Reading the Sharks board, they are really down on Murray to the point of wanting to give him away. I've always seen him as a good player but he really seems to be struggling this year.
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Reading the Sharks board, they are really down on Murray to the point of wanting to give him away. I've always seen him as a good player but he really seems to be struggling this year.
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That's why I think it would be profitable to pluck him, a change of scenery could do him really well. At worst he'd be an upgrade on Alberts which will be a great benefit in the playoffs.
I would love Murray as a 7th dman but not sure how he fits into the top 6 without an injury. Haven't watched him enough recently to know if he is a pylon of not. Would we trade Luongo to S.J.? Havlat, Murray, Bprospect, draft pick. Raymond, Alberts Luongo? Do not know Havlat's and Murray contracts. A lot would depend on that but it would be a good trade for both club for this year. I do not think there are many options to use cap space up this year. Raymond Luongo and Alberts are all gone in the offseason two for nothing. Perhaps you could be an higher pick for Luongo in the off season but at the cost of these playoffs. 7th dman> backup goalie in playoffs for Canucks.
And I wish fans would give players more than a 2 game grace period after coming off two major surgeries and 10 months without playing hockey before advocating trading them away.
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Lateral? If you mean stepping laterally off the curb into traffic, then yes, I agree.
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Gillis will not be trading for O'Reilly, we know how much he loves players with their fathers involved.
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Can someone tape Kesler's eyes open and make him watch players passing to each other in games?
He can't dangle the world around defensemen and it's getting old real quick.
He can't dangle the world around defensemen and it's getting old real quick.
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Seems to me that the parts on defence not fitting together properly is at the top of the list of things wrong with this team right now.
This idea of trying to force Edler to the right side just feels like
. Bieksa and Hamhuis both seem to be suffering apart, and with the Ballard-Tanev pairing still looking pretty good and showing clear chemistry...Garrison really just seems the odd man out, despite slowly improving here. And ideally you want him in the top-4 at that price tag and what he could bring to the table.
There's just not much freedom to repair the situation, with essentially 5 of the top 6 guys unmoveable, either due to NTCs (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison) or new contracts and value (Edler) or cheap youth and potential (Tanev).
Leaving Ballard the one moveable part there. And between the fact that he's playing well now and the relatively low value likely on the market...moving him now isn't particularly appealing.
If we could even swap for a 'theoretical' RH version of what Ballard is playing like now, i think the net upgrade of just stabilizing the pairings would be pretty significant. But that player doesn't seem to be out there. And even if there were just the right player to fit that need, we've seen time and time again that new blueliners typically have a pretty steep learning curve while they adjust to playing here under AV. So there would be no guarantees they'd be up to speed before the playoffs.
It just seems like Gillis has really painted himself into a corner with the contracts on defence, for this year at least.
There are two guys i'd look at who are LH shooters but have established track records being comfortable on the Right Side though, as about the closest thing to swapping Ballard for a 'right side Ballard'.
Andrej Meszaros out of Philly seems like he could be a good fit. Big mobile guy. Not sure if Philly would be willing to move him as they're a bit thin on the blueline already it seems. But if they don't manage to claw their way into a playoff spot maybe? Or maybe they'd entertain a Ballard+ offer. Add a pick and/or prospect like Connauton who won't play in Vancouver anyway...they'd fill out their depth on the blueline a bit and it might not be that much of a downgrade from Meszaros to Ballard if he manages to find a fit in their system.
Ron Hainsey out of Winnipeg also seems like he'd fit as a bit of a stabilizing presence on the Right side with Edler. And with Hainsey an impending UFA and Winnipeg well out of the playoff hunt already, he seems like a prime candidate to be moved out. Some package of pick(s) and/or lower level prospect(s) ought to get it done. Or who knows if they'd have some interest in a swap around Hainsey for Ballard. They'd get a bit younger, and while Ballard's contract isn't good...having him signed for the future would at least give them some certainty that he would stick around going forward.
To me at least, the blueline would look more solid if you can get everyone on a side they're comfortable with and hopefully partners with some chemistry. Something like:
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Hamhuis-Bieksa (puts our great shutdown pairing back together as it should be).
Edler-Meszaros/Hainsey (gets Edler back on the Left side where he belongs).
Garrison-Tanev (a second sort of 'shutdown pairing' and lets Garrison anchor his own pairing, rather than having to clean up after Edler disastering around on his wrong side).
This idea of trying to force Edler to the right side just feels like
. Bieksa and Hamhuis both seem to be suffering apart, and with the Ballard-Tanev pairing still looking pretty good and showing clear chemistry...Garrison really just seems the odd man out, despite slowly improving here. And ideally you want him in the top-4 at that price tag and what he could bring to the table.There's just not much freedom to repair the situation, with essentially 5 of the top 6 guys unmoveable, either due to NTCs (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison) or new contracts and value (Edler) or cheap youth and potential (Tanev).
Leaving Ballard the one moveable part there. And between the fact that he's playing well now and the relatively low value likely on the market...moving him now isn't particularly appealing.
If we could even swap for a 'theoretical' RH version of what Ballard is playing like now, i think the net upgrade of just stabilizing the pairings would be pretty significant. But that player doesn't seem to be out there. And even if there were just the right player to fit that need, we've seen time and time again that new blueliners typically have a pretty steep learning curve while they adjust to playing here under AV. So there would be no guarantees they'd be up to speed before the playoffs.
It just seems like Gillis has really painted himself into a corner with the contracts on defence, for this year at least.
There are two guys i'd look at who are LH shooters but have established track records being comfortable on the Right Side though, as about the closest thing to swapping Ballard for a 'right side Ballard'.
Andrej Meszaros out of Philly seems like he could be a good fit. Big mobile guy. Not sure if Philly would be willing to move him as they're a bit thin on the blueline already it seems. But if they don't manage to claw their way into a playoff spot maybe? Or maybe they'd entertain a Ballard+ offer. Add a pick and/or prospect like Connauton who won't play in Vancouver anyway...they'd fill out their depth on the blueline a bit and it might not be that much of a downgrade from Meszaros to Ballard if he manages to find a fit in their system.
Ron Hainsey out of Winnipeg also seems like he'd fit as a bit of a stabilizing presence on the Right side with Edler. And with Hainsey an impending UFA and Winnipeg well out of the playoff hunt already, he seems like a prime candidate to be moved out. Some package of pick(s) and/or lower level prospect(s) ought to get it done. Or who knows if they'd have some interest in a swap around Hainsey for Ballard. They'd get a bit younger, and while Ballard's contract isn't good...having him signed for the future would at least give them some certainty that he would stick around going forward.
To me at least, the blueline would look more solid if you can get everyone on a side they're comfortable with and hopefully partners with some chemistry. Something like:
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Hamhuis-Bieksa (puts our great shutdown pairing back together as it should be).
Edler-Meszaros/Hainsey (gets Edler back on the Left side where he belongs).
Garrison-Tanev (a second sort of 'shutdown pairing' and lets Garrison anchor his own pairing, rather than having to clean up after Edler disastering around on his wrong side).
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Seems to me that the parts on defence not fitting together properly is at the top of the list of things wrong with this team right now.
This idea of trying to force Edler to the right side just feels like
There's just not much freedom to repair the situation, with essentially 5 of the top 6 guys unmoveable, either due to NTCs (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison) or new contracts and value (Edler) or cheap youth and potential (Tanev).
Leaving Ballard the one moveable part there. And between the fact that he's playing well now and the relatively low value likely on the market...moving him now isn't particularly appealing.
If we could even swap for a 'theoretical' RH version of what Ballard is playing like now, i think the net upgrade of just stabilizing the pairings would be pretty significant. But that player doesn't seem to be out there. And even if there were just the right player to fit that need, we've seen time and time again that new blueliners typically have a pretty steep learning curve while they adjust to playing here under AV. So there would be no guarantees they'd be up to speed before the playoffs.
It just seems like Gillis has really painted himself into a corner with the contracts on defence, for this year at least.
There are two guys i'd look at who are LH shooters but have established track records being comfortable on the Right Side though, as about the closest thing to swapping Ballard for a 'right side Ballard'.
Andrej Meszaros out of Philly seems like he could be a good fit. Big mobile guy. Not sure if Philly would be willing to move him as they're a bit thin on the blueline already it seems. But if they don't manage to claw their way into a playoff spot maybe? Or maybe they'd entertain a Ballard+ offer. Add a pick and/or prospect like Connauton who won't play in Vancouver anyway...they'd fill out their depth on the blueline a bit and it might not be that much of a downgrade from Meszaros to Ballard if he manages to find a fit in their system.
Ron Hainsey out of Winnipeg also seems like he'd fit as a bit of a stabilizing presence on the Right side with Edler. And with Hainsey an impending UFA and Winnipeg well out of the playoff hunt already, he seems like a prime candidate to be moved out. Some package of pick(s) and/or lower level prospect(s) ought to get it done. Or who knows if they'd have some interest in a swap around Hainsey for Ballard. They'd get a bit younger, and while Ballard's contract isn't good...having him signed for the future would at least give them some certainty that he would stick around going forward.
To me at least, the blueline would look more solid if you can get everyone on a side they're comfortable with and hopefully partners with some chemistry. Something like:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hamhuis-Bieksa (puts our great shutdown pairing back together as it should be).
Edler-Meszaros/Hainsey (gets Edler back on the Left side where he belongs).
Garrison-Tanev (a second sort of 'shutdown pairing' and lets Garrison anchor his own pairing, rather than having to clean up after Edler disastering around on his wrong side).
A move should be considered. Does Streit out of NYI play the right side comfortably? I'd even trade Ballard++ for Ehrhoff to return.
Wonder if Buffalo is regretting the contract. The next few years are all that matter for us anyway, if we win a Cup, nobody cares if we get screwed by his contract. If we don't, buyout and rebuild etc.
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I don't know how he would mesh with the room, but a guy like Konopka could be a good fit for what some are looking for on the 4th line. Very good left-handed facoeffs (57% this year, 58.9% last year), extremely physical (some would say a goon). Is he the definition of a plug offensively? Sure. But he also pushes the play forward so far this season (28.1% offensive zone start, 45.3% finish) and had good numbers with Ottawa in the playoffs last season.
Also to piggyback on another point brought up, I think Garrison-Tanev would be a great pairing as I think Tanev plays a similar low-event game to Mike Weaver who Garrison had a lot of success with in Florida. I think they aren't doing that right now because they are in a way "showcasing" Ballard for a trade and also because there isn't exactly a good history with a Ballard-Bieka pairing.
Also to piggyback on another point brought up, I think Garrison-Tanev would be a great pairing as I think Tanev plays a similar low-event game to Mike Weaver who Garrison had a lot of success with in Florida. I think they aren't doing that right now because they are in a way "showcasing" Ballard for a trade and also because there isn't exactly a good history with a Ballard-Bieka pairing.
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The fact you don't have David Booth as even a consideration for this player is exactly what is wrong with him and his contract. If the Canucks want to add a skilled, impact player up front they'll be in tough with Booth's contract on the books. Which is why I think his days in Vancouver are numbered.
That player you're refering to was Cody Hodgson. Unfortunately he's moved on and left us with 2 skilled forwards and a slew of guys that aren't dynamic or creative.
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yeah if murray's ok with sitting i'd love to have him as a 7th dman as he actually uses his size on a consistent basis and stands up for teammates unlike that creampuff alberts
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He also makes $2.5 million. Douglas Murray is one of my favourite players in the league but he's been terrible so far this season and it doesn't make any sense to carry a contract as expensive as his if the player isn't iced regularly.
I'd maybe look to buy low in the summer and replace Ballard with Doug but that's about it.
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