Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."

[nbwingsfan]

This is a trade the Ducks could lose handily if they aren't careful.
Lots of star players didn't really learn to do anything but score until they got a bit older and wiser.

Yeah it backfired quite horribly for Boston when they moved on from Seguin after a bad season/immaturity.

Sometimes these trades can be seen as a kick in the ass for these types of players and they change their game afterwards

 

[ole ole]

Yeah Zegras is definitely a 3rd line C type player.



Jebus. I mean the type of guy Cam would favor.



So you think LA fans would trade Danault for Zegras?



So when are you posting your proposal?

Like him hopefully we are not interested.

 

[ole ole]

This year's first

It better be top 10 protected.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It better be top 10 protected.

top 3 protected.

 

[ole ole]

he's still a 60 point guy at C and probably not nearly good at LW.". But I'm guessing anyone even considering a Zegras trade would be looking for a C anyway.

This is the reason the Habs should stay away. We have Dach and Suzuki as our C's. No one should be trading for Zegras to play 3rd line C.

 

[bossram]

That’s the thing, he’s taken steps in the right direction in terms of being a team player, and playing as part of the system and his defensive game. But people don’t want to see that because it’s easier to hate him because he did a Michigan goal and was cover of the game.

Yep. I've watched some ANA games where Zegras was in the lineup. I was surprised at his work ethic and grit on the forecheck. Definitely was more committed to a rounded-game.

This would be a great buy-low spot for a team. Obviously Zegras has more offensive potential than the point totals thus far. Some team could end up with a very good player. It doesn't make sense for ANA to trade him when his value is as low as it could be.

 

[ole ole]

top 3 protected.

Pass . If we are trading an early 1st it better be for a Winger because we have Suzuki and Dach at C

 

[Ducks]

The peanut gallery of people in this thread who don't watch Zegras every night, but look at his points and think they know the whole story is hilarious. Also, where did all this talk about Zegras not being interested in team play come from? He is a pass first play driver on whatever line he's on. He's constantly serving up chances to the rest of the team. It's not his fault that they fail to capitalize. This team is atrocious, but Zegras is one of the bright spots despite basically being injured all season and not showing up on the scorecard.

 

[Ducks]

Zegras is not the reason the Ducks are bad, and there's basically zero chance that any trade involving Zegras right now would bring back a package that is better for the ducks than Zegras himself. So, like Ducks fans have been saying in here all along, the trade rumors are rubbish and we're happy to keep him.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pass . If we are trading an early 1st it better be for a Winger because we have Suzuki and Dach at C

You do realize Zegras put up much higher #'s as a center than dach has to this point? If dach is the 2c of the future for you... you might be in trouble.

He also was trending as good as suzuki as a centerman, but younger, and more upside.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

The Ducks would be idiots if they moved Zegras (coming from a Kings fan), but I'd be happy to see him leave. The Kings do have his WJC line-mates in Turcotte and Kaliyev , if he wants to move up the coast a little bit.

 

[duckpuck]

His play two years prior has literally nothing to do with how his season THIS year is going.

Which is what this whole conversation is about. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, I’d love to have him on the Wings behind Larkin, but it’s objectively a bad season

No - the conversation is about the VALUE of Zegras in a hypothetical trade. You're using this season - 20 games - as the reason for suggesting Zegras' value is diminished - all while ignoring prior seasons where he played at a high level over an extended period.

No one here is debating how this season is going for Zegras. It is unquestionably a bad season due to a variety of factors, notably including injury. It is also largely irrelevant to his trade value given his track record, age, low floor, and very high ceiling. It is perfectly reasonable for a team's fanbase to say they don't want to pay the price to acquire Zegras. But it is unreasonable to cherry pick a 20 game stretch and draw any real conclusions from it.

 

[ole ole]

You do realize Zegras put up much higher #'s as a center than dach has to this point? If dach is the 2c of the future for you... you might be in trouble.

He also was trending as good as suzuki as a centerman, but younger, and more upside.

Dach as our 2nd line C plus keeping our 1st is better than Zegras as our 2nd and losing our 1st and now what do we do with Dach?
Keep our top 2 C and use that 1st to get another good winger if possible.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Dach as our 2nd line C plus keeping our 1st is better than Zegras as our 2nd and losing our 1st and now what do we do with Dach?
Keep our top 2 C and use that 1st to get another good winger if possible.

You could move dach, you could put him at 3c…. You could put zegras at lw or rw on either of your top 2 lines

Who are you getting around the 10 pick that is better than zegras? I mean I feel like at that pick in this draft you’re hoping for zegras

I mean I know Montreal only drafts future hall of famers, so maybe I’m in the wrong. I do recall caufield being a lock for 50 goals with MSL as coach

 

[ole ole]

You could move dach, you could put him at 3c…. You could put zegras at lw or rw on either of your top 2 lines

Who are you getting around the 10 pick that is better than zegras? I mean I feel like at that pick in this draft you’re hoping for zegras

I mean I know Montreal only drafts future hall of famers, so maybe I’m in the wrong. I do recall caufield being a lock for 50 goals with MSL as coach

Right now we are sitting in the 7th spot. I can easily see us dropping down to the 5th. Now that is a lottery draft pick.

The last remarks were a bit childish don't you think.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No - the conversation is about the VALUE of Zegras in a hypothetical trade. You're using this season - 20 games - as the reason for suggesting Zegras' value is diminished - all while ignoring prior seasons where he played at a high level over an extended period.

No one here is debating how this season is going for Zegras. It is unquestionably a bad season due to a variety of factors, notably including injury. It is also largely irrelevant to his trade value given his track record, age, low floor, and very high ceiling. It is perfectly reasonable for a team's fanbase to say they don't want to pay the price to acquire Zegras. But it is unreasonable to cherry pick a 20 game stretch and draw any real conclusions from it.

I’ve never once talked about the value of Zegras and have exclusively talked about how the season is going for him this year and why the GM may consider moving him with several Ducks fans.
Maybe read the the thread first before jumping on a comment

 

[HuGort]

Yup. Flashy player but doesn’t commit to play when he doesn’t have the puck. But if he has it him to add playing the right way he could be a very special player.

Has to be warts on him or he wouldn't be available

 

[Fatass]

Has to be warts on him or he wouldn't be available

Agreed. But Zegras has skills that cannot be taught. He could bust but if a club can get him to play the right way he could be a very important piece. It’s a big gamble though.

 

[HuGort]

Agreed. But Zegras has skills that cannot be taught. He could bust but if a club can get him to play the right way he could be a very important piece. It’s a big gamble though.

Zegras is highly skilled but risk there also. No way we can part with our first pick for him. Unless Habs go on big run in second half.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Has to be warts on him or he wouldn't be available

No one actually knows if he’s available, seems like a lot of assumptions/guessing to this point

 

[Fatass]

Zegras is highly skilled but risk there also. No way we can part with our first pick for him. Unless Habs go on big run in second half.

Agreed. Imo Zegras has limited value. He’s a huge gamble at this point, especially considering his contract. But he does have special skills. If he had the character to compete, and not just be flashy, he could be a really good player.

No one actually knows if he’s available, seems like a lot of assumptions/guessing to this point

Imo the Ducksxwould be very happy to move on from Zegras.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Any potential trade of Zegras wouldn’t be to remove a locker room cancer, to make him happy, because of some perceived bad blood because of a holdout, or because some other team wants him for peanuts. It would be to markedly improve the team.

If the offer doesn’t actually improve the Ducks, it’s not happening.

Both of the articles referenced are pure speculation. Except this :

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Earlier this week, TSN’s Darren Dreger said the Ducks weren’t shopping Zegras and were working with him to improve his overall game. That was before Zegras’ latest injury.
The speculation again :

Dreger also mentioned that this situation could be worth monitoring as it could come to a head during the summer. Given how things have gone for Zegras, it wouldn’t be surprising if Verbeek will be willing to entertain offers for an offseason deal.

The key phrase from the 100% speculative Athletic article : “So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks would move on from Zegras, if the right deal came along.”

 

[dracom]

Agreed. Imo Zegras has limited value. He’s a huge gamble at this point, especially considering his contract. But he does have special skills. If he had the character to compete, and not just be flashy, he could be a really good player.


Imo the Ducksxwould be very happy to move on from Zegras.

what makes people say he doesn't have the "character to compete"? he's actively made an effort this season to play a more well rounded game this season. but i guess cause he has personality that means he just doesn't have "character to compete". what nonsense lol

why would the Ducks be happy to move on from Zegras? what team would ever be happy to move on from a 22 year old who put up back to back 60+ seasons?

 

[LuGBuG]

Why would Zegras ruin any video games I own? Your victim complex over the past few months is getting tiring. Even if Zegras was on pace for his career high of 65 points, it would still be terrible considering his poor defense. 65 points also isn't that great considering how much easier it is to score the last few years due to goalie equipment reduction. Even so, he's on pace for 28 points.

No what is tiring is someone who trashes a players game that they don’t watch, take anything into context, no coaches quotes, no advanced stats, no eye test and bash them no matter what’s going to happen.

Last thread you were saying “2 points”. Now you are saying “7 points” without even entertaining maybe his offense was coming back after injury with 5 points and 3 goals in 7 games back from a 20 game absence. This injury was completely unlucky and there is an entire article with quotes from Cronin about how dangerous he was offensively in the first 12 games and unlucky. I’d send it but you won’t read it anyway.

Also anyone who has watched him play in the little amount he has this year can 100% attempt to his better commitments to the entire game. Have their been bumps? Yes. Toronto game and Blue Jackets game stand out to me.

So it’s not a victim complex here that’s tiring. It’s watching every game a player has played, reading about it, looking at stats then seeing someone who thinks they are so knowledgeable on a subject they don’t even pay attention too say “he sux”.

Zegras did something to hurt your feelings and that’s a tough look bud.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Agreed. But Zegras has skills that cannot be taught. He could bust but if a club can get him to play the right way he could be a very important piece. It’s a big gamble though.

Curious how a player can be a “bust” who’s already played at the level that Zegras has during his first two seasons? Are you suggesting that he just forgot how to play hockey and this limited 20 game, injury riddled season, could now be his norm? Seems really shortsighted.