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If Hayes got PP time, the debate this entire summer would've been: "Who do we keep, Hayes or Zibanejad"?

6 PP goals in 83 minutes last season. Vesey has 6 in 238 across the last two seasons. Bless up, AV. Hayes had a higher G/60 on the PP last year than Ovechkin (4.33 vs 3.01).
 
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The best part is they can keep both Hayes and Zibanejad and it won’t be an issue long term

But *murmurs* the front office knows that they’re doing guys we just have to trust them
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
The best part is they can keep both Hayes and Zibanejad and it won’t be an issue long term

But *murmurs* the front office knows that they’re doing guys we just have to trust them
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Our long-term center-depth could've should've been Stepan-Zibanejad-Hayes.

Stew on that.

At the minimum, this should've taken us through the Hank years. It's not this impossibility to maintain a competitive team and plan for the future simultaneously. anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.
 
silverfish said:
At the minimum, this should've taken us through the Hank years. It's not this impossibility to maintain a competitive team and plan for the future simultaneously. anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.
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Once again I... errr, I mean RB is right in his analysis
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Once again I... errr, I mean RB is right in his analysis
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The best part is they can keep both Hayes and Zibanejad and it won’t be an issue long term

But *murmurs* the front office knows that they’re doing guys we just have to trust them
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That's just to easy man. We have to go through the rebuild in the proper fashion. Can't wait for Hayes to get the ice time he's deserved, and score 55+ points with another team, while he had to be a f***ing "matchup" center for Vigneault when that never should have been the case.
 
DanielBrassard said:
That's just to easy man. We have to go through the rebuild in the proper fashion. Can't wait for Hayes to get the ice time he's deserved, and score 55+ points with another team, while he had to be a ****ing "matchup" center for Vigneault when that never should have been the case.
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Can't wait for the: 'HOW COULD WE KNOW, HE NEVER DID IT HERE!?!?' takes.

WE KNOW NOW! WE KNOW!
 
Ride Mika and Hayes as your 1-2 punch. Give Chytil/Lias/Howden easy 3C usage. Namestnikov goes to LW unless the kids don't make it.
KZB
Spooner-Hayes-Fast
Vesey-Chytil-Zucc
Who's-even-left?

Edit: Oh even better, I forgot Namestnikov.

KZB
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Namestnikov-Chytil-Zucc
Fast + whichever two people are blessed enough to play with him
 
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silverfish said:
Can't wait for the: 'HOW COULD WE KNOW, HE NEVER DID IT HERE!?!?' takes.

WE KNOW NOW! WE KNOW!
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It's so frustrating. It didn't even have to come to this. What I would have given to see what this team could have done with a different coaching staff, and a different philosophy before going apeshit and rebuilding.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Ride Mika and Hayes as your 1-2 punch. Give Chytil/Lias/Howden easy 3C usage. Namestnikov goes to LW unless the kids don't make it.
KZB
Spooner-Hayes-Fast
Vesey-Chytil-Zucc
Who's-even-left?
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U are missing Namestnikov.
I would go

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Namestnikov-Andersson-Fast
Vesey-Nieves-Spooner
Beleskey

Seems like if Andersson and Chytil are both going to make the team, and Vesey is going to get top-9 minutes, someone is going to have to be traded.
 
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Now that it seems Hayes is gone by the deadline, who would you guys like to see, or at least, what do you think would be an optimal return
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Unfortunately I don’t think the two things line up. What I want and what they’ll get will vary greatly

Ultimately it will be a late 1st + B/C prospect and a low level roster player for salary reasons

He can’t bring back more than O’Reilly, I would assume

Carolina, Colorado are probably the two most likely. Winnipeg has a need at C losing Stasny but Hayes won’t sign there long term, and I think Chevy will be hesitant to trade big assests for a rental and get burned again
 
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Unfortunately I don’t think the two things line up. What I want and what they’ll get will vary greatly

Ultimately it will be a late 1st + B/C prospect and a low level roster player for salary reasons

He can’t bring back more than O’Reilly, I would assume

Carolina, Colorado are probably the two most likely. Winnipeg has a need at C losing Stasny but Hayes won’t sign there long term, and I think Chevy will be hesitant to trade big assests for a rental and get burned again
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Tend to agree. We probably won't get back more than what Stastny got from Winnipeg. A late first+ and OK prospect. Gorton screwed up big league.

Maybe get Timmins+1st from Colorado if we take back Soderberg or Wilson?
 
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Now that it seems Hayes is gone by the deadline, who would you guys like to see, or at least, what do you think would be an optimal return
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Posted it in the spec thread using Colorado as a template. We won't get a kid like Bowers, Jost, Makar, Timmins, or Kaut, but I do think something around Shyvrov, Kamenev, or Meloche could be realistic. Maybe add a pick and other filler to balance it out.

We're really screwing ourselves with Hayes only having the value of a rental.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Posted it in the spec thread using Colorado as a template. We won't get a kid like Bowers, Jost, Makar, Timmins, or Kaut, but I do think something around Shyvrov, Kamenev, or Meloche could be realistic. Maybe add a pick and other filler to balance it out.

We're really screwing ourselves with Hayes only having the value of a rental.
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I'll be honest, I don't know much about the last three guys you mentioned. If that's the case, that is pretty dissapointing though.
 
DanielBrassard said:
I'll be honest, I don't know much about the last three guys you mentioned. If that's the case, that is pretty dissapointing though.
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All three were highly touted prospects when drafted, so I chose to focus on them rather than expecting to get back one of the Avs top guys. Maybe they can snag Bowers out of the deal, but I doubt it since he was the key piece coming back from Ottawa in the Duchene deal.

I’d want Timmins.
 
I like Spooner. He just needs to keep putting up a good enough p60 to negate his bad shot attempt metrics. Ideally, you find yourself a man that can do both, but, here we are.

OT: I mean, is the roster as currently constructed not exactly what we've been trying to avoid forever? Not good enough to compete. Not bad enough to suck.

It's a long off-season, for sure... but... I don't know.
 
silverfish said:
I like Spooner. He just needs to keep putting up a good enough p60 to negate his bad shot attempt metrics. Ideally, you find yourself a man that can do both, but, here we are.

OT: I mean, is the roster as currently constructed not exactly what we've been trying to avoid forever? Not good enough to compete. Not bad enough to suck.

It's a long off-season, for sure... but... I don't know.
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At this moment, if Chytil and Andersson can produce somewhat well, and not be terrible in possession metrics, I don't think we are even close to sucking. Now if they move Hayes, Andersson and/or Chytil aren't ready, then sure they probably will struggle.
 
silverfish said:
If Hayes got PP time, the debate this entire summer would've been: "Who do we keep, Hayes or Zibanejad"?

6 PP goals in 83 minutes last season. Vesey has 6 in 238 across the last two seasons. Bless up, AV. Hayes had a higher G/60 on the PP last year than Ovechkin (4.33 vs 3.01).
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We decided Hayes was more useful on the power kill.
 
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silverfish said:
If Hayes got PP time, the debate this entire summer would've been: "Who do we keep, Hayes or Zibanejad"?

6 PP goals in 83 minutes last season. Vesey has 6 in 238 across the last two seasons. Bless up, AV. Hayes had a higher G/60 on the PP last year than Ovechkin (4.33 vs 3.01).
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So you're saying Kovalev is a hall of famer?
 
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