Rumor: The battle for Tarasenko is heating up

[bleedgreen]

I think the battle for Tarasenko has dropped off to occasional mild skirmishes. Maybe a snowball fight once the weather changes.

It would appear the market for him is soft to say the least.

 

[Jester9881]

First and Wahlstrom for tarasenko. You guys need a quality sniper to get over the hump.

Wahlstrom on his own was on pace to score 24 goals as a 2o year old getting limited minutes on the 3rd line and barely any time on the PP.

If Tarasenko scores 24 goals next season, you have to look at that as a win for him.

Total no go

 

[Jester9881]

It turns out that the Islanders are officially out on Tarasenko and the blues know this for certain. By signing Pelech before his arbitration hearing, they have opened a second buyout window. To be used for Komorov.

It doesn't make sense for the NYI to buy out Leo or Hickey at this point considering the cap hit is only slightly higher after burying them and they are off the roster next season.

 

[Mike Liut]

How many teams can even afford 7.5 x 2 at this point? Or even 5.2 if the Blues retain a couple mill. I’m sure Army said if we are retaining, I want an asset in return.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It’s written, Sun Tzu say Avoid Battle for Shooter with No Shoulder

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

How many teams can even afford 7.5 x 2 at this point? Or even 5.2 if the Blues retain a couple mill. I’m sure Army said if we are retaining, I want an asset in return.

The Devils can afford the whole contract. But I can’t imagine they would be willing to give up anything if they do.

 

[benedictTavares]

Wahlstrom on his own was on pace to score 24 goals as a 2o year old getting limited minutes on the 3rd line and barely any time on the PP.

If Tarasenko scores 24 goals next season, you have to look at that as a win for him.

Total no go

 

[JTRAIN1966]

It turns out that the Islanders are officially out on Tarasenko and the blues know this for certain. By signing Pelech before his arbitration hearing, they have opened a second buyout window. To be used for Komorov. Since Komorov only makes $3M they couldn’t possibly fit Tarasenko’s 7.5M unless the Blues retained $4.5M or took back $4.5M in salary. It turns out they had a handshake deal with Pelech to have him file for arbitration, just so they could get that second buyout window, which is only given to teams with Arbitration cases. This effectively take them out of any Tarasenko trade unless the Blues retain $4.5M or take back 4.5M in salary . Or a combination of both.

Turns out “old Lou” isn’t senile yet folks, he know which rules to keep in his bag of tricks.

I’m just glad it’s over and he’ll be able to resign our free agents and RFA’s.

Could they do that again with, Beau & buyout Bailey or...... can you guys buyout as many as you like now ?

I don't understand this buyout window thing too much .

 

[Mike Liut]

It’s written, Sun Tzu say Avoid Battle for Shooter with No Shoulder

Tarasenko doesn’t rely on his slap shot to score. He’s a wrister shooter. I doubt this shoulder will be a factor especially this long after his surgery and rehab. He’s having a full off season workout program. He’ll be 100 percent for camp.

 

[JTRAIN1966]

It’s written, Sun Tzu say Avoid Battle for Shooter with No Shoulder

I think you meant...... Confucius says :

 

[Bluesnatic27]

Tarasenko doesn’t rely on his slap shot to score. He’s a wrister shooter. I doubt this shoulder will be a factor especially this long after his surgery and rehab. He’s having a full off season workout program. He’ll be 100 percent for camp.

Wrist shots heavily rely on the shoulder just like slap shots do. Especially for a shooter like Tarasenko, whose biggest strength was generating high velocity shots through his wrist shot. Damage to the shoulder is a serious concern for him as a wrist shot specialist. And the whole "he's had a long rehab" concept doesn't hold true when he's needed surgeries after having a long rehab assignment. Even if he does show up to camp fully capable, the question around him is longevity, which will stop being a concern when he plays consistently for at least the next season.

 

[Mike Liut]

Wrist shots heavily rely on the shoulder just like slap shots do. Especially for a shooter like Tarasenko, whose biggest strength was generating high velocity shots through his wrist shot. Damage to the shoulder is a serious concern for him as a wrist shot specialist. And the whole "he's had a long rehab" concept doesn't hold true when he's needed surgeries after having a long rehab assignment. Even if he does show up to camp fully capable, the question around him is longevity, which will stop being a concern when he plays consistently for at least the next season.

true, but there are many other muscles used in a wrist shot too. As long as his shoulder is finally fixed after his 3rd surgery, I think he has a good chance of returning to form. Maybe this was the surgery that fixed it after 2 botched ones. It’s possible I guess.

 

[KrisBeKreame]

true, but there are many other muscles used in a wrist shot too. As long as his shoulder is finally fixed after his 3rd surgery, I think he has a good chance of returning to form. Maybe this was the surgery that fixed it after 2 botched ones. It’s possible I guess.

Alexi Yashin was completely healthy after repairing the ligaments in his wrist that were cut by a skate. Healthy, recovered but never able to snap his wrist for his wrist shot again. Just because you would cover doesn't mean that you can use the muscles the same way

 

[Boxscore]

The Devils can afford the whole contract. But I can’t imagine they would be willing to give up anything if they do.

This is true. Look at Gostisbehere in Philly -- a couple of years ago the kid scored 60 points as a defenseman -- was dinged up last couple of years and the Flyers needed to GIVE a 2nd rounder for someone to take his $4.5 mil cap hit. Nobody is taking Tarasenko's $7.5 x2 without the Blues coughing something else up in the deal.

 

[Got One Cup]

thats how its self serving.... youre selling him as healthy when nobody, not even tarasenko knows how healthy or how he will stand up to the rigors of an NHL season. The man has played 34 games and scored 7 goals and had 3 shoulder surgeries in 3 years. Youre saying something is a certainty. when the facts say its anything but. if it was a sure thing as you suggest armstrong would have never left him exposed in expansion. so even Armstrong doesnt believe you. thats the very definition of self-serving.

actions speak louder than words

self-serv·ing
/ˈˌself ˈsərviNG/
adjective

1. having concern for one's own welfare and interests before those of others.
   
   Here ya go buddy. Hmm now me saying he’s gonna come back and play like I know he can now that he’s healthy ( I’ll take his doctors word over you) and still saying the Blues will get a crap return(possibly retain) SERVES me how?

 

[Eggtimer]

This is true. Look at Gostisbehere in Philly -- a couple of years ago the kid scored 60 points as a defenseman -- was dinged up last couple of years and the Flyers needed to GIVE a 2nd rounder for someone to take his $4.5 mil cap hit. Nobody is taking Tarasenko's $7.5 x2 without the Blues coughing something else up in the deal.

I don’t think the value is that bad with zero retention that a positive asset will have to be attached but I cannot see that much positive value at all. I would think something like 5th round pick plus a “meh” prospect . I’m guessing why this trade hasn’t happened. Armstrong is not going to add assets to trade him . I cannot see him doing that but that’s just my opinion. I’m guessing it’s a stalemate where a team(s) made their offer and both parties are not budging. As a Devils fan I’d like to get him and hoping for zero retention (to lower asset cost to get him) but no way I would want to give up anything like a 2nd or equivalent .

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I don’t think the value is that bad with zero retention that a positive asset will have to be attached but I cannot see that much positive value at all. I would think something like 5th round pick plus a “meh” prospect . I’m guessing why this trade hasn’t happened. Armstrong is not going to add assets to trade him . I cannot see him doing that but that’s just my opinion. I’m guessing it’s a stalemate where a team(s) made their offer and both parties are not budging. As a Devils fan I’d like to get him and hoping for zero retention (to lower asset cost to get him) but no way I would want to give up anything like a 2nd or equivalent .

I think Seattle not taking Tarasenko for free kind of set the market for him. I would think that while Armstrong is willing to move Tarasenko for free he is not willing to add assets to move him. Or it could be worse and the assets being demanded are not something Armstrong is even willing to entertain.

 

[Forge]

I think Seattle not taking Tarasenko for free kind of set the market for him. I would think that while Armstrong is willing to move Tarasenko for free he is not willing to add assets to move him. Or it could be worse and the assets being demanded are not something Armstrong is even willing to entertain.

All Seattle not taking him tells us is that he had less value than Vince Dunn

 

[hockeyisles]

self-serv·ing
/ˈˌself ˈsərviNG/
adjective

1. having concern for one's own welfare and interests before those of others.
   
   Here ya go buddy. Hmm now me saying he’s gonna come back and play like I know he can now that he’s healthy ( I’ll take his doctors word over you) and still saying the Blues will get a crap return(possibly retain) SERVES me how?

It serves you as a Blues fan thinking that he’s healthy and fully recovered and back to pre-injury form. When literally no one on Earth can assure that.

consider the words of another Blues fan:

Wrist shots heavily rely on the shoulder just like slap shots do. Especially for a shooter like Tarasenko, whose biggest strength was generating high velocity shots through his wrist shot. Damage to the shoulder is a serious concern for him as a wrist shot specialist. And the whole "he's had a long rehab" concept doesn't hold true when he's needed surgeries after having a long rehab assignment. Even if he does show up to camp fully capable, the question around him is longevity, which will stop being a concern when he plays consistently for at least the next season.

that’s not self serving that’s a rational evaluation of the situation. Tarasenko can come back and he could possibly come back as good as he ever was. But and this is the point…he actually has to do it first. If you say that he will do it without addressing the possibility that he may not….that’s self-serving.

Again no one not even Tarasenko himself KNOWS with any assurance how he will perform until he actually does it. It’s entirely possible he plays 4 games and blows out his shoulder again. It’s happened before. For his sake I hope not but as one who has undergone 10 major surgeries myself, unfortunately I know it’s possible. Once the injury exists it is far more likely to reoccur than not.

 

[Beauterham]

First and Wahlstrom for tarasenko. You guys need a quality sniper to get over the hump.

We need to be realistic. Wahlstrom is never going to happen unless we add value to the trade. And then still, it's not going to happen.
However, I do think a 1st (it's going to be a late first anyway) + another pick/prospect(s) isn't out of the question as long as we can help the Islanders with their capproblem.

We can't retain on Tarasenko's contract because we need the capspace next year for Parayko's contract, however we can take on some capspace for this season as long as that increases the return we get for him: if we trade Tarasenko for his full contract we have enough capspace to take on both Hickey and Komarov's contracts. The Islanders will upgrade their top 6, get rid of 2 bad contracts and still have enough capspace for signing their RFA's (and possibly do a deal for a LHD) we on the other hand will have more than enough capspace to sign Robert Thomas and carry a 23-man roster. Hickey can be buried in the minors and Komarov can rotate in and out on our 4th line. Hickey and Komarov's contracts expire at the end of next season so capspace isn't going to be a problem when we need to sign Colt. Hell, we can retain 50% on both Hickey and Komarov if anyone wants them (which also isn't going to happen).

So in short:

Islanders:
- Tarasenko

Blues:
- Hickey
- Komarov
- 22 1st roundpick
- good but not top tier prospect(s) (not Dobson / Wahlstrom level, looking more at guys like Samuel Bolduc or Tristan Lennox) / extra pick(s)

 

[McJedi]

Friedman said the Caps inquired about Kuznetsov for Tarasenko and the Blues didn’t like that

No one likes to import expensive bad apples. There is a lot of noise around Kuznetsov and cocaine.

 

[hockeyisles]

All Seattle not taking him tells us is that he had less value than Vince Dunn

100% true all that represents is one team and one particular GM. The market is set by actual offers and since no one has reported any actual offers, we have no idea what Tarasenko’s market is. Or even if there is one at all. All we have is pure speculation.

which is why I have only addressed why the Islanders make little to no sense as a destination since they can’t afford him, given who they need to resign

 

[Got One Cup]

It serves you as a Blues fan thinking that he’s healthy and fully recovered and back to pre-injury form. When literally no one on Earth can assure that.

consider the words of another Blues fan:


that’s not self serving that’s a rational evaluation of the situation. Tarasenko can come back and he could possibly come back as good as he ever was. But and this is the point…he actually has to do it first. If you say that he will do it without addressing the possibility that he may not….that’s self-serving.

Again no one not even Tarasenko himself KNOWS with any assurance how he will perform until he actually does it. It’s entirely possible he plays 4 games and blows out his shoulder again. It’s happened before. For his sake I hope not but as one who has undergone 10 major surgeries myself, unfortunately I know it’s possible. Once the injury exists it is far more likely to reoccur than not.

If I was saying he was healthy and the blues will get a solid return, that would be self serving. That’s not the case here. I expect us to get a crap return.

 

[DatDude44]

Wrist shots heavily rely on the shoulder just like slap shots do. Especially for a shooter like Tarasenko, whose biggest strength was generating high velocity shots through his wrist shot. Damage to the shoulder is a serious concern for him as a wrist shot specialist. And the whole "he's had a long rehab" concept doesn't hold true when he's needed surgeries after having a long rehab assignment. Even if he does show up to camp fully capable, the question around him is longevity, which will stop being a concern when he plays consistently for at least the next season.

U literally drive your shoulder down through the stick to to flex/snap the puck lmaooo what's he talking about?


This tarasenko saga just needs end lol

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

We need to be realistic. Wahlstrom is never going to happen unless we add value to the trade. And then still, it's not going to happen.
However, I do think a 1st (it's going to be a late first anyway) + another pick/prospect(s) isn't out of the question as long as we can help the Islanders with their capproblem.

We can't retain on Tarasenko's contract because we need the capspace next year for Parayko's contract, however we can take on some capspace for this season as long as that increases the return we get for him: if we trade Tarasenko for his full contract we have enough capspace to take on both Hickey and Komarov's contracts. The Islanders will upgrade their top 6, get rid of 2 bad contracts and still have enough capspace for signing their RFA's (and possibly do a deal for a LHD) we on the other hand will have more than enough capspace to sign Robert Thomas and carry a 23-man roster. Hickey can be buried in the minors and Komarov can rotate in and out on our 4th line. Hickey and Komarov's contracts expire at the end of next season so capspace isn't going to be a problem when we need to sign Colt. Hell, we can retain 50% on both Hickey and Komarov if anyone wants them (which also isn't going to happen).

So in short:

Islanders:
- Tarasenko

Blues:
- Hickey
- Komarov
- 22 1st roundpick
- good but not top tier prospect(s) (not Dobson / Wahlstrom level, looking more at guys like Samuel Bolduc or Tristan Lennox) / extra pick(s)

I would make the pick something like a 3rd with games played conditions on it that raises it's value