Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As a GM...

You trade for Zegras, he does great and signs for a reasonable long term contract.

You trade for Zegras, he does great and wants to be paid top dollar or he's heading for UFA.

The players previous negotiation will not be ignored.

The value will be different and it depends on the risk appetite of the GM. I'm not saying that the risk makes him valueless, just somewhat lower.

Zegras play already justifies contract lvl of boldy/cozens/caufield. I’m sure that’s stuff that would be discussed, but any gm trading for zegras is trading for him under the mindset he’ll be a long term top line player for them

 

[HabsAddict]

If he does great, then the team that has him (Ducks or otherwise) probably will gladly pay him top dollar. But isn't that a better problem than trading for a guy who you know is less likely to merit a big deal because he just doesn't have as much upside? Go after Kakko if that's what you want. Some of the proposals that won't get you near Zegras might be enough for KK.

So would the Habs, so would any team. Heck, he's a steal at 10x8 if he's a 100+ point 1C.

Is he?

That's part of the trade calculations.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So would the Habs, so would any team. Heck, he's a steal at 10x8 if he's a 100+ point 1C.

Is he?

That's part of the trade calculations.

i think a team trading for him is trading for him thinking he has top line playmaker ability whether it be winger/center. Likely want to buy him as a top 6 winger/center…. But doubt the ducks are selling him as anything less than a top line player

 

[HabsAddict]

Zegras play already justifies contract lvl of boldy/cozens/caufield. I’m sure that’s stuff that would be discussed, but any gm trading for zegras is trading for him under the mindset he’ll be a long term top line player for them

CC is just under 8x8 and of course I love to see him, Suzuki and CC terrorize the league.

I'm repeating myself....since this is a high cost trade, a GM will take potential signing issues as a consideration.

 

[FiveTacos]

Yeah if you think a smallish 60 point player is all he'll ever be, why would you have any interest at all? And if that's all anyone thinks he's gonna be, and his trade value is as such, then it also stands to reason no one will pay him 10x8.

OTOH if someone believes he's a good bet to achieve that status, they also aren't likely to be outbid by a team thinking he's only a 2nd liner.

But in any case, he's a far better bet to become a core offensive player than anyone you're likely to draft this year outside of Celebrini.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

CC is just under 8x8 and of course I love to see him, Suzuki and CC terrorize the league.

I'm repeating myself....since this is a high cost trade, a GM will take potential signing issues as a consideration.

True but he’s cost controlled, so worst case is he doesn’t want to resign long term and you get some/if not all assets back assets

 

[pepperMonkey]

People just enjoy talking down on a player they want.. the fans bashing zegras the most, also have a 16 page thread about zegras on their sub forum(not to mention the trade thread being constantly about zegras)

Honestly, that's business as usual over on the Habs side. We could easily go over 10 pages talking about a 13th forward tweener (that no one has ever heard of), arguing whether he has NHL potential or is headed to become the next equipment handler.

 

[FiveTacos]

So would the Habs, so would any team. Heck, he's a steal at 10x8 if he's a 100+ point 1C.

Is he?

That's part of the trade calculations.

If you want a guy who you don't have to ask "Is he?" and you want team control for a lot of years and you want him to be a playoff type guy, there's a phrase for that ... Only available in your dreams. Even the "too much for Zegras" packages suggested won't get you a guy like that, not even close.

 

[HabsAddict]

If you want a guy who you don't have to ask "Is he?" and you want team control for a lot of years and you want him to be a playoff type guy, there's a phrase for that ... Only available in your dreams. Even the "too much for Zegras" packages suggested won't get you a guy like that, not even close.

Not really.

If someone wanted to trade for Suzuki or Caufield, we already know what they will do in the playoffs. You can extend that to Ghule, Dach and other young guys who are already showing a winning attitude.

And yes, it's not a fantasy that one pays serious assets and expects a serious return.

 

[FiveTacos]

Not really.

If someone wanted to trade for Suzuki or Caufield, we already know what they will do in the playoffs. You can extend that to Ghule, Dach and other young guys who are already showing a winning attitude.

And yes, it's not a fantasy that one pays serious assets and expects a serious return.

You don't think Zegras is a serious return? Because guys a tier up (more productive or more potential or more talented) you won't get for what you think is too much for Zegras. Name a more desirable under 22 forward, they're probably not available at all barring a legit star in his prime coming back, not picks and prospects.

 

[HabsAddict]

A.....If you want a guy who you don't have to ask "Is he?" and you want team control for a lot of years and you want him to be a playoff type guy, there's a phrase for that ... Only available in your dreams. Even the "too much for Zegras" packages suggested won't get you a guy like that, not even close.


B......"You don't think Zegras is a serious return? Because guys a tier up (more productive or more potential or more talented) you won't get for what you think is too much for Zegras. Name a more desirable under 22 forward, they're probably not available at all barring a legit star in his prime coming back, not picks and prospects."

A and B are contradicting themselves.

Let's just leave it at this and move on....

 

[Ducks]

So are we. So is every team that is rebuilding.

What we have is an abundance of LHDs and high picks. They are on the line for projected top 6. Better yet, already in the NHL and showing who they are.

Okay so we're not good trading partners. I think this has been said 100 times in this thread already.

What do you want Ducks fans to say in this thread? You're asking for a 22 year old who projects as a top line player, with back to back 60+ point seasons under his belt. We're deep on LHD and our prospect pool is better than yours. What can you give us that would be more valuable to us than Zegras? I have yet to find one offer here that even entices Ducks fans to be willing to give up Zegras.

 

[HabsAddict]

Okay so we're not good trading partners. I think this has been said 100 times in this thread already.

What do you want Ducks fans to say in this thread? You're asking for a 22 year old who projects as a top line player, with back to back 60+ point seasons under his belt. We're deep on LHD and our prospect pool is better than yours. What can you give us that would be more valuable to us than Zegras? I have yet to find one offer here that even entices Ducks fans to be willing to give up Zegras.

Currently other then a draft choice/choices, nothing.

We need forwards and particularly a center and there are other solutions. Hopefully we can draft one this round and sign Monahan for a few years.....then put this to rest.

 

[FiveTacos]

A.....If you want a guy who you don't have to ask "Is he?" and you want team control for a lot of years and you want him to be a playoff type guy, there's a phrase for that ... Only available in your dreams. Even the "too much for Zegras" packages suggested won't get you a guy like that, not even close.


B......"You don't think Zegras is a serious return? Because guys a tier up (more productive or more potential or more talented) you won't get for what you think is too much for Zegras. Name a more desirable under 22 forward, they're probably not available at all barring a legit star in his prime coming back, not picks and prospects."

A and B are contradicting themselves.

Let's just leave it at this and move on....

How so? I'm just saying young guys better than Zegras aren't realistically available. Certainly not for picks and prospects. But the kind of return it would take for a team to give up, say, Fantilli, or the Celebrini pick ... There's always a price, but only in fantasy world would it be offered.

 

[HabsAddict]

How so? I'm just saying young guys better than Zegras aren't realistically available. Certainly not for picks and prospects. But the kind of return it would take for a team to give up, say, Fantilli, or the Celebrini pick ... There's always a price, but only in fantasy world would it be offered.

I know they are not. Unless Hutson or another defenseman becomes a star, draft choices are not going to bring in stars.

The only point I was arguing was the potential, POTENTIAL issues that Zegras or any other similar trade might bring. Last year it was Dubois and 80% of us thought that it would be a good/great trade. That went sideways and a dodged bullet.

I have 4 other players in mind, less then Zegras value but they will "likely" make the team better. Unfortunatly people think that only draft choices make great teams. If that's true how come the Rangers went down for a few years and came back while Sabres are struggling after years and years of "building". It takes more then just draft picks, there has to be a bigger strategy across the board on asset management.

 

[viceroy]

You don't think Zegras is a serious return? Because guys a tier up (more productive or more potential or more talented) you won't get for what you think is too much for Zegras.

We know. The only real way to get your hands on a true difference maker 1st line Centre is to draft one. So no, we won't give you our Habs 1st rounder. Who knows maybe we win the draft and get Celebrini or Catton turns out good for us.

 

[FiveTacos]

We know. The only real way to get your hands on a true difference maker 1st line Centre is to draft one.

Pretty much. Although depending on the particular draft a high probability 1c might not even be available after the first few picks.

Honestly it's a roll of the dice no matter how you go. Draft is no guarantee, the right guy has to be available when you pick and you have to identify him correctly. Trading for a 1c occasionally happens but only if there's a different risk involved, like injury, attitude, age, impending FA, etc. Otherwise they wouldn't be available in the first place. It's never cheap either.

And lastly comes trading for young guys who have flashed potential to be a 1c but haven't broken out yet. But in some ways that's no different than the draft, except there's a higher floor.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Pat Verbeek is in attendance at MSG tonight….Zegras to NYR CONFIRMED

Joking, but Pat is there. You normally dont see the GM scouting live unless it’s something serious or close.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Pat Verbeek is in attendance at MSG tonight….Zegras to NYR CONFIRMED

Joking, but Pat is there. You normally dont see the GM scouting live unless it’s something serious or close.

Vatrano?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Adam Henrique come on down

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Vatrano?

Adam Henrique come on down

Probably one of the 2. Likely Adam.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pat Verbeek is in attendance at MSG tonight….Zegras to NYR CONFIRMED

Joking, but Pat is there. You normally dont see the GM scouting live unless it’s something serious or close.

He was at the Carolina game yesterday

He must be cookin, 3 way trade inc

 

[Rooch]

This trade was proposed on NHL Network today:

COL: Henrique (partially retained)
ANA: COL 1st 2024
BUF: COL 4th 2024 (for retaining another portion of Henrique's deal)

F-Bomb Boudreau was on the segment and he immediately gave it the thumbs-down because he doesn't think Rico should warrant a 1st. But after Rupp said he kind of liked the deal, Boudreau warmed to it too.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Shiny and new enough to catch McCrimmon's attention in Vegas, and with Stone being perpetually out for one injury or another and the Cap going up, they could make room for him.

Just sayin'.

 

[dracom]

Shiny and new enough to catch McCrimmon's attention in Vegas, and with Stone being perpetually out for one injury or another and the Cap going up, they could make room for him.

Just sayin'.

with what assets lol