The Curious Case of Mitch Marner discussion thread.

[Semantics]

Wrong.
He’s Scared.
Period.

Scared doesn't explain the unscreened muffins on the PP from the guy with zero PP goals all year, or the pucks over the glass. There were way worse problems than being scared, namely awful decision making.

 

[PromisedLand]

Paint the colour of the puck gold, then it'll look like a giant gold coin...

I am afraid marner's new delay of game would be puck in pocket instead of puck over the glass and 10 times more

 

[saffronleaf]

Scared doesn't explain the unscreened muffins on the PP from the guy with zero PP goals all year, or the pucks over the glass. There were way worse problems than being scared, namely awful decision making.

I think Marner has two key problems: Body and Mind. Body is weak, undeveloped, sad, and pathetic. Mind is equally weak, sad, pathetic, probably underdeveloped, too.

Sadly there's not much else beyond body and mind. Just a failure inside out, top to bottom.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Every deep run in the playoffs shares this in common. Star players buy in to a team concept and take on a lot of role players responsibilities, and the role players step up and provide an offensive lift for star players. At some point it doesn’t matter if Auston Matthews blocks the shot and Adam Brooks is the OT hero. Everybody looks the same and plays the same game. It’s ugly. But it’s beautiful.

I agree whole heartedly...but the problem seems to be we have a 2 class system at work on our team. The haves want the have-nots to kick in some goals and the have-nots are thinking "That's why you get all the money and we don't"

 

[saffronleaf]

I miss @PromisedLand's daily reminders!

 

[PromisedLand]

I miss @PromisedLand's daily reminders!

Ask and you shall receive (channeling my inner dubas. no questions asked you get what you want )

DAILY REMINDER

• 11 AAV
• 0 goals in last 18 playoff games
• 0 PP goals in the entire regular season
• Out competed by 5'9 Gallagher and rookies (suzuki, caufield)
• refuses to take responsibility (I played well)
  
• Two games in a row had back breaking plays (Game 6: puck over the glass giving habs 5 on 3 and game 7 when game was tied gave away the puck in the offensive zone and habs scored to take 1-0 lead and momentum)
• 5 years in the league hasn't improved his shot or his physical attributes. Body of a 10 year kid and scared to take hits, go to corners
• Money is everything to the marner family. Paul and Mitch whine, bitch and moan about money every chance they get.
• Entitled brat that doesn't put the work in; takes significant portion of the cap and lays an egg in the playoffs
• Was found partying/vacationing after the playoffs instead of in the gym working out or working on his shot

 

[Stonehands1990]

Scared doesn't explain the unscreened muffins on the PP from the guy with zero PP goals all year, or the pucks over the glass. There were way worse problems than being scared, namely awful decision making.

Pucks over glass = scared

 

[showtime8]

Not to absolve any blame from Marner, but how much better would his play be if the Leafs had a 3rd line like the Lightning did?

I know that he's asked to put up points and I definitely get that.

But the way Goodrow, Gourde & Coleman played the entire playoffs, they turned games around with energy shifts.

Trying to look at it positively here. And I know his salary is going to get brought up, which doesn't allow for the guys to play in the bottom 6....

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Pucks over glass = scared

So when Shanny keeps blabbing about how tough we are, he totally misses the point that this team can easily be scared into making a rushed play. That's why you hit...so the next time the guy reacts a touch faster than he normally would and makes a mistake. It's definitely not to injure the guy..it's to make him think 2x next time your heading towards him.

 

[Gallagbi]

So when Shanny keeps blabbing about how tough we are, he totally misses the point that this team can easily be scared into making a rushed play. That's why you hit...so the next time the guy reacts a touch faster than he normally would and makes a mistake. It's definitely not to injure the guy..it's to make him think 2x next time your heading towards him.

Pucks over glass = scared

He over handled the puck over the glass vs. Montreal. If he was scared and panicked, he would have underhanded or rushed a play.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He over handled the puck over the glass vs. Montreal. If he was scared and panicked, he would have underhanded or rushed a play.

He was amped up from everything...he panicked on a simple play because he wasn't thinking calmly IMO.

 

[Gallagbi]

He was amped up from everything...he panicked on a simple play because he wasn't thinking calmly IMO.

Maybe, but that's not panicking with the puck because he's scared.

 

[Stephen]

Not to absolve any blame from Marner, but how much better would his play be if the Leafs had a 3rd line like the Lightning did?

I know that he's asked to put up points and I definitely get that.

But the way Goodrow, Gourde & Coleman played the entire playoffs, they turned games around with energy shifts.

Trying to look at it positively here. And I know his salary is going to get brought up, which doesn't allow for the guys to play in the bottom 6....

I think you'll find the "Marner would be better with a supporting cast" angle to have little traction with a majority of Leafs fans because of the contract as you mentioned.

The positive with the Marner contract is he actually produces points at an elite rate (albeit only in the regular season for now) and is an age bracket where you'd reasonably expect more. From that perspective he's a better contract than John Tavares.

 

[67leafs]

He’s simply not a playoff performer.

 

[Kiwi]

Not to absolve any blame from Marner, but how much better would his play be if the Leafs had a 3rd line like the Lightning did?

I know that he's asked to put up points and I definitely get that.

But the way Goodrow, Gourde & Coleman played the entire playoffs, they turned games around with energy shifts.

Trying to look at it positively here. And I know his salary is going to get brought up, which doesn't allow for the guys to play in the bottom 6....

The thing is Point and Kucherov still lead the way for that team, the 3rd line and depth are nice but there stars played like stars

Our 11M players should be dragging the other guys into the fight, not the other way round and our depth in Kerfoot and Spezza weren't no shows either

Unlike Matthews, Marner and Hyman

 

[Stonehands1990]

He over handled the puck over the glass vs. Montreal. If he was scared and panicked, he would have underhanded or rushed a play.

Might want to rewatch the series. And the CBJ one as well

 

[Gallagbi]

Might want to rewatch the series. And the CBJ one as well

I'm specifically talking about that over the glass penalty.

I felt he was awful vs. CBJ and not great vs MTL (although better than my memory as I rewatch it)

But saying he panicked and threw the puck over the glass in game 6 because he was scared of contact is just a lazy inaccurate comment. You could argue he heard footsteps at times, like that Game 7 bail-out along the boards, but the over the glass penalty wouldn't be "proof" when you actually watch it

 

[Stonehands1990]

I'm specifically talking about that over the glass penalty.

I felt he was awful vs. CBJ and not great vs MTL (although better than my memory as I rewatch it)

But saying he panicked and threw the puck over the glass in game 6 because he was scared of contact is just a lazy inaccurate comment. You could argue he heard footsteps at times, like that Game 7 bail-out along the boards, but the over the glass penalty wouldn't be "proof" when you actually watch it

I get what you’re saying but when a player takes multiple over the glass penalties (I believe he’s had one every playoffs except one) and is clearly scared to get hit in corners it’s easy to connect the dots.

 

[ACC1224]

He over handled the puck over the glass vs. Montreal. If he was scared and panicked, he would have underhanded or rushed a play.

Sometimes I think only you and I watched the games.

 

[Gallagbi]

I get what you’re saying but when a player takes multiple over the glass penalties (I believe he’s had one every playoffs except one) and is clearly scared to get hit in corners it’s easy to connect the dots.

And the dots here lead you to think that he was so scared and panicked of contact in this instance that he decided to take the pass, go for a dump double check his time and space, rethink his dump up the boards and opt for a more time consuming flip instead.

All while hard contact isn't an option for either, but a quick dump (his initial instinct) avoids any and all physical contact.

 

[Maple Leaf]

He should be playing like Pavel Datsyuk instead of Matt stajan

11 m

 

[showtime8]

The thing is Point and Kucherov still lead the way for that team, the 3rd line and depth are nice but there stars played like stars

Our 11M players should be dragging the other guys into the fight, not the other way round and our depth in Kerfoot and Spezza weren't no shows either

Unlike Matthews, Marner and Hyman

Yeah, I agree that the big guys still have to produce. Kucherov put up back to back postseasons with 30+ points. 3rd time ever that a player has put up 30 points in consecutive playoffs.

It's definitely hard to see that Marner would ever be like that kind of player at this point in his career. But maybe he's a Henrik Sedin type player? No shows for a while in the playoffs, gets the soft/regular season tag put on him & then all of a sudden turns the corner.

Yeah, the depth players definitely weren't the issue for the Leafs, but they didn't help significantly either. And you named 2 of the depth players that were actually factors. The rest including Simmonds, Thornton, Foligno, Engvall & Galchenyuk could have added more than what they brought to the table.

 

[Its not your fault]

Unless he did that last year it ain’t happening this year…….he already told the world he wasn’t going to do anything different to prepare for next year.
Unfortunately I think, what you see is what you get

I would be going for M. Tkachuk for him and see what else you could box into that.

 

[Its not your fault]

You must have missed marners press conference where he said he played amazing and has nothing to work on

He would be shopped for M. Tkachuk.

 

[PromisedLand]

He over handled the puck over the glass vs. Montreal. If he was scared and panicked, he would have underhanded or rushed a play.

If it was a one off I'd see your point. He did it twice this playoffs not just once. And if you look at his career stats in the playoffs for penalties taken I mean seriously.... How much over handling of the puck is that? and if it is then.... why is this MORON not learning? He has repeated that more often than not