going?

The only player whose stats do not decline significantly whether he plays with another 11 million dollar player or not is Matthews.

Marner has never produced the so called "elite" numbers playing without Matthews or JT. JT at least has a history of producing ppg numbers with plugs with the Isles.

Marner hasnt shown elite production without playing with elite players.
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Yeah, very true, just saying that when it comes to offense we're likely to get more production out of Marner than Tavares going forward. But as I've also mentioned, paying 3x guys $11 million doesn't mean we have 3x Auston Matthews.
 
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Stephen said:
Yeah, very true, just saying that when it comes to offense we're likely to get more production out of Marner than Tavares going forward. But as I've also mentioned, paying 3x guys $11 million doesn't mean we have 3x Auston Matthews.
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I cringe every time I read 3 x 11. We’re the most top heavy team in the league. We get away with it during the season when you can play the stars heavy and then rest for 2-3 nights. Come playoffs when teams are playing shutdown roles and games are every 2nd night RIP
 
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PromisedLand said:
If it was a one off I'd see your point. He did it twice this playoffs not just once. And if you look at his career stats in the playoffs for penalties taken I mean seriously.... How much over handling of the puck is that? and if it is then.... why is this MORON not learning? He has repeated that more often than not

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Surely if 2020 was a 7-game series he'd have managed to chuck the puck over glass.
 
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Gallagbi said:
And the dots here lead you to think that he was so scared and panicked of contact in this instance that he decided to take the pass, go for a dump double check his time and space, rethink his dump up the boards and opt for a more time consuming flip instead.

All while hard contact isn't an option for either, but a quick dump (his initial instinct) avoids any and all physical contact.
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It still seems people are confusing Marners over the glass penalty with Nylanders. It’s the only explanation that makes sense.
 
ACC1224 said:
It still seems people are confusing Marners over the glass penalty with Nylanders. It’s the only explanation that makes sense.
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On that 1 particular brain cramp play by Marner that resulted in a needless penalty, but if people are being honest Mitch has a long standing reputation of trying to avoid contract wherever possible.

He spins and turns and stick checks instead of engages physically whenever possible and we have seen him give up on puck battles and pursuit when he knows he is going to need to take and hit to make a play, and plays on the perimeter and not in the high danger areas of the ice.

Marner is no Brayden Point and its why he struggles goal scoring in the playoffs.
 
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PromisedLand said:
like you have mentioned in the your other posts.... why does an 11 million dollar guy need another 11 million dollar guy to get going?

The only player whose stats do not decline significantly whether he plays with another 11 million dollar player or not is Matthews.

Marner has never produced the so called "elite" numbers playing without Matthews or JT. JT at least has a history of producing ppg numbers with plugs with the Isles.

Marner hasn't shown elite production without playing with elite players.
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That is very true. In fact if you look in the Hyman thread there are even some fans blaming $2.25 mil Hyman for not carrying 2 X $11 mil players in the playoffs and so he is expendable as a result for the lack of production of his linemates. Marner is being excused because Hyman didn't score more and that is the reason behind Mitch struggles.

However Marner is fully dependent of being an elite point producer only if other players put the puck in the net for him to drive his assist totals. Wonder if that is one of the reasons Keefe keeps Marner pinned to Matthews hip regardless how unproductive they are at times particularly in the playoffs in back to back years.

When JT went down in game #1, one has to wonder why Keefe in a 7 game series didn't play Matthews and Marner apart for even 1 single 5v5 shift in the entire series, and perhaps he knows exactly what you just stated. That Marner without Matthews is only going to produce less results and not more by breaking them up, and without JT available as an alternate option it wasn't even attempted because it likely would have exposed Mitch to even more criticism than his play already has.
 
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WOW some of you guys have spun you narrative so hard theres no way you could stand even begin to up . Marner needs to play with other 11 million dollar players to put up big numbers ? give your freaking head a shake .
2016/17
Marner plays with Bozak part year and 4th line Martin part year 61 points
Mathews plays with Nylander all year 69 points
Bozak has best year of his career
2017/18
same lines but Marner also plays with Kadri part year 69 points
Mathews -63 points
2018/2019
Marner plays with JT part year Kadri Part year and some 4th line again 94 points and 4th all time Leafs history single season assists , JT has best year of his career .
Mathew plays with Nylander-73 points
2019/2020
shortened bubble year Marner plays mostly with JT
Marner 67 points
Mathew same line -80 points
2020/2021
Marner plays with Mathews -67 points
Mathews has best season ever =66 points but 41 goals and wins Rocket
JT drops to 50 points .
You stoners think that proves other players make Marner better when those same players drop of when he moves to a different line ? STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE PLEASE .
 
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cannucky said:
WOW some of you guys have spun you narrative so hard theres no way you could stand even begin to up . Marner needs to play with other 11 million dollar players to put up big numbers ? give your freaking head a shake .
2016/17
Marner plays with Bozak part year and 4th line Martin part year 61 points
Mathews plays with Nylander all year 69 points
Bozak has best year of his career
2017/18
same lines but Marner also plays with Kadri part year 69 points
Mathews -63 points
2018/2019
Marner plays with JT part year Kadri Part year and some 4th line again 94 points and 4th all time Leafs history single season assists , JT has best year of his career .
Mathew plays with Nylander-73 points
2019/2020
shortened bubble year Marner plays mostly with JT
Marner 67 points
Mathew same line -80 points
2020/2021
Marner plays with Mathews -67 points
Mathews has best season ever =66 points but 41 goals and wins Rocket
JT drops to 50 points .
You stoners think that proves other players make Marner better when those same players drop of when he moves to a different line ? STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE PLEASE .
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Here is how most will reply to you: What about the playoffs?
 
I don’t think he needs another 11 million dollar player to produce. In fact, he’s the player on this roster who would bump up line mates scoring totals more than any other player on the roster, including the other spineless pretender, number 34.

But as alluded to above, so what? If he scores 200 it’s next season and then chokes in the playoffs again, who cadres about what he does for 82 games.

Same goes for the other gutless coward on his line and his rocket trophy(ies). They are well beyond proven in the regular season.
 
ACC1224 said:
Here's hoping this thread isn't as childish as the prior ones. I wouldn't bet on it though.
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He's the new whipping boy. Better to just ignore any thread related to him until the season starts. Remember, when a team is struggling it has to primarily put on one player, you can't blame the person who assembled it around here.
 
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cannucky said:
WOW some of you guys have spun you narrative so hard theres no way you could stand even begin to up . Marner needs to play with other 11 million dollar players to put up big numbers ? give your freaking head a shake .
2016/17
Marner plays with Bozak part year and 4th line Martin part year 61 points
Mathews plays with Nylander all year 69 points
Bozak has best year of his career
2017/18
same lines but Marner also plays with Kadri part year 69 points
Mathews -63 points
2018/2019
Marner plays with JT part year Kadri Part year and some 4th line again 94 points and 4th all time Leafs history single season assists , JT has best year of his career .
Mathew plays with Nylander-73 points
2019/2020
shortened bubble year Marner plays mostly with JT
Marner 67 points
Mathew same line -80 points
2020/2021
Marner plays with Mathews -67 points
Mathews has best season ever =66 points but 41 goals and wins Rocket
JT drops to 50 points .
You stoners think that proves other players make Marner better when those same players drop of when he moves to a different line ? STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE PLEASE .
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Playoffs? Who's saying he's not a good regular season player? Also, Matthews was injured quite often during his ELC, so he didn't lead the team in scoring some of those years.
 
PromisedLand said:
Ask and you shall receive (channeling my inner dubas. no questions asked you get what you want ;))

DAILY REMINDER

  • 11 AAV
  • 0 goals in last 18 playoff games
  • 0 PP goals in the entire regular season
  • Out competed by 5'9 Gallagher and rookies (suzuki, caufield)
  • refuses to take responsibility (I played well)
  • Two games in a row had back breaking plays (Game 6: puck over the glass giving habs 5 on 3 and game 7 when game was tied gave away the puck in the offensive zone and habs scored to take 1-0 lead and momentum)
  • 5 years in the league hasn't improved his shot or his physical attributes. Body of a 10 year kid and scared to take hits, go to corners
  • Money is everything to the marner family. Paul and Mitch whine, bitch and moan about money every chance they get.
  • Entitled brat that doesn't put the work in; takes significant portion of the cap and lays an egg in the playoffs
  • Was found partying/vacationing after the playoffs instead of in the gym working out or working on his shot
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I dont think there's ever been a leaf that I respect as little as Mitch Marner. These stats and facts are absolutely disgusting for a 11m/yr + endorsements.

The bolded statement reminds me of the time where someone had called out Mitch on being the spokesman for intact insurance on Twitter, the guy basically said something like "no one enjoys being apart/creating insurance commercials more then Mitch Marner" it was something very harmless and very true anyway within the hour the guy had been blocked from MM Twitter account lol. For someone who claims he doesn't pay much attention to social media, that was some quick investigating and blocking skills he's got there. He totally deserved it too, heading into the city on the 401/QEW/Gardner there are many ads that have Marner as the face. If there is anyone on the team I wanna see less of it's him and yet he's everywhere.

Please, can Dubas find a way to get rid of him without getting completely screwed? It would truly be a wonderful birthday gift. There are many playmakers out there that can set up Matthews and not crap the bed in the playoffs when it comes to protecting yourself, your teammates and the lead on the scoreboard.

Hoping we see a bit of a difference next year whether it be the roster or the damn work ethic these pretenders put in AFTER the regular season.
 
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Mess said:
On that 1 particular brain cramp play by Marner that resulted in a needless penalty, but if people are being honest Mitch has a long standing reputation of trying to avoid contract wherever possible.

He spins and turns and stick checks instead of engages physically whenever possible and we have seen him give up on puck battles and pursuit when he knows he is going to need to take and hit to make a play, and plays on the perimeter and not in the high danger areas of the ice.

Marner is no Brayden Point and its why he struggles goal scoring in the playoffs.
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Agreed.

You don't need to be Milan Lucic out there, but you can't be so averse to physical contact that when a puck goes into the corner, you actively avoid being the first one to it, and then just lazily one-handed try to poke the puck free from whoever on the other team goes to get the puck before you.
 
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PromisedLand said:
If it was a one off I'd see your point. He did it twice this playoffs not just once. And if you look at his career stats in the playoffs for penalties taken I mean seriously.... How much over handling of the puck is that? and if it is then.... why is this MORON not learning? He has repeated that more often than not

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Looks like coward to me
 
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Racer88 said:
Yes but I believe that was in his first couple of seasons.
For gods sake he has scored even a single goal in the last 18;playoff games.
Once the big contract was signed Marner has disappeared in the playoffs
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You think he hasn’t scored because of his contract? :confused:
 
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cannucky said:
WOW some of you guys have spun you narrative so hard theres no way you could stand even begin to up . Marner needs to play with other 11 million dollar players to put up big numbers ? give your freaking head a shake .
2016/17
Marner plays with Bozak part year and 4th line Martin part year 61 points
Mathews plays with Nylander all year 69 points
Bozak has best year of his career
2017/18
same lines but Marner also plays with Kadri part year 69 points
Mathews -63 points
2018/2019
Marner plays with JT part year Kadri Part year and some 4th line again 94 points and 4th all time Leafs history single season assists , JT has best year of his career .
Mathew plays with Nylander-73 points
2019/2020
shortened bubble year Marner plays mostly with JT
Marner 67 points
Mathew same line -80 points
2020/2021
Marner plays with Mathews -67 points
Mathews has best season ever =66 points but 41 goals and wins Rocket
JT drops to 50 points .
You stoners think that proves other players make Marner better when those same players drop of when he moves to a different line ? STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE PLEASE .
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basically what you have shown is that marner cannot perform without elite players while elite players perform quite well without marner

marner was also used in a sheltered role with bozak; while matthews line faced most of the hard competition. Matthews line also gets the toughest D and checking lines to stop him.

marner is freakin' garbage doesnt have the history of producing ELITE numbers without elite players. Matthews scored 40 goals in is his rookie season without marner FYI

and of course what really matters!!! playoff performance. Leafs fan should be asking about the cup not the regular season heroics. Ask Jumbo and Marleau how they feel about being regular season heros and about to go into the sunset; heck ask Sundin or Alfredson too (at least these guys bust their ass in the playoffs compared this worm called marner)
 
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