Rumor: The All Encompassing Trevor Zegras Thread

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What would you give up to get Zegras?

  • Habs 24 1st (Top 5 protected)

    Votes: 10 3.7%
  • Habs 25 1st (Top 5 protected)

    Votes: 9 3.4%
  • WPG 24 1st OR Cal 25 1st + forward and defense prospect (e.g. Mesar & Barron)

    Votes: 98 36.7%
  • WPG 24 1st AND Cal 25 1st + forward and defense prospect (e.g. Mesar & Barron)

    Votes: 34 12.7%
  • Habs 24 1st (Top 5 protected) AND WPG 24 1st AND Cal 25 1st

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Some other combination of 1st round picks and prospects

    Votes: 30 11.2%
  • Nothing - Zegras has too many red flags and will kill the culture

    Votes: 85 31.8%

  • Total voters
    267

Walksss

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I don't really see the point in gambling on a prospect that could produce 60 points as opposed to trading the pick for a soon to be 23 year old who already has 2 60+ point seasons with little to no help. As you mentioned, some of the prospects may bring that same production as Zegras while also bringing other factors that Zegras lacks, but they also aren't guaranteed to score 60 points a season like Zegras did twice already. I'm not 100% on the get Zegras at all costs boat because it's hard to overlook all his flaws, but to say that you'd prefer a forward with 2nd line upside over the guaranteed 2nd liner doesn't make much sense.

Yeah but points aren't created equally. There's a difference between a soft perimeter player 60 points and a much harder heavier style player putting up points in your top 6.

The problem I have with Zegras in our top 6 (besides the potential acquisition cost) is we already have CC who is a dynamic scorer but very one-dimensional already. Adding in a second similar player limits our options while we round out the last position. It feels like if you acquired Zegras but then Demidov was miraculously available at your pick you wouldn't be creating the right structure in your top 6 if you took him.

I'd rather HuGo look to acquire the more well-rounded, heavier, down low top 6er for this spot, it's obviously far more effective for playoff hockey. It's true we'll still need a very talented scorer or 2 more to compete for anything but I'd prefer a guy capable of playing a more playoff-oriented game, especially since I don't want Cole going anywhere.

Not sure who the solution is but a soft top 6 is what I'm hoping to avoid in this iteration of the rebuild. Slaf and Dach is a nice start but let's round it out with another 2 bigger skilled bodies and we're going places.
 
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BaseballCoach

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Yeah but points aren't created equally. There's a difference between a soft perimeter player 60 points and a much harder heavier style player putting up points I'm your top 6.

The problem I have with Zegras in our top 6 (besides the potential acquisition cost) is we already have CC who is a dynamic scorer but very one-dimensional already. Adding in a second similar player limits our options while we round out the last position. It feels like if you acquired Zegras but then Demidov was miraculously available at your pick you wouldn't be creating the right structure in your top 6 if you took him.

I'd rather HuGo look to acquire the more well-rounded, heavier, down low top 6er for this spot, it's obviously far more effective for playoff hockey. It's true we'll still need a very talented scorer or 2 more to compete for anything but I'd prefer a guy capable of playing a more playoff-oriented game, especially since I don't want Cole going anywhere.

Not sure who the solution is but a soft top 6 is what I'm hoping to avoid in this iteration of the rebuild. Slaf and Dach is a nice start but let's round it out with 2 more bigger skilled bodies and we're going places.
Balanced thinking.

The only way I give up the Habs first is if get BOTH Zegras AND a heavier-game NHL ready middle-six player.

I'm ok with the Jets or Flames pick plus a non-core prospect for Zegras alone, and I'm also ok with a Romanov-Dach type deal using Barron, Struble or Xhekaj but not Guhle, or Mailloux. On the fence on Hutson, but it may not matter as no one is likely to give us a mid-first for him.
 
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Intangir

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I get that Zegras is a very interesting target for us, I really do. He plays a skilled, puck-dominant type of game where his very nice tools allow him to beat defenders one-on-one for a chance or score nice goals on the rush.

Stylistically, Zegras' type of game would mesh well with a guy like Dach, whose physical and more well-rounded play as a center would benefit from Z's great playmaking and good speed.

Hughes has hinted at targetting a (loosely paraphrasing him here, don't quote me) "young, talented, but also already somewhat-proven player", which to me means that he might be willing to pay more than people expect as players of that ilk would cost a LOT to acquire in trade if they're still young to boot.

I personally think our 1st in this year's draft (provided we don't luck-out and win a top-3 spot in the lottery) would surely be in play for the kind of player Hughes seems to be targetting, alongside more assets even in a package for the "right" player.

Taking a fast, cursory look around the league for those types of "young and talented, also reasonably-established forwards", there are actually a certain quantity of other young-ish players besides Zegras that could potentially be had in trade if we pony-up good assets/packages.

And of those, I personally really like Martin Necas as a possible trade target alongside Zegras.

I just think Necas would be a great fit for our team. Necas is, fast, talented, smart, good in transition and on the forecheck, isn't a soft player, normally plays hard, and just seems to be a consummate professional out there.

I personally think Necas would be great as a right-winger on Dach's line; giving it yet more speed, skill, and a little bit of size too. Necas also only just turned 25 in January, so his age would fit in great with that of the rest of our core.

And the reason why I think he might be available is that while Necas has been playing incredibly well since late December and he's been producing very well from that point on, he also clashed a bit with Brind'Amour at training camp and at the start of the season.

The Hurricanes' coaching staff's tweaked the teams' schemes/systems during the offseason, and Necas had trouble adapting early on while also being singled-out by Brind'Amour for not playing the best defense.

And that factor, coupled with the Hurricanes also being a bit tight in salary cap-space given the quantity of departing players they'd need to sign to raises (Teravainen, Jarvis, Pesce, Skjei, Necas, alongside at least 6-8 other skaters for $35M) might mean that the Canes' front office would be open to trading Necas for a big haul and then putting the money that would've been used-up by his raise elsewhere to better help sustain success for their team.

Incidentally, there have also been some hazy rumors suggesting we'd be looking at a guy like Mittelstadt. But I think that they hold little ground, and that Buffalo will sign him and trade someone else instead to clear their forward logjam, like say, Jack Quinn, who has had trouble staying healthy the last two/three years.

So yeah, that's it from me. Have a nice morning/afternoon/evening/night, and cheers.
 
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vokiel

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Dach and Newhook are important pieces to the rebuilt team (assuming Dach can stay healthy). Another long term injury and they should plan the rebuild without him. Ridiculous comaparison. Eller and Deharnais were garbage compared to Dach/Newhook.
Both Dach and Newhook will be happy if their careers are even slightly below Eller and Desharnais's career numbers.

That's if they remain healthy for extensive periods of time, which is not a given at all.
 

BLONG7

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Both Dach and Newhook will be happy if their careers are even slightly below Eller and Desharnais's career numbers.

That's if they remain healthy for extensive periods of time, which is not a given at all.
I think most on here, will quietly agree to disagree with you.....
 

CAUFIELD

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We suffer a lot for a high 1st round pick. I don’t want to see it traded for Zegras.

Winnipeg 1st + Barron or Struble. Something around that .
 
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domiwroze

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I'm curious to see if Marty could work his magic with Zegras. Just like Caufield and now Slaf, they became offensive dynamo without turning the puck over and over again like they did early in their career, I really wonder if Zegras could be the next project.

No need to become a PK specialist either, just not a liability defensively.

We clearly need offense and skills, for WPG or CGY's 1st + , I'm willing to risk it.

Cole - Suz - Slaf
Zegras - Dach - ?(newhook)*

*Until we develop/sign/trade a real good top6 PWF
 

Naslundforever

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Embarrassing and helping with the HFHabs fans stereotypes imo.
The 4 day break does not help… I’m not sure how talking about hockey on a hockey forum is embarrassing but this specific rumour does not seem to hold much weight.

I am 100% on the “Get us some stars soon, at least one game-changing top 6“… I find the collection of prospects and draft pick completely useless if those players don’t take the team to the next level on the ice, which (maybe?) one or 2 might on D eventually so far, and that’s the end of it.

I’m not suggesting Zegras is the guy, however these conversations about actual roster players is exactly what I hope to hear a lot more of through the trade deadline, draft and Jul 1st.
 

ohiohabsfan29

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im sorry but thats such an ignorant comment Zegras is alot more then just a michigan goal scorer matter fact the Habs havent seen an offensive talent like Z in over a decade
If he’s such an “offensive talent”, to paraphrase the Billy Beane character in Moneyball, “if he’s such a goal scorer, why doesn’t he score more?”

He‘s got two 23 goal seasons (in a full season and a basically full season) and was on pace this year for a 12.

He hasn’t even hit Suzuki or Caufield’s career high in goals yet but he’s an offensive talent we haven’t seen in a decade? Not buying it.
 

Nico Cauzuki

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If he’s such an “offensive talent”, to paraphrase the Billy Beane character in Moneyball, “if he’s such a goal scorer, why doesn’t he score more?”

He‘s got two 23 goal seasons (in a full season and a basically full season) and was on pace this year for a 12.

He hasn’t even hit Suzuki or Caufield’s career high in goals yet but he’s an offensive talent we haven’t seen in a decade? Not buying it.
well this obviously shows me you know nothing about Z hes not a goal scorer hes a playmaker and can drive a line
 
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ohiohabsfan29

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well this obviously shows me you know nothing about Z because hes not a goal scorer hes a playmaker and can drive a line

So the greatest offensive talent we have seen in a decade, his career high in points is 65.

Max Domi had 72 a couple of years ago. And nobody is touting him as the greatest anything.
 

Saundies

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If we trade for him, Zegras would be the best "proven young player" acquisition Hughes has done so far. Many people didn't love the Dach trade when it was first made, and, although they both look like good moves, the injuries to him and Newhook have dampened it a little.
 

Ozmodiar

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Acquire talent when the opportunity arises.

They could roll a 2nd line of 2nd chance 1st round centers.
Zegras - Dach - Newhook

It’d allow them to go BPA in the draft, in the event that a D is best on the board. Also, if the pick is a F, no need to rush him into the top 6.
 

Goalfield13

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If we trade for Zegras, I see him playing LW: Zegras-Suzuki-Slaf. That frees up Caufield to play with Dach. That would give us two very good lines to roll out.
 

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