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Bright side: We're now last in the division, conference, and league...so the only way is up, right? ...right?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Be honest, would it surprise anyone here if this team missed the playoffs? We are seeing a continuation of where they left off of last season.

And it pains me to see Lucic may be another Kevin Stevens like dud of a power forward whose best years are behind him.
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What we gave up for him, still boggles my mind.
 
Martyros said:
Well, we can be relegated midseason, maybe?
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:dunno:

Video of Opening Night Introductions from Game 1. (Not too exciting, but we missed it and got to see the Blackhawks and Rangers instead. Yay.) Also, those fans making stupid faces behind the staff while they were getting their yearly recognition? Classy.


Jake Muzzin has many years ahead of him to look like an old coot. Not sure why he wants to start now.
 
Schultz on waivers!!! Going to Ontario if clears! That's bright, or at least a start. As some post, play the kids. I'd like to see a PP unit of Shore, Weal, Mersch, Toffoli, and Doughty. 0-10? And not looking good!! I see Greene sitting a lot this year, and we will slowly see more of Forbort.
 
efhank said:
Schultz on waivers!!! Going to Ontario if clears! That's bright, or at least a start. As some post, play the kids. I'd like to see a PP unit of Shore, Weal, Mersch, Toffoli, and Doughty. 0-10? And not looking good!! I see Greene sitting a lot this year, and we will slowly see more of Forbort.
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does that mean they'll finally play forbort?!

wow that PP unit would be awesome. really wish kings would capitalize on some of that calder cup winning first line chemistry. weal-mersch-onei were just so good together. i guess oneill is gone but weal and mersch could still play on a line. it'd be nice to see.
 
cali101 said:
does that mean they'll finally play forbort?!

wow that PP unit would be awesome. really wish kings would capitalize on some of that calder cup winning first line chemistry. weal-mersch-onei were just so good together. i guess oneill is gone but weal and mersch could still play on a line. it'd be nice to see.
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Not sure why so many get excited with playing so many youngsters...I guess if you don't mind second-division type results with no chance to contend for a Cup then have at it. But I fail to see why so many of you think that playing a bunch of youngsters is going to get us anywhere in the standings.
 
for me it's not suggesting playing a bunch of youngsters or totally revamping the team. but taking the success of a top line in the ahl and moving it up isn't a bad thing, even if just a pair of guys like weal/mersch. the kings did it, to some extent, when they brought up toffili, pearson and vey - and boom! instant production and chemistry. vey didnt stick but toffoli and pearson invigorated the team until pearson's injury. shore hasn't had the same success but he's never been paired with a linemate that has created the same chemistry. so you can have your vets/stars/stalwarts on the top 2 lines and then some youth bringing up the rear in 3 and 4. a good mix would help too - have some experienced defence backing up a young offensive front on the third line, and then have an enforcer, maybe more experienced group on the 4th with some younger defense. just keep developing.

new jersey have talked recently about their failing to keep moving youth up and evolving the team. the kings haven't quite gotten stuck in that bind but no doubt sutter is a traditionalist who likes to stick with grit and experience above youth and energy.
 
efhank said:
Schultz on waivers!!! Going to Ontario if clears! That's bright, or at least a start. As some post, play the kids. I'd like to see a PP unit of Shore, Weal, Mersch, Toffoli, and Doughty. 0-10? And not looking good!! I see Greene sitting a lot this year, and we will slowly see more of Forbort.
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Would be a great idea if the goal was to get beat up on the boards and give up short-handers.
 
The Tikkanen said:
The line blender needs accountability. Why are some players immune to it while others are shifted all over the place shift by shift?
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I agree, Kopitar ought to be skating with Nolan and clifford. I hate to be reactionary but if Kopitar doesn't wake up, he's going to be playing on another team next year. I think I'd rather have Williams at his salary and our draft pick back from Boston on Lucic.

There is no way this team is as bad as they've played this far but the way they've played does have me concerned. Lots of lackadaisical play.
 
cali101 said:
for me it's not suggesting playing a bunch of youngsters or totally revamping the team. but taking the success of a top line in the ahl and moving it up isn't a bad thing, even if just a pair of guys like weal/mersch. the kings did it, to some extent, when they brought up toffili, pearson and vey - and boom! instant production and chemistry. vey didnt stick but toffoli and pearson invigorated the team until pearson's injury. shore hasn't had the same success but he's never been paired with a linemate that has created the same chemistry. so you can have your vets/stars/stalwarts on the top 2 lines and then some youth bringing up the rear in 3 and 4. a good mix would help too - have some experienced defence backing up a young offensive front on the third line, and then have an enforcer, maybe more experienced group on the 4th with some younger defense. just keep developing.

new jersey have talked recently about their failing to keep moving youth up and evolving the team. the kings haven't quite gotten stuck in that bind but no doubt sutter is a traditionalist who likes to stick with grit and experience above youth and energy.
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One - Vey didn't play with those two all that much, and can't stick anywhere. He's far too slim and easy to knock off the puck.

Two - Toffoli was on pace to score 40+ when he was brought up. Pearson, near 40. Those two were miles ahead of what guys like Weal and Mersch are now, not even in the same ballpark. A couple years ago, Toffoli had 8 less goals than Weal did at the end of the season in 58 fewer games. The gap is huge.

I hope our youth pans out and can contribute, but if we are going to throw a bunch of them on the bottom lines, we might as well trade Kopitar at the deadline. We would get creamed by matchups on the road.
 
I don't think the way they've played the 1st two games was that unpredictable, and here's why (in my opinion):

Most of the other teams in the league had some of their lines clicking by the end of pre-season, even with a new face on the line.

Most notably, Oshie + Ovechkin + Kuznetsov.

The Kings never really got to that point. Frozen Fury was a great outcome, but I didn't see any players (that had or hadn't been playing together previously) even want to get to that point. The vets just coasted, didn't care about re-finding their scoring touch or knowing where their linemates were going to be.

Personally, I just think the team was working out their 'kinks' and dealing with their off-ice stuff moreso than making sure they were 1000% ready to go for the season. In essence, they didn't hit the ground running, and it's definitely shown in spades.
 
cali101 said:
for me it's not suggesting playing a bunch of youngsters or totally revamping the team. but taking the success of a top line in the ahl and moving it up isn't a bad thing, even if just a pair of guys like weal/mersch. the kings did it, to some extent, when they brought up toffili, pearson and vey - and boom! instant production and chemistry.
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kinda like King and Nolan in 2012, was it?

idk, Shore has looked good but Im a little worried about Weal. we'll see what happens
our defense has been really bad so I could see Forbort getting a taste
 
How did Mcnabb look with Doughty on Friday ? You guys think Sutter goes with same pairing Tuesday ?

Mcnabb and Doughty together will be interesting
 
Ron said:
Not sure why so many get excited with playing so many youngsters...I guess if you don't mind second-division type results with no chance to contend for a Cup then have at it. But I fail to see why so many of you think that playing a bunch of youngsters is going to get us anywhere in the standings.
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Chicago plays youngsters where they should be playing on their proper lines and doesn't shelter them and they're doing pretty good. Detroit of all people is starting to follow suit. Tampa, Isles .

Game is changing and evolving to skill n finesse if Sutter doesn't adapt then we will miss the playoffs this year as well having given up so much for Lucic. With that package we could have gotten better.

Jones was always underrated also. Quick is nothing special team defense made him better than he really is. I love Quick there is no one in the world I'd rather have over him in the playoffs but you gotta switch things up and adapt. Jones will be a much better goalie for the long run. He could have accomplished same things given workload and team defense .

This puck possession play won't last longer. Panarin and Kane together are having amazing possessing number but with all skill n finesse , dekes and goals to boot.
 
^ agree about jones. what a shame to have lost him!

also calgary is antoher team that brought up youth and speed, and it seems to be paying off.
 
Why are people down on Shore ? Shore has been the best Center on the ice since the season started.

Also is centering the best line the Kings have right now Brown/Shore/Lewis.
 
As usual, like every damn season, the six-figure players will be blamed. This team lives and dies by Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. They have not played well at all. Period. This team will go nowhere very quickly with Kopitar and Carter being invisible, Doughty playing average, and Quick letting in every shot.
 
Reclamation Project said:
As usual, like every damn season, the six-figure players will be blamed. This team lives and dies by Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. They have not played well at all. Period. This team will go nowhere very quickly with Kopitar and Carter being invisible, Doughty playing average, and Quick letting in every shot.
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:thumbu::thumbu: two thumbs up, exactly this.
 
Reclamation Project said:
As usual, like every damn season, the six-figure players will be blamed. This team lives and dies by Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. They have not played well at all. Period. This team will go nowhere very quickly with Kopitar and Carter being invisible, Doughty playing average, and Quick letting in every shot.
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Yup, it's still very early, but let's face it Kopitar's play has been lackluster for about a year. If this continues Dean is going to have to go in another direction. Not sure how much more rope he gives Kopitar given the recent situations with Stoll and Richards.

Before the Kopi fanboys jump on this post, I'm not saying Kopitar has any kind of substance abuse issues. I just don't think Dean is going to let his heart overrule his head any longer.
 
Per Darren Dreger in the Dreger Report

http://www.tsn.ca/dreger-report-glencross-prepared-for-whatever-comes-next-1.374441

Agreeing to an eight-year term was never in doubt, but finding common ground on the money has proven to be more complicated than expected
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I understand that DL has had a boatload of other stuff to deal with so it could be time was at a premium , but Kopitar's new contract has been out there for awhile and 'common ground on money' issue is curious. Negotiations tend to start with the agent /player on the high side and the GM/team on the low end. But usually they find a settlement in the middle in a reasonable amount of time.
About a week back Dreger was on a TSN podcast and said that the Kings had expected the deal to be done before the season started and the fact the were 'fairly far apart' on money was something that was mildly concerning.

Maybe DL's bottom line figure is lower than I thought. I figured the Kings would be at about 8.5 or so Kopitar's camp at 10.5 and they meet at about 9.5.
But for Kopitar's camp to be standing firm so far, maybe the Kings offer was lower than that.
Just a bit surprised it isn't done.

Stamkos, I fully expected to be unsigned , I don't think he'll sign with them and frankly, with 6 contracts for their younger top player son the horizon, they can't afford what he's asking.
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HYORI 1963 said:
Why?
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Because if you're dangling Miller, Jones and the #13 pick overall, he could have done a lot better that Lucic.

If you're giving up that much, then instead of calling Boston to get a player DL had coveted for years, he could have gotten a 3rd line center, that won't be a rental, and would have given them a better depth, provide an offensive touch with an experienced player who cold move up if Kopi or Carter got hurt.

Center depth is a critical for a team hoping to battle for playoff position in the RS and go on a deep run post season. They don't have enough to go deep and get past teams, not with Lewis/Shore.
 
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