The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[THUNDERBURST]

I don't see any realistic deal with Detroit for Cozens.

Friedman also said the Canucks will be looking for a center for Pettersson as a key piece and likely a defenseman. There also seemed to be some mention of pick/prospect.

Cozens + Byram

Cozens + Samuelsson + pick/prospect

Cozens + Power for Pettersson+

I think the deal will still revolve around Cozens+.

 

[truthbluth]

I don't see any realistic deal with Detroit for Cozens.

Friedman also said the Canucks will be looking for a center for Pettersson as a key piece and likely a defenseman. There also seemed to be some mention of pick/prospect.

Cozens + Byram

Cozens + Samuelsson + pick/prospect

Cozens + Power for Pettersson+

I think the deal will still revolve around Cozens+.

All these ideas seem fine, but Kev has neither balls nor that authority to pull something like that off.

 

[Jim Bob]

I suppose the concussion that he got from Neil was showing there for Drury.

Or, he's been listening to Rangers fans and media and he is way overvaluing everyone on his roster.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

Or, he's been listening to Rangers fans and media and he is way overvaluing everyone on his roster.

Rangers fans on the contrary say that Ziba sucks, so it’s unlikely.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-what-happened-between-canucks-rangers/

9. Jan. 1 is the earliest players on a one-year contract can extend. One that sounds like it will happen: Eric Robinson, a good fit in Carolina. Another good bet: Edmonton’s Ty Emberson, looking strong after an initial adjustment. Can’t imagine too much trouble for Toronto and Steven Lorentz. Vancouver will try with Kevin Lankinen, but he’s earned a raise and some security. And it’s believed Buffalo will try to keep Jason Zucker.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-what-happened-between-canucks-rangers/

I hope they re-sign Zucker.

 

[TehDoak]

I hope they re-sign Zucker.

Move him at the deadline.

Guy is a an injury timebomb. At the very least wait until the end of the year to see if he actually is still healthy.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/6-trade-destinations-buffalo-sabres-dylan-cozens

Vancouver Canucks​

Why he makes sense: If you want blockbusters, baby, you hope for this trade. We know the Canucks have reached a boiling point between top two centers Elias Pettersson and J.T. Miller. Pettersson has no restrictions on his contract and cannot control his fate. Miller has a full no-movement clause. So if one has to go, it’s likely Pettersson, as outlined on Seravalli’s new Trade Targets board. Cozens, meanwhile, is a Whitehorse, Yukon native and the Canucks would represent the market closest to his hometown. It’s not too difficult to dream up a trade package sending him and British Columbia born defenseman Bowen Byram to the Canucks in a package for Pettersson.

Fly in the ointment: If the Canucks have actually painted themselves into a corner and, woof, have to trade the 26-year-old Pettersson instead of the 31-year-old Miller…shouldn’t GM Patrik Allvin aim higher than Cozens? You need a guaranteed franchise forward coming back your way, not a maybe. Whether the Canucks can hold out for a fair return depends on just how dire the dressing room situation is – and how much leverage it sucks away.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

Move him at the deadline.

Guy is a an injury timebomb. At the very least wait until the end of the year to see if he actually is still healthy.

Why? He was good for us, I don't understand the point of getting rid of a good and experienced player. And I don't believe in this situation where we trade him at TDL and then sign him again in the summer. No, we'll just f***ing replace him with Rosen and become even younger and again not make the playoffs.

Tell that to Chris Tanev and other players like him.

 

[TehDoak]

Why? He was good for us, I don't understand the point of getting rid of a good and experienced player. And I don't believe in this situation where we trade him at TDL and then sign him again in the summer. No, we'll just f***ing replace him with Rosen and become even younger and again not make the playoffs.

Tell that to Chris Tanev and other players like him.

I'm not saying we replace him with a younger player.

I'm just being realistic.

He's 33. He has an extensive injury history.

He's exceeded expectations here. But, even if he gets through this season injury free, he's unlikely to repeat it next year.

 

[Tatanka]

Nothing will happen until the Bills win the SB or are eliminated, and then it will be a shuffling of deck chairs.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

I'm not saying we replace him with a younger player.

I'm just being realistic.

He's 33. He has an extensive injury history.

He's exceeded expectations here. But, even if he gets through this season injury free, he's unlikely to repeat it next year.

Who knows what injuries he had, whether they are related or not. I also don't suggest giving him the Okposo contract, a reasonable AV for 1-2 years. I just don't know if we will find a worthy replacement for Zucker, rather I don't believe in it anymore. We will put the kids in the top 6 again and continue to fall.

Of course, if he doesn't want to resign, trade him to the TDL, otherwise I would like to resign him and add a few more vets to the team besides Zucker.

 

[HaNotsri]

I hope they re-sign Zucker.

I hope they trade him. Can sign him in summer again.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

I hope they trade him. Can sign him in summer again.

I don't believe in such a scenario, I think they always say that and it very rarely comes true. At least if they sell him, I hope they find new vets. Maybe one of them will be Iafallo.

 

[toddkaz]

Cozens to Vancouver makes too much sense.

Cozens + non-roster assets for EP would be great.

I think Cozens and Byram is too much

 

[Jim Bob]

Cozens to Vancouver makes too much sense.

Cozens + non-roster assets for EP would be great.

I think Cozens and Byram is too much

I don't think there is any chance that Cozens+futures gets it done.

If the Sabres are getting Pettersson, the package is going to hurt. You aren't getting a player like Pettersson for 3-4 pieces you are not sad to see walk out the door.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

Cozens to Vancouver makes too much sense.

Cozens + non-roster assets for EP would be great.

I think Cozens and Byram is too much

I don't think that's too much. For me looks fair deal.

I just think there is some overvaluation of Byram. He looks decent and his numbers are ok with Dahlin, but without Dahlin his numbers are as bad as Power. Power's numbers with Dahlin (although small sample size is even better than Byram's), although it is probably O-zone, but remember Jokiharju and his numbers with Dahlin, are also good. So it is obvious why this is happening. I think it will not be that difficult for us to replace Byram with a competent defenseman.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Cozens + Byram is a fair deal, but it makes the Sabres worse.

The upgrade from DC to EP does not come close to making up for the loss of the second best defenseman, playing the most minutes per game on the team after Dahlin. Adams would never make this deal, and he probably shouldn’t, even tho the value is fair on paper.

 

[thewookie1]

Cozens + Byram is a fair deal, but it makes the Sabres worse.

The upgrade from DC to EP does not come close to making up for the loss of the second best defenseman, playing the most minutes per game on the team after Dahlin. Adams would never make this deal, and he probably shouldn’t, even tho the value is fair on paper.

My question would be could it make us better in the long run then

 

[THUNDERBURST]

My question would be could it make us better in the long run then

What exactly?

 

[TageGod]

Cozens + Byram is a fair deal, but it makes the Sabres worse.

The upgrade from DC to EP does not come close to making up for the loss of the second best defenseman, playing the most minutes per game on the team after Dahlin. Adams would never make this deal, and he probably shouldn’t, even tho the value is fair on paper.

it makes us 1000% better. Byram sucks on defense, Cozens sucks. EP is elite offensively, and defensively.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

My question would be could it make us better in the long run then

Adams hasn’t found a top 4 RHD in 5 years, so I don’t have much hope that he’ll be able to fill both that hole PLUS the hole that Byram would leave.

So under another GM I’d be more willing to do something like this, someone who can identify and fill roles within a reasonable timeframe. I don’t think this move helps the team in the short or long term under Adams.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

it makes us 1000% better. Byram sucks on defense, Cozens sucks. EP is elite offensively, and defensively.

I mean, you could for example replace Byram with Fabbro in the first pair with Dahlin and maybe it would even be better, since Rasmus has a huge influence on his partner, and we would still have Power in the second pair. We just also need to create a solid second pair, not Power - Jokiharju/Bryson.

 

[Jim Bob]

it makes us 1000% better. Byram sucks on defense, Cozens sucks. EP is elite offensively, and defensively.

If that is the case, then Cozens + Byram shouldn't be anywhere near enough to land Pettersson.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

If that is the case, then Cozens + Byram shouldn't be anywhere near enough to land Pettersson.

Who knows, maybe some other part. Pettersson also wasn't a 100 point player right now and signed a big contract. This is not a situation where we are guaranteed to buy a player who scores 100 points every season. Cozens also scored almost 70 points at 21 years old. Byram won a cup and played in the top 4 and now his cost should not be low. We can look at the situation and the players from a different angle than some NHL team GM.