Speculation: The coaching search continues

[Pierre from Orleans]

Is this confirmed

 

[LevelingSolo]

I mean, the fans desperately wanted Boudreau over Boucher, Boudreau went to the wild and did sweet f all, then to Vancouver and nothing there too, meanwhile we went to the ECF with Boucher, and he's apparently one of our coaching failures.

Wouldn't say that

Boudreau went 158-100 (two really good regular seasons)

Boucher had one good year and then completely flamed out

 

[L'Aveuglette]

No? Hamilton played a third of the games Ruff coached,

Basically did the same as Ruff was doing at the time of his firing, Ruff's last 21 games was 8-12-1, Greene was 8-12-1.

Vancouver was a rebuilding team, Greene saw the typical progression you'd expect in the first three seasons, and in year 4 they had a long term injury to their top player in a shortened season, and Korpisalo level goaltending from their big UFA signing Holtby.

Fans really aren't great judges of coaches, I'm old enough to remember fans complaining about and being thrilled when Martin was gone, I remember Maurice being criticized as the leafs HC, and many more. Coaches are scapegoats, its normal for fans to blame them. I'd be far more interested in hearing what former players have to say about him,

So as fans we're not supposed to judge a coach by the results on the ice?

Honestly Staios has sucked. He shouldn't be GM

Let's just say I'm very worried about his next moves.

 

[Micklebot]

Is this confirmed

Pretty much, Dreger tweeted

 

[Flamingo]

The Sens would have hired Boudreau if Minnesota didn’t offer him a better deal.

I thought he was determined to land in Ottawa because his daughter and granddaughter lived here. Ottawa pulled the trigger on Boucher, and he fell back on the Minny offer.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Sure, maybe. Would it have been a good hire though? Did he do better in Min than Boucher did here?

Boudreau had near 50 wins in two of his seasons with Minnesota. Did he do better I don’t know. But boudreau is a very good coach.

 

[scout20]

I did not realize Travis Green was a "best in class" coach!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I thought he was determined to land in Ottawa because his daughter and granddaughter lived here. Ottawa pulled the trigger on Boucher, and he fell back on the Minny offer.

Nah Minny offered him a 3rd year (meaning more money), he even said it in an interview.

 

[Relapsing]

That is literally the worst choice out of the 4 or 5 candidates I had heard about the Sens looking at. What has he done to suggest he can take over the reigns on a young team like ours and get them to the playoffs????

I'm baffled.

I'm beginning to think the bolded is not the priority of this management group right now.

Which sounds wacky to say as a fan of the team after all the utter suffering we've been through.

BUT... if they don't believe in the makeup of this team, and do believe it will take multiple seasons to undo what has already been done... then playoffs wouldn't (and probably shouldn't if that's the case) be their priority. It would be to stay in the basement as long as possible, sell off players to recoup assets, and find some semblance of a fresh start.

Now, do I think any of that is the correct course of action? Not really. Do I think we've been sold a false bill of goods? Largely. Maybe it was our own wishful thinking that Best In Class meant moves to immediately improve the team, but perhaps our definitions were not the same as ownership, and certainly ownership hasn't done much to dissuade any fans that our definitions differ.

Either way, for long standings fans of this team, it was easy to hope that new ownership meant being back in the promised land was a sooner, rather than later, goal. As it's currently looking, that might be a long ways off.

Let's just say I'm very worried about his next moves.

If they announce Greene on Wednesday, I'm honestly terrified: To me it signals that we're in for much tougher times ahead. Good timing to largely step away for the summer and focus on other stuff.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

I did not realize Travis Green was a "best in class" coach!

I just hope it wasn’t a budget hire and it’s someone they sincerely preferred over the other candidates.

 

[Micklebot]

So as fans we're not supposed to judge a coach by the results on the ice?
.

I think you get a pretty incomplete picture as a fan, it's one thing if he took over a powerhouse running on all cylinders and tanked it, but that's not what happened.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Many sports owners are successful businessmen lol. In fact most of them are. Doesn’t mean they know how to run a hockey team or how to win hockey games

You are sooooo close to getting it.

Yes, he knew he didn't have any experience so he decided to not immediately fire the GM who did have the experience.

 

[LevelingSolo]

I thought he was determined to land in Ottawa because his daughter and granddaughter lived here. Ottawa pulled the trigger on Boucher, and he fell back on the Minny offer.

Word was that Boudreau wanted Ottawa but Melnyk and co wouldn't offer the same term and $$ as Minny

So they fell back on the much cheaper Guy Boucher

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Is this confirmed

No but both Friedman and Dredger have indicated that it basically is a done deal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I thought he was determined to land in Ottawa because his daughter and granddaughter lived here. Ottawa pulled the trigger on Boucher, and he fell back on the Minny offer.

He got more term in Minny.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I did not realize Travis Green was a "best in class" coach!

He's bottom of the barrel as far as experienced coaches go.

We all wanted someone with real NHL experience after all these rookie-ass coaches we've had since Bryan Murray, but I'm pretty sure this meant "winning" experience.

 

[Micklebot]

Boudreau had near 50 wins in two of his seasons with Minnesota. Did he do better I don’t know. But boudreau is a very good coach.

He never hit 50 wins with the wild, he did lose in the first round twice though...

 

[LevelingSolo]

Even the Sens Chirp groupies don't like this hire

Now that tells you something

 

[OttawaSenators11]

New ownership and we are still the laughing stock of the NHL! Everyone is bashing this hire absolutely nothing positive being said about Green that I could find at this point ..

 

[PlayOn]

I'm beginning to think the bolded is not the priority of this management group right now.

Which sounds wacky to say as a fan of the team after all the utter suffering we've been through.

BUT... if they don't believe in the makeup of this team, and do believe it will take multiple seasons to undo what has already been done... then playoffs wouldn't (and probably shouldn't if that's the case) be their priority. It would be to stay in the basement as long as possible, sell off players to recoup assets, and find some semblance of a fresh start.

Now, do I think any of that is the correct course of action? Not really. Do I think we've been sold a false bill of goods? Largely. Maybe it was our own wishful thinking that Best In Class meant moves to immediately improve the team, but perhaps our definitions were not the same as ownership, and certainly ownership hasn't done much to dissuade any fans that our definitions differ.

Either way, for long standings fans of this team, it was easy to hope that new ownership meant being back in the promised land was a sooner, rather than later, goal. As it's currently looking, that might be a long ways off.


If they announce Greene on Wednesday, I'm honestly terrified: To me it signals that we're in for much tougher times ahead. Good timing to largely step away for the summer and focus on other stuff.

I just don’t see this.

I don’t know if they expect us to make the playoffs next year but I can’t imagine they’re not at least trying their best. Andlauer spent a lot of money on this franchise, the fans are frustrated, the players are frustrated… I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t make playoffs a priority even if they’re secretly not big fans of the core.

 

[flyingfingers]

He never hit 50 wins with the wild, he did lose in the first round twice though...

Boudreau with the Wild: 158-110-35
Boucher with the Sens: 94-108-26

You gotta give a lot of points to Boucher for that ECF run, whereas Boudreau never got out of the first. But how many demerits does he get for the locker room completely imploding under his watch which kicked off the years of misery this fanbase has endured?

So was Boucher really a better hire? What could prime Karlsson, Stone, etc have done under Boudreau? We'll never know.

If playoff wins are the tiebreaker for coaching quality, why should anyone be excited about Green over any of the other candidates?

 

[OttawaSenators11]

I just don’t see this.

I don’t know if they expect us to make the playoffs next year but I can’t imagine they’re not at least trying their best. Andlauer spent a lot of money on this franchise, the fans are frustrated, the players are frustrated… I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t make playoffs a priority even if they’re secretly not big fans of the core.

We’ll know pretty soon just how serious they are with regards to what they do with Korpisalo if they keep him they obviously aren’t trying much.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You are sooooo close to getting it.

Yes, he knew he didn't have any experience so he decided to not immediately fire the GM who did have the experience.

GM in question Pierre Dorion.

What exactly was learned from Dorion in the short time they were together? Except that oh shit we actually NEED to fire him

Keeping DJ was the problem. He would have been the first change

 

[Emerica]

The Devils had a few months free trial and said nahhh we’re good but somehow we think he’s the the guy.

Uninspiring hiring to say the least but i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt i guess.

 

[Ouroboros]

Deeply disappointing hire. If the previous regime had done this it would be interpreted as a budget choice, and I guess we don't even know that it wasn't. It sure looks like a case of bristling at the ~5M dollar price tags of Berube, McLellan, etc. and falling back on a guy that might make, what, 1.5M tops?

I was hoping that this would be a hire that 'takes the coach out of the equation' so to speak. A guy that has a history of getting results, so that if the team stinks again in 24/25 we know without a shadow of a doubt that it's on the players. We won't know that now. Travis Green has never really gotten any results.

Seems not so good to me. I guess we'll see.