The Bobby Orr Trophy (Why not?)

[ESH]

no, he hasn't.

In your opinion. Which probably differs from the majority

 

[joe dirte]

Wasn't there a thread a while back where someone wanted to call it the Paul Coffey Memorial Trophy?

would be funny if the NHL went through with it... how do you feel if you're Paul Coffey?

 

[joe dirte]

In your opinion. Which probably differs from the majority

he most certainly not been the best most years.

this is actually WHY some want to make this trophy. it would hopefully stop some from confusing points with best all round play.

 

[Habs76]

Please don't name it the Bobby Orr Trophy. Don't need to taint his name with that shit. The Bobby Orr Trophy should replae the Norris.

 

[DonM]

Lets get this out there: Almost no one watches enough hockey to judge these awards based on the subtleties of each player's game. There are 1271 games each season, how many voters watching even 200 of them? That's more than a game every day for the duration of the season. I'd wager most watch a lot less. Plus these people have jobs to do that usually has f*** all to do with the other 30 teams. This means the Norris. like all the other trophies, will remain mostly stat driven.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Orr wasn't the best 2way defence man in the league.

Oh, okay.

 

[maacoshark]

This is news to just about everyone reading it

Did you see him play? He was great at what he did and he wasn't bad defensively. He may have been the best 2 way dman in the late 60's but Denis Potvin and Larry Robinson took over in the 70s. Have you ever heard of a big physical shutdown dman score over 100 points. Well Potvin did just that.

 

[ESH]

Did you see him play? He was great at what he did and he wasn't bad defensively. He may have been the best 2 way dman in the late 60's but Denis Potvin and Larry Robinson took over in the 70s. Have you ever heard of a big physical shutdown dman score over 100 points. Well Potvin did just that.

Denis Potvin won his first Norris trophy the year Orr played 10 games. The year before that, Bobby Orr won the Norris trophy handily, with Potvin coming in second.

 

[bukwas]

Orr is the best defenceman i've seen to this day.

 

[Iapyi]

I never entertained the thought that I was the first person to come up with the idea. It's just something that doesn't currently exist, yet it should. I'm only bringing it up.

i didn't mean to imply that at all, i was just moreso saying it has come up over the decades in the past. the nhl doesn't seem interested.

Honestly, I don’t really see a point. I think it would make voters feel obligated to vote for different players for the Norris. Karlsson has clearly been the best offensive defenseman most years, but hasn’t he also been the best defenseman period?

Is the aim to never let the best offensive defenseman be considered the best all-around defenseman or to hand out 2 trophies to one guy?

not in the slightest, he gets points which is sexy to many but i don't think many real hockey experts would pretend he's actually been the best dman period.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

This would settle a lot of dishonest arguments on these boards...

 

[jetsforever]

Not a bad idea

 

[Sureves]

Unless the Norris changes to be the best defensive defenseman this is a bad idea.

Either people would start to undervalue points when they vote for the Norris because “that guy already won a trophy specifically designed for that” or the player would often just win 2 trophies instead of 1 which seems stupid.

I suspect it would be the former. Count me out.

The real issue is the voters are dummies.

 

[snipes]

Yep count me in. Also should be an assist trophy, imo. And maybe a goalie wins trophy.

Should have the Wayne Gretzky award for assist the leader.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Should have the Wayne Gretzky award for assist the leader.

of course, gretzky is all time assist leader by a landslide

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

If you had this award we could actually award the Norris to the best dman in the league instead of someone who has a monster offensive year.

 

[Ciao]

Orr wasn't the best 2way defence man in the league.

This is the most stupid comment I've read in a long, long time.
I have watched Bobby Orr play a lot, and IMO he certainly was the best two-way defenceman of his time, and probably of all time.

He changed the way defencemen play the game. He created the template for the rushing defenceman.

He was such a fast and strong skater that he had to lead the rush from the defence position because none of his teammates could have kept up with him had he started plays as a forward.

He could skate faster backwards that almost every other player could skate forwards. He could play an entire shift without having to turn around to catch up with a forward. He could ride oncoming puck carriers into the boards without turning around to face his own net. He was the best defender in his own end, bar none.

He was so strong on his skates that he could not be knocked off the puck.

He was a punishing body checker, both into the boards and in open ice. His open-ice hip checks were legendary.

He read the play so well that he was rarely out of position, and when he gained the puck he turned onto the rush better than anyone else.

And you should think that Orr was not the best two-way defenceman in the NHL?

He was the best two-way defenceman in our solar system -- ever.

 

[Legion34]

I always thought the highest scoring d should be the Orr.

And the assists the Gretzky.

 

[Algernop Kreider]

I hope people in favor if this would be fine with the Orr trophy and the Norris trophy usually going to the same guy, like the Art Ross and the Hart.

 

[snipes]

Orr wasn't the best 2way defence man in the league.

Bahahahaha [insert laughing Jordan]

Orr is the best two way hockey player of all time.

 

[Fire Benning]

gretzky not thornton, c'mon man.

Too obvious.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I hope people in favor if this would be fine with the Orr trophy and the Norris trophy usually going to the same guy, like the Art Ross and the Hart.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think looking back over the last few years those trophies could be VERY easily split. Maybe some years not so much.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, I'm partial to offensive dmen so I've been for such a trophy for a long time. Dmen are short changed in trophies.

Forwards are half a full team and they have many trophies to win.
Goalies are a sixth of a full on ice team and they have two major trophies - Vezina & Jennings.
The Hart usually goes to a forward or goalie.
Dmen, a third of the players have one, the Norris

And no, I don't think one dman will usually get both the Norris and, say Orr trophy. In a two major awards for dmen NHL I doubt Karlsson would ever have won the Norris. I believe Mike Green would have an "Orr" but never, and probably shouldn't have, ever won a Norris. In his offensive peak was he ever Norris runner up?

 

[saffronleaf]

gretzky not thornton, c'mon man.

oates

 

[Paul4587]

It would serve more purpose than the Lady Byng and Messier leadership award that's for sure.