The Atlantic Division

[BayStreetBully]

Yep, yep it is. To have a tier separation i’d personally expect something more like a +12 or more.

I think he gets confused often that the argument isn’t who’s better.

Yep. While I haven’t conceded or proposed that one team is better than the other (one is), it’s pretty clear they are on the same level of points if all that separates them is 5 points at season’s end as he predicts.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

We should get an answer tonight when TB plays Toronto. Toronto played Boston a week ago, and there was a definite tier discrepancy in that game. Here is their 2nd chance to show they belong with Boston and TB.

 

[BruinLVGA]

I said not a single argument took place related to anything you were complaining about in your post. Under “other examples” which was the post.

You must be joking, your single argument heavily relies on pace and lacks any context, as I’ve already explained pace is a what if argument for a what is question, it’s a weak argument at best. You say they’ve played more playoff teams and have a better record, well than show your work... post up the record vs playoff teams who were in playoff positions at the time the games occurred. Anything short of that, or any excuse not to provide it means you have no leg to stand on.

My argument is already posted up, and is there for anyone to look at, i’ve shown the difference in the schedules has afforded Boston a softer one up to that point, less B2B’s, less 3-in-4’s, easy road trips, less games vs Western conference and more games vs the bottom teams. I’ve shown in the OP that Boston has benefitted from Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit to a degree only two teams have exceeded; quiring 35% of their total points from playing only 4 teams. I’ve made an argument that Toronto is closer to Boston than you think (which was average) and all you’ve done is ignore it and bring up pace and an invented vs playoff teams record.

So if you insist on ignoring my arguments which I actually back up with statistics so you can wail on a ****ing drum to drown it out, then I’ll need something more concrete from you to take you seriously. And try and remember that the argument isn’t if Boston is the better team.

Btw, your own vs playoff teams argument is wrong, by your standards you calculate the W-L for the season vs teams currently holding playoff spots, even though that can change daily. Following that method their records are, as of today Toronto has played 28 vs playoff teams while Boston has played 24. But these aren’t the real numbers anyway, and i’m Not doing your work for you.

My numbers were perfectly right at the moment I posted them (and I did them before too, and they were very similar to the last ones): you are for sure aware of that.
NOW, you computed them, and the difference is that from the time I last checked (a couple of days ago), 14 teams of the 16 teams that were there when I checked, are there now. The 2 teams that were in and now are not, are each out for ONE point at the moment. Maybe in a couple of games my original numbers will again be perfect.
It's obvious that teams in a playoffs position can change, but it's 1-2 teams at the maximum (and I am sure that it was a coincidence that you re-calculated once there was this small change in teams, right?). It's not this incredible turnover you seem to infer.

Bottom line, 2/3rds of the season has been completed. One team has been at 704, another one is at 623.
You keep on harping about the schedule, but conveniently forget that the Bruins lost enough men games (130) to injury that I don't know where Toronto would have been with the same injuries. Probably looking at a very nice pick. With that, the Bruins are currently THE SECOND BEST TEAM in the league. Would you look at that, uh...

Also... Under Cassidy (since February 2017, then), the Bruins are 52-20-9. That's 81 games, 113 points. And that's a 114 points pace, which is basically identical to the current pace (=115). I guess that must be because of easy schedule too and because the Bruins are a 114/115 points team, right? The envy you guys have is never ending.

 

[BruinLVGA]

5 points is same level.

It is. But 5 points and 3 games in hand, is not.

 

[BayStreetBully]

It is. But 5 points and 3 games in hand, is not.

You said +5 points at the end of the season. That’s same level, unless by “+” you meant 15 points. Which is moot, because that won’t happen anyway as Boston stops winning every game.

It will be interesting to see who comes out of the Atlantic in the playoffs. That’s the true barometer. Not 5 points difference in the regular season. Time will tell who emerges from the Big 3 in the Atlantic.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Yep, yep it is. To have a tier separation i’d personally expect something more like a +12 or more.

I think he gets confused often that the argument isn’t who’s better.

If things continue like this... That is the Leafs on pace for the second best ever points total of their whole history (82 games seasons) and the Bruins on the same pace under the whole tenure of this coach, the difference would be 12 points...

So, you only need to be on a quasi-historical run and we on the same pace we did for the past 81 games / 12 months.

 

[BruinLVGA]

You said +5 points at the end of the season. That’s same level, unless by “+” you meant 15 points. Which is moot, because that won’t happen anyway as Boston stops winning every game.

It will be interesting to see who comes out of the Atlantic in the playoffs. That’s the true barometer. Not 5 points difference in the regular season. Time will tell who emerges from the Big 3 in the Atlantic.

I said five points IF we decrease our performance by 11.5% = to your current level.
Also, IF you can keep up that 623 level: you were able to keep that pace up in an 82 games season ONCE before, EVER. It's basically uncharted territory for you...

 

[Sam Spade]

The OT games really skew the records. Bolts - 32 regulation 60 minute wins, Bruins 30 wins, Leafs - 23.

Watching the games you can see who the best teams are, the Pens, Preds, Bolts, these teams just play a game that is a notch above the rest. Some due to overall talent, some due to system, but come best of seven, unless something goes wrong injury wise, the cream will rise to the top, it always does.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I said five points IF we decrease our performance by 11.5% = to your current level.
Also, IF you can keep up that 623 level: you were able to keep that pace up in an 82 games season ONCE before, EVER. It's basically uncharted territory for you...

There's no way to politely put this: that's a stupid argument.

What bearing do past teams have on current ones? If we're going to follow this asinine logic, Boston might as well not bother competing for the Cup because historically they are great in the regular season yet rarely ever in their history get it done with money on the line.

 

[BruinLVGA]

We should get an answer tonight when TB plays Toronto. Toronto played Boston a week ago, and there was a definite tier discrepancy in that game. Here is their 2nd chance to show they belong with Boston and TB.

They're on a tear lately and Tampa is instead playing so-so. Great chance for Toronto to win this one. This game couldn't have arrived at a better moment for Toronto.

 

[BayStreetBully]

I said five points IF we decrease our performance by 11.5% = to your current level.
Also, IF you can keep up that 623 level: you were able to keep that pace up in an 82 games season ONCE before, EVER. It's basically uncharted territory for you...

I’ll take your word for it that the Leafs don’t normally get 100 points a season. I too like 100 year old history but I only really keep track of cups over that time span.

But if we can get back to 2017, you’re on the right track that you shouldn’t assume Boston will win at a 700 pace all year. I think I’ve finally gotten through to you, as I see you’re using “IF” more. Let’s just enjoy the season and see who of the Big 3 in the Atlantic emerges out of the division. IF Boston knocks out their other top dog rivals Tampa and Toronto, I’ll be thoroughly impressed and you can root your horn.

 

[BruinLVGA]

There's no way to politely put this: that's a stupid argument.

What bearing do past teams have on current ones? If we're going to follow this asinine logic, Boston might as well not bother competing for the Cup because historically they are great in the regular season yet rarely ever in their history get it done with money on the line.

It's not difficult. Current performance (704, 623) over a significant sample of games (2/3rds of the season) is a good indicator of what level teams are.
704>>>>>623, with no context.
704>>>623, with the "easier schedule" that you guys always mention.
704>>>>>>>623, considering the ton of injuries we had.
All things considered (the "easier schedule", the injuries, etc etc), 704>>>>>623.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

They're on a tear lately and Tampa is instead playing so-so. Great chance for Toronto to win this one. This game couldn't have arrived at a better moment for Toronto.

Much like Boston getting Toronto on their 3rd game in 4 nights while Boston never had to leave home for 9 days.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

It's not difficult. Current performance (704, 623) over a significant sample of games (2/3rds of the season) is a good indicator of what level teams are.
704>>>>>623, with no context.
704>>>623, with the "easier schedule" that you guys always mention.
704>>>>>>>623, considering the ton of injuries we had.
All things considered (the "easier schedule", the injuries, etc etc), 704>>>>>623.

So you post a stupid premise, get called on it, and then refute it with something that doesn't have anything to do with the stupid premise?

Well done.

 

[Cotton]

Much like Boston getting Toronto on their 3rd game in 4 nights while Boston never had to leave home for 9 days.

LOL, Rekt.

 

[BruinLVGA]

I’ll take your word for it that the Leafs don’t normally get 100 points a season. I too like 100 year old history but I only really keep track of cups over that time span.

But if we can get back to 2017, you’re on the right track that you shouldn’t assume Boston will win at a 700 pace all year. I think I’ve finally gotten through to you, as I see you’re using “IF” more. Let’s just enjoy the season and see who of the Big 3 in the Atlantic emerges out of the division. IF Boston knocks out their other top dog rivals Tampa and Toronto, I’ll be thoroughly impressed and you can root your horn.

It's not ancient history. Look it up on hockey reference. If you do, you will discover that your top three regular seasons are: 100, 100, 103.

I prefer to get back to 2018, myself. I think that we have a reasonable chance to be at 700 till the end, seeing as we did it for the last 81 games (= Cassidy's tenure. Started in February 2017). I think it's more of a reasonable chance than you guys going 623, seeing that you only done it once for 82 games in 03/04.

 

[BayStreetBully]

It's not ancient history. Look it up on hockey reference. If you do, you will discover that your top three regular seasons are: 100, 100, 103.

I prefer to get back to 2018, myself. I think that we have a reasonable chance to be at 700 till the end, seeing as we did it for the last 81 games (= Cassidy's tenure. Started in February 2017). I think it's more of a reasonable chance than you guys going 623, seeing that you only done it once for 82 games in 03/04.

A genuine thanks for the tip. Yes, the Leafs have more cups and the Bruins have better regular seasons over history.

I don’t really care if the Leafs go 600 or 700 the rest of the regular season. Toronto has already proven itself to be a member of the Big 3 of the Atlantic no matter what they do over the next month or two. Boston should be focusing more on the playoffs and not trying to win the regular season standings championship. This isn’t European soccer. Let’s just agree that the winner amongst the equal Big 3 of the Atlantic will be decided in the playoffs!

 

[BruinLVGA]

So you post a stupid premise, get called on it, and then refute it with something that doesn't have anything to do with the stupid premise?

Well done.

What is stupid is to assume that my post you just quoted was to refute your original statement.
If I wanted to waste more time, I would explain to you how historical data is used in pretty much every field to forecast future events, but I think that probably it would be a little too much for you.
So I simply tried to explain how 704 is much superior to 623, also given all context that applies here & that you can think of. You still didn't understand it. Good job.

 

[LeafFever]

We should get an answer tonight when TB plays Toronto. Toronto played Boston a week ago, and there was a definite tier discrepancy in that game. Here is their 2nd chance to show they belong with Boston and TB.

Good for Boston. They managed to beat the Leafs once in the past two years.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Much like Boston getting Toronto on their 3rd game in 4 nights while Boston never had to leave home for 9 days.

Yep...

Or maybe it's this: you won 4 straight games, by a combined score of 16-3, including the last two games by 5-0, 4-0... Then you got COMPLETELY dominated by Boston (lucky it was only 4-1)... Then you went on to win another 3 straight games, by a combined score of 16-9.
W, W, W, W, L, W, W, W. 32-12 in the victories, 1-4 in the loss.

But "we were tired for that lone game! That's why we lost"... Yup, gotta be it, not that you met a team that completely OWNED you.

 

[BruinLVGA]

A genuine thanks for the tip. Yes, the Leafs have more cups and the Bruins have better regular seasons over history.

I don’t really care if the Leafs go 600 or 700 the rest of the regular season. Toronto has already proven itself to be a member of the Big 3 of the Atlantic no matter what they do over the next month or two. Boston should be focusing more on the playoffs and not trying to win the regular season standings championship. This isn’t European soccer. Let’s just agree that the winner amongst the equal Big 3 of the Atlantic will be decided in the playoffs!

Big 2 1/2.

 

[Cotton]

It's not ancient history. Look it up on hockey reference. If you do, you will discover that your top three regular seasons are: 100, 100, 103.

I prefer to get back to 2018, myself. I think that we have a reasonable chance to be at 700 till the end, seeing as we did it for the last 81 games (= Cassidy's tenure. Started in February 2017). I think it's more of a reasonable chance than you guys going 623, seeing that you only done it once for 82 games in 03/04.

So the Leafs

It's not difficult. Current performance (704, 623) over a significant sample of games (2/3rds of the season) is a good indicator of what level teams are.
704>>>>>623, with no context.
704>>>623, with the "easier schedule" that you guys always mention.
704>>>>>>>623, considering the ton of injuries we had.
All things considered (the "easier schedule", the injuries, etc etc), 704>>>>>623.

That’s not how context works, the context indicate if all things were equal Boston wouldn’t be 704 as their soft schedule and hot streaks has aided in inflating their numbers. This is why I was arguing the teams are closer than you are making them out to be.

Let me give you an example, TWS said the Leafs playing Tampa tonight will be revealing, you responded by adding the context of the Leafs being on a roll vs a Tampa team not playing great, saying Toronto has a good chance of winning and are lucky for the matchup at this time. See?

The context to Boston being .704 reveals the .704 is inflated. But you are ignoring the context and repeating .704 as proof of something the context refutes.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Big 2 1/2.

I don’t see any separation between the Big 3 in the standings, that I don’t even know who the “1/2” refers to, if you don’t make yourself clear. Separation? Not this year, at least. (Next year, I expect regression from the old team, maintained pace from the team in its prime, and improvement from the young team).

But I agree this year, no separation amongst the equal Big 3.

 

[BruinLVGA]

So the Leafs



That’s not how context works, the context indicate if all things were equal Boston wouldn’t be 704 as their soft schedule and hot streaks has aided in inflating their numbers. This is why I was arguing the teams are closer than you are making them out to be.

Let me give you an example, TWS said the Leafs playing Tampa tonight will be revealing, you responded by adding the context of the Leafs being on a roll vs a Tampa team not playing great, saying Toronto has a good chance of winning and are lucky for the matchup at this time. See?

The context to Boston being .704 reveals the .704 is inflated. But you are ignoring the context and repeating .704 as proof of something the context refutes.

Let me understand... Are you saying that the schedule of the Bruins influenced their performance, but at the same time injuries to the tune of 130 men games, that saw the Bruins play with 60-70% of the roster for the first 25+ games, didn't?

 

[Cotton]

If I wanted to waste more time, I would explain to you how historical data is used in pretty much every field to forecast future events, but I think that probably it would be a little too much for you.
So I simply tried to explain how 704 is much superior to 623, also given all context that applies here & that you can think of.

What the...

What does historical NHL data have to do with anything relating to 2018, did Babcock coach the Leafs for the past 100 years. Same management, personnel?


This guys digging in worse than anyone I’ve ever seen boys. He’s basically got his fingers in his ears and is humming away.