The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Fjordy]

Vancouver is in the market to fix a locker room issue and also fix their blueline. Offering Power straight across gives the Canucks nearly $5M in cap space going forward as well as a defenseman who has shown he can be an offensive catalyst despite playing on an inept team like Buffalo. Vancouver gets flexibility and fixes the puck moving aspect of their blueline which was essentially Quinn and no one else before Hughes went down with injury. Now it gives them a fill in for the months Hughes is out.

I get it, but they could probably also find a better deal where they get two good pieces for Pettersson. That leaves them with a hole in the top 6 C and a finicky Miller who is 32. I think teams will be willing to pay a good price for EP40 and there will be some kind of bidding war.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Do you mean last season or prior to Skinner signing his big deal?

Prior to the big deal

 

[Chainshot]

I get it, but they could probably also find a better deal where they get two good pieces for Pettersson. That leaves them with a hole in the top 6 C and a finicky Miller who is 32. I think teams will be willing to pay a good price for EP40 and there will be some kind of bidding war.

I am curious what you think is a better deal.

 

[Fjordy]

I am curious what you think is a better deal.

Well, even Byram + Cozens. Well, for example, some package from the Ducks with their young LD + McTavish as a base, Carolina was interested in Pettersson and was close to getting him and they have a lot of interesting assets. Utah, these guys could be in the game, Seattle, some other teams. One Power, who is not even better than Byram now and not that much younger than him or Byram + Cozens for example (Cozens is supposed to like Tocchet), well, I think the Canucks chose Byram + Cozens, and not just Power.

 

[Chainshot]

Well, even Byram + Cozens. Well, for example, some package from the Ducks with their young LD + McTavish as a base, Carolina was interested in Pettersson and was close to getting him and they have a lot of interesting assets. Utah, these guys could be in the game, Seattle, some other teams. One Power, who is not even better than Byram now and not that much younger than him or Byram + Cozens for example (Cozens is supposed to like Tocchet), well, I think the Canucks chose Byram + Cozens, and not just Power.

It seems like you underestimate the value of all that potential cap space. Cozens is a risk at his cap figure - if he doesn't return to form defensively, that's a lot of money on a 2nd line tweener.

As for the rest, Byram might be the better player, might not. They would still have to sign him as an RFA this summer. Power gives them cost certainty and flexibility.

 

[Jim Bob]

It seems like you underestimate the value of all that potential cap space. Cozens is a risk at his cap figure - if he doesn't return to form defensively, that's a lot of money on a 2nd line tweener.

As for the rest, Byram might be the better player, might not. They would still have to sign him as an RFA this summer. Power gives them cost certainty and flexibility.

I keep getting back to the question of "Why would Vancouver want Cozens?"

If they want a center back, Thompson seems like the obvious ask if Adams is calling.

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

I keep getting back to the question of "Why would Vancouver want Cozens?"

If they want a center back, Thompson seems like the obvious ask if Adams is calling.

Maybe they're the smartest guys in the room?

 

[thewookie1]

I keep getting back to the question of "Why would Vancouver want Cozens?"

If they want a center back, Thompson seems like the obvious ask if Adams is calling.

Vancouver has opened the door, so we don't have to offer everything

 

[ValJamesDuex]

How many people would prefer Byram in an EP40 deal vs how many people would rather trade power in that trade.

Im genuinely curious to see how it stacks up amongst us sabre fans.ill try to keep a tally to see how it varies

If I had to keep one guy, as rough as he’s been lately I’d probably keep power. I just think the ceiling is higher.

depends 100% on signs from Byrum's camp if he wants to extend. If he does want to and also wants PP time, then moving Power creates that space, but you have to add 2 D then too.

 

[Jim Bob]

Vancouver has opened the door, so we don't have to offer everything

Or, the "NHL Insiders" don't really know what the talks are like...

 

[Fjordy]

It seems like you underestimate the value of all that potential cap space. Cozens is a risk at his cap figure - if he doesn't return to form defensively, that's a lot of money on a 2nd line tweener.

As for the rest, Byram might be the better player, might not. They would still have to sign him as an RFA this summer. Power gives them cost certainty and flexibility.

But then again, if Tocchet likes him and he's his type of player and they need to replace Pettersson at center, why not. Byram is from British Columbia, I think they'd have no problem extending his contract, they could have done that early on during the trade as well. Or like trading Tkachuk to Florida. Also, you forgot about the offers from other teams and the hole they have at center after the Pettersson trade.

We can sweeten the deal if they can't get enough of Power. It's unlikely to move the needle, but you never know. The Canucks have been interested in Greenway, maybe Krebs or one of our prospects.

 

[Fjordy]

I keep getting back to the question of "Why would Vancouver want Cozens?"

If they want a center back, Thompson seems like the obvious ask if Adams is calling.

Because Tocchet likes Cozens (that's what Canucks fan told me). His type of player, physical, fast. He continues to play center, it's not like his career at center is forever buried, maybe they know how to fix it and I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed.

 

[RWatson29]

I’m curious as to where Byram’s camp would be at regarding resigning. Idk if they’d be willing to sign long term with the log jam we have at LD? Maybe it’s changed since getting good minutes alongside Dahlin?

 

[Jim Bob]

Because Tocchet likes Cozens (that's what Canucks fan told me). His type of player, physical, fast. He continues to play center, it's not like his career at center is forever buried, maybe they know how to fix it and I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed.

I would think that what Patrik Allvin likes in a player would be more important than what Tocchet wants.

Allvin is making the trade and not Tocchet.

I’m curious as to where Byram’s camp would be at regarding resigning. Idk if they’d be willing to sign long term with the log jam we have at LD? Maybe it’s changed since getting good minutes alongside Dahlin?

I wonder if Adams wants to pay the $1.5-2M per year more for a long term extension for Byram on top of whether Byram wants to sign long term or go the Necas route and get to UFA ASAP.

 

[RWatson29]

Cozens, Byram, Quinn on his list

I would think that what Patrik Allvin likes in a player would be more important than what Tocchet wants.

Allvin is making the trade and not Tocchet.


I wonder if Adams wants to pay the $1.5-2M per year more for a long term extension for Byram on top of whether Byram wants to sign long term or go the Necas route and get to UFA ASAP.

Yeah I’m not sure. They’ve had to a while I think since July 1 to try and work on something. Maybe he does want a bigger role. It’s just almost every team has a #1 guy already or one coming up to play the PP. Idk it’s a hard situation I guess

 

[Fjordy]

I would think that what Patrik Allvin likes in a player would be more important than what Tocchet wants.

Allvin is making the trade and not Tocchet.

But Tocchet is the one who puts the team on the ice and coaches them. Of course, the GM can have his own thoughts and ideas, but it's for his own good, so that it's easier for the coach to manage it. There are a lot of teams who are interested in Cozens, and I don't think they think he's a cap dump or completely broken. They know he's on a terrible team, and most of the players on that team are leaving and doing well. They also see his stats and his pros and cons. I think those teams think they can fix him.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

But Tocchet is the one who puts the team on the ice and coaches them. Of course, the GM can have his own thoughts and ideas, but it's for his own good, so that it's easier for the coach to manage it. There are a lot of people who are interested in Cozens, and I don't think they think he's a cap dump or completely broken. They know he's on a terrible team, and most of the players on that team are leaving and doing well. They also see his stats and his pros and cons. I think those teams think they can fix him.

Coaches have input to the g/m into deals, I know Granato did with Greenway and others for ie.

 

[RWatson29]

And in honesty if we trade one of power/byram and say buy out Samuelsson In the off season they can actually rebuild they’re d group instead of just trying to fit square pegs into round holes with guys that shouldn’t even be on the roster.

I think they’d have Dahlin, 1 of power/Byram and Clifton signed for next year (1 year)
I mean they’re not going to trade for all these dmen but I could see them getting a guy via trade and signing a decent guy. But I do feel like overall if done properly it would be better constructed than what we’ve had for a while. Like they can basically say okay we have our 2 minute munching offensive pp guys. Now just get guys who can play with them. I don’t even think they need to be all world type players. Guys who can skate, move the puck a bit, but more so defend, guys like kesselring and those type. . I just think it’ll be much easier to have a better group working with an almost blank canvas. I mean even if we were able to keep byram/power/Dahlin they still need to buy out samuelsson imo and Jokiharju is a UFA so I guess they could still rebuild it that way.

 

[Fjordy]

And in honesty if we trade one of power/byram and say buy out Samuelsson In the off season they can actually rebuild they’re d group instead of just trying to fit square pegs into round holes with guys that shouldn’t even be on the roster.

I think they’d have Dahlin, 1 of power/Byram and Clifton signed for next year (1 year)
I mean they’re not going to trade for all these dmen but I could see them getting a guy via trade and signing a decent guy. But I do feel like overall if done properly it would be better constructed than what we’ve had for a while. Like they can basically say okay we have our 2 minute munching offensive pp guys. Now just get guys who can play with them. I don’t even think they need to be all world type players. Guys who can skate, move the puck a bit, but more so defend, guys like kesselring and those type. . I just think it’ll be much easier to have a better group working with an almost blank canvas. I mean even if we were able to keep byram/power/Dahlin they still need to buy out samuelsson imo and Jokiharju is a UFA so I guess they could still rebuild it that way.

Not sure if they'll buy Samuelsson byuout, but I think Byram - Kesselring would be a really good second pair. I'd also kick the tires on Crouse, maybe he could be available and the price would be a little less. He seems like a perfect replacement for Greenway in terms of style of play and defensive competence, but he's also had multiple 40+ points and 20+ goals seasons.

 

[Jim Bob]

Coaches have input to the g/m into deals, I know Granato did with Greenway and others for ie.

Some GMs give their head coach a big say in a trade. Some do not.

I do not believe we really know how much say Tocchet has with something like this and if he really like Cozens or not.

 

[RWatson29]

Not sure if they'll buy Samuelsson byuout, but I think Byram - Kesselring would be a really good second pair. I'd also kick the tires on Crouse, maybe he could be available and the price would be a little less. He seems like a perfect replacement for Greenway in terms of style of play and defensive competence, but he's also had multiple 40+ points and 20+ goals seasons.

Yeah I just think this off season if Samuelsson was to be bought out it’s worth nothing. Like 871k for 8 years or something.it would just be a way to get off his long term contract and replace him with a guy similar value at less term and dollar. If they wait longer it’s just going to cost too much. I mean it’s tough decision

 

[Fjordy]

Yeah I just think this off season if Samuelsson was to be bought out it’s worth nothing. Like 871k for 8 years or something.it would just be a way to get off his long term contract and replace him with a guy similar value at less term and dollar. If they wait longer it’s just going to cost too much. I mean it’s tough decision

Yeah, some vet for example, who is a good person in the locker room and would help the young guys, someone like Cole or someone like that.

 

[RWatson29]

Yeah, some vet for example, who is a good person in the locker room and would help the young guys, someone like Cole or someone like that.

Yeah I think there’s some okay guys in UFA.
If you can get 1 of Fabbro/Borgen and say Cole in UFA I think that’s a big improvement. They can also look to target a guy off a team who would take futures trades or has a logjam in the off season. I think it’s time for a shuffle at D. Too many years with the same guys and it’s gone nowhere (minus byram). Figure out which one you want to keep and rehaul the group

 

[Beerz]

I would think that what Patrik Allvin likes in a player would be more important than what Tocchet wants.

Allvin is making the trade and not Tocchet.

Actually Rutherford runs the show.

 

[Fjordy]

Yeah I think there’s some okay guys in UFA.
If you can get 1 of Fabbro/Borgen and say Cole in UFA I think that’s a big improvement. They can also look to target a guy off a team who would take futures trades or has a logjam in the off season. I think it’s time for a shuffle at D. Too many years with the same guys and it’s gone nowhere (minus byram). Figure out which one you want to keep and rehaul the group

Borgen wasn't very good, I don't think he's the good target for our top 4. Ekblad, Kovacevic, Fabbro, Maybe Pionk.