The bright side

[KingsFan7824]

These contracts are about timing. Quick signed his deal after 2012, which was a career year, and his previous deal still had a year to go. Brown signed after 2013, and while his playoffs weren't great, he did still have the 18 goals in 48 games, and the team went to the 3rd round. Doughty signed when he was young, before they ever won. Even Gaborik signed after the playoff of a lifetime. Kopitar now needs a deal after the team missed the playoffs, and he had a career worst season.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

As usual, like every damn season, the six-figure players will be blamed. This team lives and dies by Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. They have not played well at all. Period. This team will go nowhere very quickly with Kopitar and Carter being invisible, Doughty playing average, and Quick letting in every shot.

This!!! Agree 100%. All of the big money players have yet to earn their paycheck. Yes, we needed more contributions from the bottom six than we got last year, but this team will go nowhere with those top guys not contributing

 

[deeshamrock]

These contracts are about timing. Quick signed his deal after 2012, which was a career year, and his previous deal still had a year to go. Brown signed after 2013, and while his playoffs weren't great, he did still have the 18 goals in 48 games, and the team went to the 3rd round. Doughty signed when he was young, before they ever won. Even Gaborik signed after the playoff of a lifetime. Kopitar now needs a deal after the team missed the playoffs, and he had a career worst season.

Contracts are based on the players value and stats are a part of that, the other part is comparable current contracts of the same position and status.
Kopitar's new contract won't be based on last years stats, rather his career stats which are solid , his elite status as a stud defensive forward, and winning 2 cups. He's a team leader as well, all of that figures into the new deal, which most likely is the last LTC, so he'll want his home run contract.
And that is what most likely his agent is using , with Toewes as the center most like him in style and status and has the current contract.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Because if you're dangling Miller, Jones and the #13 pick overall, he could have done a lot better that Lucic.

If you're giving up that much, then instead of calling Boston to get a player DL had coveted for years, he could have gotten a 3rd line center, that won't be a rental, and would have given them a better depth, provide an offensive touch with an experienced player who cold move up if Kopi or Carter got hurt.

Center depth is a critical for a team hoping to battle for playoff position in the RS and go on a deep run post season. They don't have enough to go deep and get past teams, not with Lewis/Shore.

Well, you're talking about one of the best power forwards in Lucic. Besides, it was pretty evident that Lombardi's had quite a man-crush on Lucic. Yeah, we gave up a lot for a potential FA, but none of the players/pick we gave up, would have made much impact on this team this year anyways.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Because if you're dangling Miller, Jones and the #13 pick overall, he could have done a lot better that Lucic.

If you're giving up that much, then instead of calling Boston to get a player DL had coveted for years, he could have gotten a 3rd line center, that won't be a rental, and would have given them a better depth, provide an offensive touch with an experienced player who cold move up if Kopi or Carter got hurt.

Center depth is a critical for a team hoping to battle for playoff position in the RS and go on a deep run post season. They don't have enough to go deep and get past teams, not with Lewis/Shore.

Could is different than should. Maybe he couldn't get something else. Part of the Lucic deal was having Boston retain salary for the 1 year left on his deal.

Is Miller, Jones, and the 13th pick all that impressive? Miller hadn't played a game yet. Jones was never going to be more than a backup on the Kings, and was a RFA needing to be signed by a team near the cap. The 13th pick may or may not be an NHL player.

What 3rd line center, with experience, that isn't a rental, and that could maybe fill in for 11/77 if need be, is available for $3 million?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Contracts are based on the players value and stats are a part of that, the other part is comparable current contracts of the same position and status.
Kopitar's new contract won't be based on last years stats, rather his career stats which are solid , his elite status as a stud defensive forward, and winning 2 cups. He's a team leader as well, all of that figures into the new deal, which most likely is the last LTC, so he'll want his home run contract.
And that is what most likely his agent is using , with Toewes as the center most like him in style and status and has the current contract.

I'm just saying it's a lot easier to give a guy a huge contract when he and the team didn't have a down year. If he puts up better numbers as this season progresses, it won't feel like the Kings are paying for a player not as good as he was.

Whatever he does or doesn't do this year, I'd be surprised if he didn't get the contract from the Kings.

 

[deeshamrock]

Well, you're talking about one of the best power forwards in Lucic. Besides, it was pretty evident that Lombardi's had quite a man-crush on Lucic. Yeah, we gave up a lot for a potential FA, but none of the players/pick we gave up, would have made much impact on this team this year anyways.

It's not about Jones and Miller making an impact on the team this year. Jones wasn't signing, good for him, he's not a backup and he wanted his shot as a started, he'll have a bright future there. Colin Miller is a very good young defenseman that like all young d's, needs time to round out his game but he's talented and should have a good career.
And giving them up, esp Jones, who was heaviliy sought after, he could have done better that overpaying Boston to get Lucic.

Lucic isn't one of the best power forwards anymore, aside from being one of the dirtiest players in the league, he doesn't give them an edge or provide .the 'missing 'piece that was needed. DL got him because he's always wanted him, heart over head decision.

Power forward who plays with an edge? the Kings are already paying one 5.8M per on the 3rd line. Brown could have been given his old spot back, with the center he's played with most of his career and had his best success with, which happens when you get regular shifts with a top end finisher.
DL didn't need to let the Bruins rob him on that trade...he could have made a better decision .
And should have drafted a much needed 18 yr old center at #13, who could develop over the next 4 years so when Kopi hits 32 and Carter 35, there would be a top center ready to step in. They have no elite center prospect in the pipeline and most likely won't get as high as #13 in a deep draft year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

2 games and DL was already robbed

What else could we have gotten for that package, you think?

Lucic is obviously a gamble after last year's down year for him, but if on, that trade would look like a win-win. Jones will be a solid starter like we all thought he would be, Colin Miller and the other pick are still a mystery box. Grass is always greener.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

2 games? I thought Lombardi was robbed the day the trade was made. I HATED that trade

 

[Reclamation Project]

2 games? Please. When it was announced many hated it.

^ LOL!

 

[deeshamrock]

2 games and DL was already robbed

What else could we have gotten for that package, you think?

Lucic is obviously a gamble after last year's down year for him, but if on, that trade would look like a win-win. Jones will be a solid starter like we all thought he would be, Colin Miller and the other pick are still a mystery box. Grass is always greener.

I wouldn't have traded for Lucic, who I have seen far too many games , given east coast and the amount of games I watch. You only see him as a power forward, I don't . I see a dirty player, a coward (as in the handshake incident and other times where he over aggressively launches himself at someone's unsuspecting back or uses his knee to take out a player. He hurts players and enjoys it)

Trading jones - had to ne done as stated, but didn't have to go to Boston, that was part of Boston' s buy low sell high plan, getting a 1sr rounder for him. jones and Talbot were the 2 top goalies being sought.
Miller- could have filled out with the Monarchs another year, he's a good young player.

Look, I wouldn't have traded for Lucic at all. I would have used the #13 to get a center, which they need , none in the pipeline and Kopi and Carter at 28 and 31 (soon to be) they needed to do that. It was a deep draft and there were some good centers , skilled players, that would have filled that need. I am not the trading the future for a quick fix type. I've lived thru that nightmare for years here in Philly and it will be years before they correct the damage done.

DL overpaid to get Lucic, because it's a player he's always coveted. it had more to do with that than anything. I don't think he ever considered eyeing the 3rd line center hole at all. Lucic was the shiny toy in the store window that was finally on sale. He won't benefit the team, IMO, because that big playe r/heavy game scenario is dying out. The league is evolving into a speed and skill league and he's neither. And he's a trouble maker, takes bad penalties, creates enemies due to questionable hits and conduct.
And he's a rental, which I don't agree with.

 

[Sleepy]

You guys are awesome. When you're winning, you post awesome dance-off threads. When you're losing, you've got hilarious clowns and dumpster-fire gifs.

Kings board is cool.


Edit: And now I go back to my Sharks cave. I try to only show up in October because every month after December brings nothing but pain and agony.

 

[Omni Owl]

I would've much rather seen the Lucic money go to a viable 3C as well, someone like Soderberg (probably too expensive) or Vermette (proven veteran with a Cup win under his belt). I'm still not a fan of the Lucic trade, 2 games in or not.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Lucic isn't one of the best power forwards anymore, aside from being one of the dirtiest players in the league, he doesn't give them an edge or provide .the 'missing 'piece that was needed. DL got him because he's always wanted him, heart over head decision.

We'll have to ATD because to me, Lucic is still one of the best power forwards. Heck, the guy scored 2 more goals than Kopi lasty year, playing with a bad wrist. Clearly he isn't your type of player, but he's Lombardi's type of player, and certainly, my type of player.

 

[Fishhead]

I would've much rather seen the Lucic money go to a viable 3C as well, someone like Soderberg (probably too expensive) or Vermette (proven veteran with a Cup win under his belt). I'm still not a fan of the Lucic trade, 2 games in or not.

I think that was the thing. The only reason we got Lucic was because of the retention. If a team had a solid 3rd line center for 3.25M, why would they trade him? Teams like that are in win now mode, not rebuilding.

I think DL wanted to bring in more offense, and there wasn't much out there they could get at their price point. Looking back, Williams could have been retained for the same salary, but the team had absolutely no idea what was going to happen with the Voynov and Richards sagas. The cap issues were going to be a problem next season, not this one. Lucic was affordable and only had 1 year left.

A case could be made that the Kings should have promoted from within and rode out the year. If DL had his mind set on a trade, he was incredibly lucky that Boston blew things up seemingly out of nowhere because there wasn't anyone decent that he could afford.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Look, I wouldn't have traded for Lucic at all. I would have used the #13 to get a center, which they need , none in the pipeline and Kopi and Carter at 28 and 31 (soon to be) they needed to do that.

And by the time your draft pick would have an impact on the kings, our SC window would have already closed. We're all about winning NOW!

 

[theMajor]

You guys are awesome. When you're winning, you post awesome dance-off threads. When you're losing, you've got hilarious clowns and dumpster-fire gifs.

Kings board is cool.


Edit: And now I go back to my Sharks cave. I try to only show up in October because every month after December brings nothing but pain and agony.

its a tired cycle man. I feel like everyone forgets the Kings suck for stretches of every season and expects the team to go 82-0

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

We'll have to ATD because to me, Lucic is still one of the best power forwards. Heck, the guy scored 2 more goals than Kopi lasty year, playing with a bad wrist. Clearly he isn't your type of player, but he's Lombardi's type of player, and certainly, my type of player.

Kopi's goal scoring was garbage last year

 

[HYORI 1963]

Kopi's goal scoring was garbage last year

Like I said, even with a bad wrist, Lucic outscored a healthy Kopi.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Like I said, even with a bad wrist, Lucic outscored a healthy Kopi.

So did Mark Arcobello (who was passed around the league like a cheap hooker), and about 130 other guys. Scoring above Kopitar and his 16 goals isn't some impressive stat. Lots of people didn't want Williams back, and he scored more goals than Kopi (the same as Lucic) while playing most of the season with Stoll (the black hole of offense)

 

[onlyalad]

It will get better.
It has to get better.
Being a lovable loser was ok
Being hated and winning was better.
It is no fun being hated and losing.

 

[Ron*]

You guys are awesome. When you're winning, you post awesome dance-off threads. When you're losing, you've got hilarious clowns and dumpster-fire gifs.

Kings board is cool.


Edit: And now I go back to my Sharks cave. I try to only show up in October because every month after December brings nothing but pain and agony.

Pretty much this. This team board is the epitome of the knee-jerk reaction.

 

[HYORI 1963]

So did Mark Arcobello (who was passed around the league like a cheap hooker), and about 130 other guys. Scoring above Kopitar and his 16 goals isn't some impressive stat. Lots of people didn't want Williams back, and he scored more goals than Kopi (the same as Lucic) while playing most of the season with Stoll (the black hole of offense)

So, out of those 130 guys, who is a better power forward than Lucic?

 

[scryan]

its a tired cycle man. I feel like everyone forgets the kings suck for stretches of every season and expects the team to go 82-0

*80-2

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

You guys are awesome. When you're winning, you post awesome dance-off threads. When you're losing, you've got hilarious clowns and dumpster-fire gifs.

Kings board is cool.


Edit: And now I go back to my Sharks cave. I try to only show up in October because every month after December brings nothing but pain and agony.

Thanks, sworn enemy. I take an odd pride in the quirky personality of our board. I know some boards who respond to fans of rival teams who post "Hey there! I come in peace, you totally should have won" with "Get tossed! Go find a tall spike, sit on it and spin!" Hey, they are passionate. But while we have our moments, imo the Kings board overall is a pretty chill, Southern Californian place to be, dancing gifts and dumpster fires and half goofy/half dry sense of humor. Hey, it's five o'clock somewhere.

It will get better.
It has to get better.
Being a lovable loser was ok
Being hated and winning was better.
It is no fun being hated and losing.

I hear you.


I agree with Dee. We should have gotten a lot more for our first, Jones, and Colin Miller. The value of the players to us (in an assets sense) was not as important as the perceived value to a team that needed a puck-moving defenseman (and had seen a LOT of Manchester games) and a team that badly needed better goaltending. We should have held on to that #13 pick, or better yet, traded up for a higher pick, as I think was the Kings' original plan. The 2015 pick was especially important considering we gave away our first-round picks in 2011, 2013, and 2016. We have good depth, but we need near-elite players of the future to build around. Grinding is our system, but our top goal-scorers like Gaborik, Carter and Toffoli are snipers, not power forwards. They are worth first-round picks, not their supporting cast.