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The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

Deep Blue Metallic said:
It concerns me that EP apparently gets pouty about Miller trying to light a fire under his ass. Another wimpy forward, no matter how talented, might not be a great answer for the Sabres.

On too many nights I see a rudderless collection of mostly physically and emotionally soft under-achievers. EP might slide into that groove too perfectly. If they were flush with skate-through-a-wall warriors it would be a different story.
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I think this is a valid concern. It's a real risk that EP could end up falling into a depressive pout fest here.

But then we're really not any worse off than we are now. Even an under performing EP is still light years ahead of what we've been getting from Cozens.
 
BFLO said:
I think this is a valid concern. It's a real risk that EP could end up falling into a depressive pout fest here.

But then we're really not any worse off than we are now. Even an under performing EP is still light years ahead of what we've been getting from Cozens.
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I don't think that's the problem. We lack skill and maturity in the team. Why would EP be depressed if he continued to show his good level even in the Canucks, even when Miller was still angry at everyone, it just didn't start yesterday and probably this season Miller got to him completely.

 
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BFLO said:
I think this is a valid concern. It's a real risk that EP could end up falling into a depressive pout fest here.

But then we're really not any worse off than we are now. Even an under performing EP is still light years ahead of what we've been getting from Cozens.
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If a deal is doable with Cozens and picks/prospects, it's worth it. Petey is a great talent. On his game he's a legit #1C, no doubt.

Cozens+Power? Too much. Maybe I don't know when to cut losses, but I salivate at what a blueline of Dahlin (24), Byram (23), and Power (22) can be in 2-3 years. We're not exactly in win-now mode.

Otoh, Vancouver is definitely in win-now mode, although perhaps derailed by Demko's absence. I don't see what interest they'd have in a young reclamation center project and futures. They might want Tage++.

Don't think they're ideal trade partners.

Watch VGK miraculously snag Miller out of all this mess. (Joking, sorta.)
 
Deep Blue Metallic said:
If a deal is doable with Cozens and picks/prospects, it's worth it. Petey is a great talent. On his game he's a legit #1C, no doubt.

Cozens+Power? Too much. Maybe I don't know when to cut losses, but I salivate at what a blueline of Dahlin (24), Byram (23), and Power (22) can be in 2-3 years. We're not exactly in win-now mode.

Otoh, Vancouver is definitely in win-now mode, although perhaps derailed by Demko's absence. I don't see what interest they'd have in a young reclamation center project and futures. They might want Tage++.

Don't think they're ideal trade partners.

Watch VGK miraculously snag Miller out of all this mess. (Joking, sorta.)
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Replacing Byram, for example, will be much easier than getting a player like Pettersson.

We're not in win mode? Seriously? Adams has been trying to make the playoffs for two years now, if that matters. That's just the way he does it.
 
Things I learned today: Apparently my patience with Dylan Cozens has no limit.

Reading all these trade ideas and despite his struggles, I still have no desire to move him.

Power on the other hand... He even has some pretty analytics that should boost his trade value to some out there.
 
Fezzy126 said:
Things I learned today: Apparently my patience with Dylan Cozens has no limit.

Reading all these trade ideas and despite his struggles, I still have no desire to move him.

Power on the other hand... He even has some pretty analytics that should boost his trade value to some out there.
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Well, everyone has their favorites, although Cozens is not one of them for me.
 
Fjordy said:
Replacing Byram, for example, will be much easier than getting a player like Pettersson.

We're not in win mode? Seriously? Adams has been trying to make the playoffs for two years now, if that matters. That's just the way he does it.
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"win-now mode" to me means a realistic chance at a deep playoff run and, you know, maybe that big shiny thingy if everything goes right.

That ain't the Sabres at this point.
 
Deep Blue Metallic said:
"win-now mode" to me means a realistic chance at a deep playoff run and, you know, maybe that big shiny thingy if everything goes right.

That ain't the Sabres at this point.
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Maybe we should just make the playoffs first by building the roster correctly over the last five years? And then we'll see what we're missing before our owner and GM wake up from the drunken delirium they've been in for so many years.
 
Fezzy126 said:
Things I learned today: Apparently my patience with Dylan Cozens has no limit.

Reading all these trade ideas and despite his struggles, I still have no desire to move him.

Power on the other hand... He even has some pretty analytics that should boost his trade value to some out there.
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It's precisely the opposite for me.

I'm reluctant to give up on Power, despite his likely better trade value. Otoh Cozens' stellar season probably won't reoccur. He just looks so clueless out there too often - beer league comedy.

One of us might be right!

Fjordy said:
Maybe we should just make the playoffs first by building the roster correctly over the last five years? And then we'll see what we're missing before our owner and GM wake up from the drunken delirium they've been in for so many years.
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Yes, of course. Just clarifying what I meant by "win-now mode".
 
Fezzy126 said:
Things I learned today: Apparently my patience with Dylan Cozens has no limit.

Reading all these trade ideas and despite his struggles, I still have no desire to move him.

Power on the other hand... He even has some pretty analytics that should boost his trade value to some out there.
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I have the opposite reaction. when i see him in trades i reflexively lower the total value I see buffalo adding on their side. The guy is f***ing terrible and i cant wait til he's gone
 
In all honesty what other teams are trying to get EP and what do those teams have to offer right now there is a rift in the org between EP and miller/Alvin seems like petey wants out and Alvin basically said he is willing to trade him and that 11.6 mil price tag isn't doing his value any good still a valuable piece but not the franchise cornerstone value we are hyping him up as. Let's not dig ourselves in a whole and outbid ourselves Detroit doesn't have the pieces unless they are willing to move a big piece like Larkin if they are willing to part ways who is beating cozens/byram+sammy+1st as a base we have prospects like Rosen and ostlund who hold good value or do they want a guy like Krebs and Greenway we have a combo of guys we can work with we don't have to move Byram and cozens right off the bat.
 
GellMann said:
I have the opposite reaction. when i see him in trades i reflexively lower the total value I see buffalo adding on their side. The guy is f***ing terrible and i cant wait til he's gone
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"he" being Power?

Trying to be objective, I'd guess most teams would think they'd have a better chance at polishing Power's game than resurrecting Cozens'.

Higher ceiling, with a better chance to hit it. 22 year-old d-man versus 24 year-old (next month) forward. A big, puck-moving D, even with Power's current deficiencies, will always be a coveted asset.

If it's a choice between who has more value as a trade chip, send Power.

If it's a choice between who we should retain for the long-term benefit of the Sabres, bye-bye Dylan.
 
Faceboner said:
In all honesty what other teams are trying to get EP and what do those teams have to offer right now there is a rift in the org between EP and miller/Alvin seems like petey wants out and Alvin basically said he is willing to trade him and that 11.6 mil price tag isn't doing his value any good still a valuable piece but not the franchise cornerstone value we are hyping him up as. Let's not dig ourselves in a whole and outbid ourselves Detroit doesn't have the pieces unless they are willing to move a big piece like Larkin if they are willing to part ways who is beating cozens/byram+sammy+1st as a base we have prospects like Rosen and ostlund who hold good value or do they want a guy like Krebs and Greenway we have a combo of guys we can work with we don't have to move Byram and cozens right off the bat.
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Maybe Ducks and a few more teams.
 
Faceboner said:
Can't imagine McTavish holds much more value this year and zegras couldn't hand the spotlight of the ea cover maybe they have the d men to compete with us but I imagine they stay pat if they gotta use major future assets
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Well McTavish doesn't make 7 million like Cozens and he's a little younger. I don't know how short a leash Verbeek has. But Pettersson and Carlsson as their top 6 centers would probably make sense for them. And they also have these young LDs who can move the puck for a deal.

We probably have all the assets to get EP40 and the only question is whether the Canucks are willing to part with him for a good price and whether Adams (Pegula) is willing to pay for it.
 
I'd like to get Pettersson, Crouse and Kesselring. In the summer, try to add two defensemen from UFA, one vet for the third pair like Cole or Dumoulin, and the second top 4 RD to play with Power/Byram or Dahlin, someone like Kovacevic, Pionk, Fabbro. Well, if it doesn't work out, then a trade.
 
Faceboner said:
He is trying to do to much from what I see he is playing with a great motor but almost to much motor he needs to calm down and slow his role. The whole lines timing is off with eachother releasing to early or to late and out of position when the puck goes around the boards, I feel if the forwards rotated with the d to allow them to pinch more effectively we would see more zone possession we play to cautiously and end up just collapsing as soon as something goes wrong we play so nervously and the state of the team has every micro mistake magnified its like they freeze for half a second if the feel they made the wrong play analyze the play and get yelled at on the bench but play out the shift recover not scramble
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Well that's. Fixable
 
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