Rumor: The battle for Tarasenko is heating up

[Beauterham]

I would make the pick something like a 3rd with games played conditions on it that raises it's value

Yeah, I wouldn't be against that. Either that (so in worst case we will get at least a 1st + 3rd) or just the 1st plus prospect(s).

 

[hockeyisles]

If I was saying he was healthy and the blues will get a solid return, that would be self serving. That’s not the case here. I expect us to get a crap return.

Ok if I missed that then you are not self-serving. That changes the entire equation.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Yeah, I wouldn't be against that. Either that (so in worst case we will get at least a 1st + 3rd) or just the 1st plus prospect(s).

it seems the most 'fair' .. to me anyways.. if the floor falls out, not much was lost for the risk taken.. if he performs to his level, then raising it is fair for both teams

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

U literally drive your shoulder down through the stick to to flex/snap the puck lmaooo what's he talking about?


This tarasenko saga just needs end lol

yeah, slapping a puck is much more strenuous on the shoulder than wristing, but I think the point trying to be made is generating power, which is a fair statement.
THAT being said, he didn't have ANY issues generating power on his wrister at the end of last year. his aim was just a tad off.. till that last PO game anyways... he picked a coupla corners in that one.

 

[benedictTavares]

No one wants to pay full price and I can not blame them. Just do whatever cap magic you need to do for him to play and trade him at the deadline. I doubt he holds out or plays games just call his bluff.

 

[Hisch13r]

No one wants to pay full price and I can not blame them. Just do whatever cap magic you need to do for him to play and trade him at the deadline. I doubt he holds out or plays games just call his bluff.

If he does hold out though do you really want a guy who's played 42 total regular season and playoff games in 2.75 seasons to just get dropped onto your team? That's a ton of rust

 

[hockeyisles]

We need to be realistic. Wahlstrom is never going to happen unless we add value to the trade. And then still, it's not going to happen.
However, I do think a 1st (it's going to be a late first anyway) + another pick/prospect(s) isn't out of the question as long as we can help the Islanders with their capproblem.

We can't retain on Tarasenko's contract because we need the capspace next year for Parayko's contract, however we can take on some capspace for this season as long as that increases the return we get for him: if we trade Tarasenko for his full contract we have enough capspace to take on both Hickey and Komarov's contracts. The Islanders will upgrade their top 6, get rid of 2 bad contracts and still have enough capspace for signing their RFA's (and possibly do a deal for a LHD) we on the other hand will have more than enough capspace to sign Robert Thomas and carry a 23-man roster. Hickey can be buried in the minors and Komarov can rotate in and out on our 4th line. Hickey and Komarov's contracts expire at the end of next season so capspace isn't going to be a problem when we need to sign Colt. Hell, we can retain 50% on both Hickey and Komarov if anyone wants them (which also isn't going to happen).

So in short:

Islanders:
- Tarasenko

Blues:
- Hickey
- Komarov
- 22 1st roundpick
- good but not top tier prospect(s) (not Dobson / Wahlstrom level, looking more at guys like Samuel Bolduc or Tristan Lennox) / extra pick(s)

Love the fact that you really worked to consider the need of both teams. excellent work.

however this still doesn’t work for the following reasons:

GM’s as a rule are risk averse. The risk of a Tarasenko reinjury is just too great.

with Anders Lee looking on track, Wahlstrom living up to expectations and looking like a young version of, dare I say it, Tarasenko. And Palmieri coming back to fill Eberle’s role, we simply don’t need to take on the risk of a Tarasenko reinjury.

‘we have a bunch of core players we need to resign, Tarasenko NEVER made sense for the Islanders and still doesn’t. I get that Armstrong desires some of our assets but we like them too. Lamouriello may have done his due diligence, as I’m sure every GM does. It’s prudent to do so. But there’s no compelling need for Tarasenko or the risk he represents.

 

[Eggtimer]

I think Seattle not taking Tarasenko for free kind of set the market for him. I would think that while Armstrong is willing to move Tarasenko for free he is not willing to add assets to move him. Or it could be worse and the assets being demanded are not something Armstrong is even willing to entertain.

But it wasn’t free really , it was less value to them than Dunn. Wooops , already been mentioned after your post . Anyways , I hope the Devils still look into this and offer a slight pick/ prospect that improves based on certain conditions

 

[67Blues]

At this point I'd settle for Tarasenko @50% plus a 1st round pick for Lucic just so this topic would die.

 

[HabsAddict]

Dunn wasn't a 7.5 million question mark. Tanks is and that's why he wasn't picked nor traded.

I feel for the Blues fans but right now, the ONLY option is to play him. No one is giving you a used puck until Tank is on the ice and showing that he's healthy and able. Sorry.

 

[Celtic Note]

I think Seattle not taking Tarasenko for free kind of set the market for him. I would think that while Armstrong is willing to move Tarasenko for free he is not willing to add assets to move him. Or it could be worse and the assets being demanded are not something Armstrong is even willing to entertain.

Seattle’s whole strategy was to take the most “meh” players as possible, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in their valuation as a barometer for the market.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I think Seattle not taking Tarasenko for free kind of set the market for him. I would think that while Armstrong is willing to move Tarasenko for free he is not willing to add assets to move him. Or it could be worse and the assets being demanded are not something Armstrong is even willing to entertain.

You make a good point here, Anthrax. We are pretty much resigned to keeping him, so he can pull his undies from his crack or build up his value enough for a decent trade.

A lot of Blues fans are all twisted up about this, which I understand, but all I care about is my Tarasenko jersey.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

You make a good point here, Anthrax. We are pretty much resigned to keeping him, so he can pull his undies from his crack or build up his value enough for a decent trade.

A lot of Blues fans are all twisted up about this, which I understand, but all I care about is my Tarasenko jersey.

only 45 more days till camp! lol

 

[hockeyisles]

as more and more time passes it seems that teams are having to buy cap space.

Philly paying a 2 and a 7 to have Arizona take ghost.

Vancouver taking on that hefty contact of Ekman-Larsson to move on from Erikssen

The Islanders trading 3 high draft picks to move Ladd

Minnesota buying out Parise and Suter,

teams just dont want to taken on Salary. heck even the blues git Buchnevich at a bargain price because the Rangers didnt want to pay him

its the new NHL

 

[beowulf]

So where is the heat in this battle or has it totally cooled off?

 

[DatDude44]

yeah, slapping a puck is much more strenuous on the shoulder than wristing, but I think the point trying to be made is generating power, which is a fair statement.
THAT being said, he didn't have ANY issues generating power on his wrister at the end of last year. his aim was just a tad off.. till that last PO game anyways... he picked a coupla corners in that one.

I’m not referring to slap shots……wristers nowadays barely exist, their snap shots now due to the new tech in sticks

 

[hockeyisles]

So where is the heat in this battle or has it totally cooled off?

it was based on faulty info that even its source (Elliotte Freidman) has backtracked on. it never made any sense for the Islanders to begin with. my personal belief is that Doug Armstrong fed him a story and he ran with it. Eklund reported it too but eeryone knows hes a crackpot

 

[Got One Cup]

So where is the heat in this battle or has it totally cooled off?

Treaty was signed without a single shot fired. Both armies joined together for beers on the “battlefield”.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Treaty was signed without a single shot fired. Both armies joined together for beers on the “battlefield”.

I'm down for this

 

[Got One Cup]

as more and more time passes it seems that teams are having to buy cap space.

Philly paying a 2 and a 7 to have Arizona take ghost.

Vancouver taking on that hefty contact of Ekman-Larsson to move on from Erikssen

The Islanders trading 3 high draft picks to move Ladd

Minnesota buying out Parise and Suter,

teams just dont want to taken on Salary. heck even the blues git Buchnevich at a bargain price because the Rangers didnt want to pay him

its the new NHL

COVID has changed the NHL. We can expect this trend to last at least a few more yrs. I expect Armstrong will either bit the bullet and retain for a not so good return or force Vladi to play for the Blues if he wants to stay in the nhl. Who knows maybe he comes in has a solid yr and gains interest at the deadline.

 

[Got One Cup]

I'm down for this

Well that depends on the beers.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Dunn wasn't a 7.5 million question mark. Tanks is and that's why he wasn't picked nor traded.

I feel for the Blues fans but right now, the ONLY option is to play him. No one is giving you a used puck until Tank is on the ice and showing that he's healthy and able. Sorry.

...basically the same position the Habs are in with Drouin; negative value until they actually play and then we see if they are "healthy" or not...not that I'm comparing Tarasenko to Drouin as players, cuz that would be lunacy...

 

[hockeyisles]

I'm down for this

me too, this way we can all root for tarasenko to resume being the player we all remember. After all the surgeries and rehabilitations, god knows he deserves a little good fortune.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Eichel for Tarasenko, Joshua, 2 2nds and 3 Robert Bortuzzos- E4

 

[Got One Cup]

Eichel for Tarasenko, Joshua, 2 2nds and 3 Robert Bortuzzos- E4

I pray the Blues figure out a way to clone Bortuzzo.