My guess is you only watch his TikToks. It’s painfully obvious you don’t watch him play and anyone who does and understands the game will think your post is hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."
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anezthes
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He’s on pace for 29pts on a full season lol.
You don’t drop that dramatically by just being unlucky
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You can’t make this stuff up. Granted, he included Johansen as a cap dump from Colorado, all while ignoring that Dvorak is also a cap dump with an even higher cap hit. Dvorak and Johansen are more or less a wash which leaves the mighty Monahan with a value of Ritchie plus a first. It’s amazing how much value the guy has after going to Montreal. LolHe seriously said Monahan and Dvorak are worth a 1st and Calum Ritchie? Embarrassing. Yikes!
He also posted that since Struble is better than Romanov, that Struble should receive no less than a 13th overall pick.
I feel like he has to be trolling with the stuff he posts.
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I’d say watch a game when he’s playing…. First half of the year he played injured learning a new system and working on dzone/away from puck play.
Also 20 games (a good portion of those injured) isn’t exactly a great sample size…. Then again you could be 1 of those posters that thought caufield based on a 20 game sample size was a 60 goal scorer under MSL.
Dude no matter how many times someone repeats “watch the games” a guy who’s supposed to be an offensive weapon putting up only 7pts in 20 games is objectively bad.
If Raymond did the same, who everyone outside of Wings fans said was worse than Zehra’s, he would be judged accordingly.
FiveTacos
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Perhaps, but he also had 2 points in his first 12 games while moving positions from game to game due to the Carlsson thing (and frankly he's not a good fit with Leo based on that initial sample). And coming right back after injury he had 5 in 8 games (really 7 considering he got hurt early in that game) ... 5 in 7 is near his usual point pace, he was pretty much looking back to his usual self.
There's a certain degree of where no he's not had a great offensive season, but are you really weighting a 12 and 8 game injury-interrupted sample over 2 full seasons of data?
No I’m not saying he’s going to turn out to be a bad player or that this is any kind of his norm, but it’s just been a bad season for him, injuries included.
It happens, but it could raise some eyebrows with management who clearly aren’t afraid of making some out of nowhere big/risky moves.
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That’s better said than your original post…. Where it’s very easy to see where bad luck+ playing injured and playing within a new system could def hurt your production in a small sample size.
Like @FiveTacos pointed out, he did have a bad first 12 games…. After missing camp with a new coach/system and playing injured…. But after he went to IR he started producing along the lines of normal production from him.
The season itself is kinda a throw away season now that he broke his ankle, not sure if he’ll play anymore games this year
FiveTacos
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Fine, but just realize you're ultimately talking not even about a 20 game sample, since his last games track with his prior production. You're really basing it on his first 12 games this year. If the Ducks are dumb enough to dump a 22 year old player based on a 12 game sample from two months ago then they should fire Verbeek literally right now.
I mean you can’t really just pick and choose your samples during a season to determine how his season has gone, but sure.
FiveTacos
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That's sort of literally what you did. Those 12 games heavily skews his numbers, but you're putting so much weight on them that his subsequent 7 games means ... What exactly?
Is a 12 game sample substantially more meaningful than the most recent 7?
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My sample is his whole season to date…
I’ve already stated that doesn’t mean he’s bad or he’s not valuable, but no matter how you swing it, producing at a 29pt pace as an offense first player is simply a bad season, no matter system changes or injury.
All I’m saying is he wouldn’t be the first young guy traded after a poor season. Take Tyler. Seguin for example who was traded just one season after leading his team in scoring as a 19yo because he had a poor season by his standards and didn’t fit the system/culture that an aggressive GM was trying to build.
Although in his case it wasn’t a poor season because of system/inujuries it’s because the guy couldn’t stop partying
FiveTacos
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I totally could see them moving him as a bad fit. But I don't think GMs around the league are going to look at his body of work this season and say "yeah he's a 29 point player," they're far more likely to say "based on two years and the games he played C this year he's still a 60 point guy at C and probably not nearly good at LW.". But I'm guessing anyone even considering a Zegras trade would be looking for a C anyway.
If they really do trade Zegras on the cheap because of a poor 12 games and call that a "poor season" I think they'd be fully justified in firing Verbeek immediately. That's just monumentally stupid.
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I watch him play, understand the game, think their post is serious and I'm applauding their intellect.
7 points
Are you serious? His "whole season" is 20 games - the same 20 games where he missed camp, adjusted to a new system/coach, and played injured.
The prior 2 years, he was a 60+ point player. That was on a team where, if there was reasonable talent around him, he's an 80 point player.
Zegras has had a bad stretch. It doesn't change the fact that he's a very valuable player/asset and the ducks have literally no reason to: (i) doubt he'll be a 60+ point player going forward; and/or (ii) fire sell him now. He's not untouchable, but there ducks would have to be overwhelmed with the offer to trade him IMO.
If 7 points is all you have then I seriously doubt you’ve paid attention at all. Good effort though with your weak minded narrative. Sorry Zegras ruined your video game.
Still with all of this being said would any team be willing to pay the Ducks price for him as everyone has seen his career so far.
That's why most guys don't get traded even when it probably would be the best thing for the player and the team.
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Why would Zegras ruin any video games I own? Your victim complex over the past few months is getting tiring. Even if Zegras was on pace for his career high of 65 points, it would still be terrible considering his poor defense. 65 points also isn't that great considering how much easier it is to score the last few years due to goalie equipment reduction. Even so, he's on pace for 28 points.
His play two years prior has literally nothing to do with how his season THIS year is going.
Which is what this whole conversation is about. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, I’d love to have him on the Wings behind Larkin, but it’s objectively a bad season
ManofSteel55
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The Ducks are in a scenario where they have to be careful. They can't hold on to young guys with a future just because they have shown they are good, but they also can't dump them for more futures, unless they are planning to extend or re-start their rebuild. They obviously see something in Gauthier they really like (or something in Drysdale they are okay moving on from), but with Zegras it might be different. He's shown to have the skill of a superstar, but if he isn't overly interested in team play or improving his all around game, he isn't so good you can ignore that. It will be hard for the Ducks to get another player of the same caliber, but with so much young offensive talent in their system right now, that might be okay. Not that I'm suggesting they lose the trade or anything like that, but looking for a more "Verbeek" like player might help them move forward sooner than later.
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That’s the thing, he’s taken steps in the right direction in terms of being a team player, and playing as part of the system and his defensive game. But people don’t want to see that because it’s easier to hate him because he did a Michigan goal and was cover of the game.
as for drysdale, I don’t necessarily think he was on the block…. But a guy PV feels fits what he wants to build became available and Philly wanted drysdale+ and nothing else was going to get it done. I’d guess we offered zellweger/lunea + first but Philly likely wanted a piece that could help now… and be a big part of their future.
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