OT: The Avalounge but every time someone posts the quality declines

[UncleRisto]

The #1 difference between imperial and metric units is that imperial was designed around human experiences and metric was designed around conversions.

Yes, as I complained above, the imperial system can't be converted even within its own system.

 

[UncleRisto]

Some are easy. Yard is pretty much the same as meter, pound is kilo / 2 and some more, feet, inches etc. are pretty easily converted.

What I never get right is oz. It's hard to understand. Like a Coke can is 8 oz? 12 oz? Wadu hek.

Not what I was saying.

 

[henchman21]

Some are easy. Yard is pretty much the same as meter, pound is kilo / 2 and some more, feet, inches etc. are pretty easily converted.

What I never get right is oz. It's hard to understand. Like a Coke can is 8 oz? 12 oz? Wadu hek.

And fluid oz is different than a weight oz.

 

[Murzu]

Most people use temperature with how we are experiencing it. So weather, internal temperature, etc. That is what I mean by human temperature. Seeing 98 degrees fahrenheit on a weather forecast makes more connection to how the human body relates to that temperature than 35.5 celcius.

The #1 difference between imperial and metric units is that imperial was designed around human experiences and metric was designed around conversions.

My "problem" (not a real problem but still) with human experiences are that every human is different sized etc. Like you said about the origin of mile.

I don't know what 35.5 celsius is. It's -19.3 here.

Not what I was saying.

I know.

And fluid oz is different than a weight oz.

Scratching my head.

 

[henchman21]

Yes, as I complained above, the imperial system can't be converted even within its own system.

I wouldn't say that is true... most imperial units (since they were standardized) are designed to be split into halfs, 3rds, or 4ths. Getting rid of some units has made it more confusing actually... leagues, rods, gills, slug, furlong, etc are not longer used

 

[henchman21]

My "problem" (not a real problem but still) with human experiences are that every human is different sized etc. Like you said about the origin of mile.

I don't know what 35.5 celsius is. It's -19.3 here.

Over the years it got standardized and changed (IE fahrenheit was supposed to peg human temperature at 96, but with standardization has moved to 98).

 

[henchman21]

Scratching my head.

So one fluid oz is the volume occupied by one oz of weight of the fluid... now this varies between the UK and US. UK standardized their gallon to 10 pounds of water then dividing it down. The US standardized it to the wine gallon of 231 cubic inches. The actual weight ounce is the same between US and UK... 1/16 of a pound. Then we can get into troy ounce (and pound) which is different from both...

 

[Murzu]

Wikipedia tells me:

A fluid ounce is 1/160 gallon and 1/20 pints.

A gallon is 231 cubic inches.

A pint is 1/8 of liquid gallon.

It all makes perfect sense now.

So one fluid oz is the volume occupied by one oz of weight of the fluid... now this varies between the UK and US. UK standardized their gallon to 10 pounds of water then dividing it down. The US standardized it to the wine gallon of 231 cubic inches. The actual weight ounce is the same between US and UK... 1/16 of a pound. Then we can get into troy ounce (and pound) which is different from both...

This is some next level algebra. Thanks for trying to open it to me though

 

[henchman21]

In the US:

8 oz = 1 cup
2 cups = 1 pint
2 pints = 1 quart
4 quarts = 1 gallon

So 128 oz in 1 gallon. Looking from oz to gallons makes little to no sense, but breaking down the structure it makes more sense. Realistically... hardly any imperial measurement makes sense beyond temperature and that is day to day... not scientific. Making things easy to convert is a much better idea.

 

[UncleRisto]

I wouldn't say that is true... most imperial units (since they were standardized) are designed to be split into halfs, 3rds, or 4ths. Getting rid of some units has made it more confusing actually... leagues, rods, gills, slug, furlong, etc are not longer used

Oh, I see... with the inches in a foot and all that they're easy to split into fractions... And 16 ounces is a pound, 8 is half a pound, 4 is a quarter pound... Now what the hell's a pound?

What I never get right is oz. It's hard to understand. Like a Coke can is 8 oz? 12 oz? Wadu hek.

Gotta get them 40's.

 

[Murzu]

Never heard of quart before. But I see it's very close to liter (0.946 liters).

Yeah, it is pretty understandable the way you presented it.

At least I know what a pint is. It's the big beer I buy from supermarket.

Oh, I see... with the inches in a foot and all that they're easy to split into fractions... And 16 ounces is a pound, 8 is half a pound, 4 is a quarter pound... Now what the hell's a pound?

Yes, this.

Edit. I just figured out McDonalds QP contains a little over 100g of meat.

 

[henchman21]

Oh, I see... with the inches in a foot and all that they're easy to split into fractions... And 16 ounces is a pound, 8 is half a pound, 4 is a quarter pound... Now what the hell's a pound?

Exactly! That is how the whole system is designed. Weird for people outside of it, but makes sense when broken down.

The pound is probably the measurement that makes the least sense and has changed all the damn time. How we know it today derives from the wool pound... which was designed purely to be split into 16ths to make selling wool easier.

 

[henchman21]

IMO the reason the US is so reluctant to switch is that in day-to-day usage for people... understanding things in 1/4, 1/3, and 1/2 is just easier than decimals. Given my travels into the metric world, I have to be fluent in both and overall the metric system makes more sense to me, but I understand why imperial sticks around. The only metric unit I really don't like is celcius.

 

[UncleRisto]

Exactly! That is how the whole system is designed. Weird for people outside of it, but makes sense when broken down.

The pound is probably the measurement that makes the least sense and has changed all the damn time. How we know it today derives from the wool pound... which was designed purely to be split into 16ths to make selling wool easier.

So 28 grams of wool made a suitably sized small ball of wool?

 

[Murzu]

IMO the reason the US is so reluctant to switch is that in day-to-day usage for people... understanding things in 1/4, 1/3, and 1/2 is just easier than decimals. Given my travels into the metric world, I have to be fluent in both and overall the metric system makes more sense to me, but I understand why imperial sticks around. The only metric unit I really don't like is celcius.

It would take multiple years for everyone to catch up with the new system, no doubt. That process doesn't happen overnight. But even after our conversations I think metric system makes a lot more sense and is easier to understand and to use. But I'm biased so what do I know.

So 28 grams of wool made a suitably sized small ball of wool?

I lol'd. Somehow that 28 grams was more suitable size than 25 or 35 or whatever amount of grams.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

What in tarnation did I just click into?

 

[henchman21]

So 1 ounce of wool made a suitably sized small ball of wool?

Fixed.

 

[UncleRisto]

I almost went to the store again, to buy the sweetest possible kind of ice cream. Instead, I ate a bell pepper. I hate everything.

 

[Freudian]

It's very hard to change these systems at this point. Would be very costly and confusing. The time to go metric was 200 years ago. Same with driving on the left and right. Very expensive to change.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

0 degrees Celsius is the freezing point. Every degree above moves in a linear pattern of warmness. Every degree below moves in a linear pattern of coldness. Try to convince me there's a better method of measuring temperature. I dare ya.

 

[henchman21]

I forgot about the hogshead... I think that seals the imperial/metric debate, there isn't a more badass name for a unit than hogshead.

 

[henchman21]

0 degrees Celsius is the freezing point. Every degree above moves in a linear pattern of warmness. Every degree below moves in a linear pattern of coldness. Try to convince me there's a better method of measuring temperature. I dare ya.

I didn't know fahrenheit was logarithmic...

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I didn't know fahrenheit was logarithmic...

I didn't say it was.

 

[henchman21]

I didn't say it was.

Fahrenheit is just as linear celsius, but gives more resolution.

 

[Foppberg]

Fahrenheit is awful and makes an even worse book.