The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Dubi Doo]

Horrible

Would've been nice to replace Joki with Marino.

 

[Fjordy]

Would've been nice to replace Joki with Marino.

I mean without Dahlin and Thompson it looks really weak. But I agree about Marino, I've been talking about this for several years now.

 

[jc17]

"If not done right, they do it again."

What a concept!

I swear I remember a tweet from when Granato took over about how he made them redo a drill that wasn't good enough, and the tweeter said they never saw that under krueger lol. I think it was harrington

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Even at full strength, the C depth is really shaky. TT and Cozens will have to stay healthy AND improve at both ends. Without that, any slump they go through will have no option to fall back on. McLeod/Krebs barely cuts it for two bottom-6 Cs, and I'm not sure they actually cut it. Quinn/Peterka have to step up to offset the loss of Skinner's production, because Zucker won't be doing that. So that's a net-zero gain too. Then on D we're hoping Jokiharju finds another gear he has yet to show, and hope Byram can become a defensively sound player that he has yet to show.

The gap between last season and reaching the playoffs this season has to be covered by internal improvement off-setting the loss of a top-6 C and LW, Ruff and a better 4th line. That's a lot of hope.

 

[Big Wood]

Krebs makes 13, Rousek first call-up first half of the season, Kulich first call-up second half of the season. This is the way.

Kulich makes the team...

 

[GrierIsGod123]

Even at full strength, the C depth is really shaky. TT and Cozens will have to stay healthy AND improve at both ends. Without that, any slump they go through will have no option to fall back on. McLeod/Krebs barely cuts it for two bottom-6 Cs, and I'm not sure they actually cut it. Quinn/Peterka have to step up to offset the loss of Skinner's production, because Zucker won't be doing that. So that's a net-zero gain too. Then on D we're hoping Jokiharju finds another gear he has yet to show, and hope Byram can become a defensively sound player that he has yet to show.

The gap between last season and reaching the playoffs this season has to be covered by internal improvement off-setting the loss of a top-6 C and LW, Ruff and a better 4th line. That's a lot of hope.

I'd argue they'll have a better 3rd line as well. They haven't been able to ice a legit 3rd line at any point over the last 10 years, no joke. It's always been littered with the leftovers on the roster. I suppose at one point it was Benson Mitts and Greenway. However, due to other injuries in the top 6 (Quinn), they became a defacto top 6 line.

This year they should have a third line that has some defensive chops, an identity and some modicum of skill. I'd say Zucker (or Benson)-McLeod-Greenway is a rock solid third line that could play against other teams top players and still have a chance to score/win the possession game.

A lot will depend on which, if any prospects make the opening night roster. I'd say Kulich has the most legit shot, with Rosen with an outside chance. That could shake up the top 9 a fair bit and knock a guy like Greenway down to the 4th line, which would be a good problem to have. Let's admit it, he'd be the best player on that line. Kulich could potentially play Center and shift Cozens to the wing, which I think the organization should be looking at eventually.

Most likely though, Kulich is in Rochester and our top 13 forward group is pretty much set. Center depth is definitely a problem that started the moment they traded Mitts. They badly need someone to step up at Center ice to either replace Cozens or at least be there in case of injury. The same could be said at top 6 winger. This team is relying on A LOT going right this year to even have a chance at the playoffs.

 

[K8fool]

Even at full strength, the C depth is really shaky. TT and Cozens will have to stay healthy AND improve at both ends. Without that, any slump they go through will have no option to fall back on. McLeod/Krebs barely cuts it for two bottom-6 Cs, and I'm not sure they actually cut it. Quinn/Peterka have to step up to offset the loss of Skinner's production, because Zucker won't be doing that. So that's a net-zero gain too. Then on D we're hoping Jokiharju finds another gear he has yet to show, and hope Byram can become a defensively sound player that he has yet to show.

The gap between last season and reaching the playoffs this season has to be covered by internal improvement off-setting the loss of a top-6 C and LW, Ruff and a better 4th line. That's a lot of hope.

This is logical take if we talking odds for the teams that a
Were playoff teams last year compared to our injured gut check team you're accurate in describing.

Maybe f the future take and predict the first ten division games and the record after first twenty . I think a defensively soumd team w a mature 2022 lineup w some grit matches up better than a coin flip against each Atlantic team. Upl gets pissed and the team does.

Then your above speculation made fade some as they gel under new leadership and new talent w room to f up but not on d.

We'll see.


Add better acoustics w the new roof hopefully less dead areas. Cheap seat 22. For full sound. and tell the entitled to watch the game or use their phones outside because we're playing some fook in hockey here

Well not to overstep, hopefully it is as it appears to me

 

[Djp]

Kulich makes the team...

Not as a 4th liner or pressboxer.

 

[Djp]

Even at full strength, the C depth is really shaky. TT and Cozens will have to stay healthy AND improve at both ends. Without that, any slump they go through will have no option to fall back on. McLeod/Krebs barely cuts it for two bottom-6 Cs, and I'm not sure they actually cut it. Quinn/Peterka have to step up to offset the loss of Skinner's production, because Zucker won't be doing that. So that's a net-zero gain too. Then on D we're hoping Jokiharju finds another gear he has yet to show, and hope Byram can become a defensively sound player that he has yet to show.

The gap between last season and reaching the playoffs this season has to be covered by internal improvement off-setting the loss of a top-6 C and LW, Ruff and a better 4th line. That's a lot of hope.

The top 9 F lsst yr scored 165 goals.

I see top 9 getting 200
thompson 35
quinn 28
Peterka 25
benson 20
Tuch 30
Cozens 28
3C /Zucker /Greenway/other 40

They traded Mitts for D
Skinner bought out
Zucker= mitts goals
Skinner loss made up by many.

 

[debaser66]

Krebs deal is basically what most predicted.

Still a small chance Krebs blossoms into something.

But currently he seems too small and slow to play in our bottom 6, and not enough skill or speed for the top 6. He’s a guy who just kinda takes up space. Has never truly earned his spot on the roster in 3 years here.

I agree he should have been in the AHL, probably would have been better for his development

 

[Diaspora]

Not as a 4th liner or pressboxer.

It appears to me that Kulich is our seventh top-six forward, while Krebs is slotting in as our seventh bottom-six forward. If that means Kulich plays in Rochester (because he's waiver exempt) and only appears when/if there's an opening in the top six, I think you should have your 13 forwards right there.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I'd argue they'll have a better 3rd line as well. They haven't been able to ice a legit 3rd line at any point over the last 10 years, no joke. It's always been littered with the leftovers on the roster. I suppose at one point it was Benson Mitts and Greenway. However, due to other injuries in the top 6 (Quinn), they became a defacto top 6 line.

This year they should have a third line that has some defensive chops, an identity and some modicum of skill. I'd say Zucker (or Benson)-McLeod-Greenway is a rock solid third line that could play against other teams top players and still have a chance to score/win the possession game.

A lot will depend on which, if any prospects make the opening night roster. I'd say Kulich has the most legit shot, with Rosen with an outside chance. That could shake up the top 9 a fair bit and knock a guy like Greenway down to the 4th line, which would be a good problem to have. Let's admit it, he'd be the best player on that line. Kulich could potentially play Center and shift Cozens to the wing, which I think the organization should be looking at eventually.

Most likely though, Kulich is in Rochester and our top 13 forward group is pretty much set. Center depth is definitely a problem that started the moment they traded Mitts. They badly need someone to step up at Center ice to either replace Cozens or at least be there in case of injury. The same could be said at top 6 winger. This team is relying on A LOT going right this year to even have a chance at the playoffs.

Yeah if Zucker can still play and McLeod fills 3C that line can be an upgrade. I think I was posting with the puke still in my mouth when I read that Krebs was penciled in at 3C. Hopefully McLeod and Lafferty get much more ice time as the bottom-6 Cs.

The top 9 F lsst yr scored 165 goals.

I see top 9 getting 200
thompson 35
quinn 28
Peterka 25
benson 20
Tuch 30
Cozens 28
3C /Zucker /Greenway/other 40

They traded Mitts for D
Skinner bought out
Zucker= mitts goals
Skinner loss made up by many.

Wow how do you see through such deeply rose colored shades?

 

[Diaspora]

Yeah if Zucker can still play and McLeod fills 3C that line can be an upgrade. I think I was posting with the puke still in my mouth when I read that Krebs was penciled in at 3C. Hopefully McLeod and Lafferty get much more ice time as the bottom-6 Cs.


Wow how do you see through such deeply rose colored shades?

Krebs is an NHL player. He's not bad for what he's being paid, and where he's slotted in the the lineup. He's a disappointment if you expected him be a second line center, but once you drop that he's fine for where he is and should help the team. He's still young, and he has room to grow.

That said, I think McLeod is an improvement over Krebs for 3C today. And having competition in the bottom six is a really good thing. He's a disappointment if you expected Savoie to bring back a second line center, but once you drop that he's fine for where he is and should help the team. He's still young and he has a room to grow.

 

[KeepKane]

It appears to me that Kulich is our seventh top-six forward, while Krebs is slotting in as our seventh bottom-six forward. If that means Kulich plays in Rochester (because he's waiver exempt) and only appears when/if there's an opening in the top six, I think you should have your 13 forwards right there.

I agree. How I think they will run the forwards and call-ups. Say if Greenway is banged up and misses a few games. Malenstyn/Lafferty may get bumped up to play with McLeod and Zucker, while Krebs plays with Aube-Kubel and the other.

If anyone in the top 6 is out, then I think Kulich gets the first chance with Zucker/McCleod as a fall back.

 

[Big Wood]

Not as a 4th liner or pressboxer.

2nd line winger we were looking for. Right?

 

[MOGlLNY]

Wow how do you see through such deeply rose colored shades?

Not a big fan of his posts but I don’t think those numbers are crazy at all

 

[joshjull]

I'd argue they'll have a better 3rd line as well. They haven't been able to ice a legit 3rd line at any point over the last 10 years, no joke. It's always been littered with the leftovers on the roster. I suppose at one point it was Benson Mitts and Greenway. However, due to other injuries in the top 6 (Quinn), they became a defacto top 6 line.

This year they should have a third line that has some defensive chops, an identity and some modicum of skill. I'd say Zucker (or Benson)-McLeod-Greenway is a rock solid third line that could play against other teams top players and still have a chance to score/win the possession game.

A lot will depend on which, if any prospects make the opening night roster. I'd say Kulich has the most legit shot, with Rosen with an outside chance. That could shake up the top 9 a fair bit and knock a guy like Greenway down to the 4th line, which would be a good problem to have. Let's admit it, he'd be the best player on that line. Kulich could potentially play Center and shift Cozens to the wing, which I think the organization should be looking at eventually.

Most likely though, Kulich is in Rochester and our top 13 forward group is pretty much set. Center depth is definitely a problem that started the moment they traded Mitts. They badly need someone to step up at Center ice to either replace Cozens or at least be there in case of injury. The same could be said at top 6 winger. This team is relying on A LOT going right this year to even have a chance at the playoffs.

Thats not quite true. They had a pretty good one at the start of last season with Benson/Mitts/Greenway. It would have been fun to see how they would have developed throughout the season. But unfortunately the top 6 was playing like complete ass. So they were broken up and spread among the top 3 lines to get those guys going.

EDIT: You touched on that line in your post. I’m lamenting what could have been.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Friedman says in 32T today that he’s not convinced the Sabres are going to sit on the cap room. Also heard Krebs may be traded before he signed.

Bit of a shocker - assume this means he’s at least heard of them peaking around.

 

[elchud]

Coleman & Andersson would be great adds.

 

[TageGod]

The top 9 F lsst yr scored 165 goals.

I see top 9 getting 200
thompson 35
quinn 28
Peterka 25
benson 20
Tuch 30
Cozens 28
3C /Zucker /Greenway/other 40

They traded Mitts for D
Skinner bought out
Zucker= mitts goals
Skinner loss made up by many.

Thompson-40
Quinn-30
Peterka-35
Benson-10
Tuch-25
Cozens-27
Zucker 12
Mcleod 10
Kulich 14

Feels like projecting but after their awful seasons last year you have to expect higher goal totals from a lot of these guys.

 

[TehDoak]

Coleman & Andersson would be great adds.

I tend to agree, but it would largely depend on their NTCs. Andersson has a 6 team NTC, which could just be the other canadian teams, but Coleman has a 10 team approved trade list, essentially a 22 team NTC, which almost certainly includes us unless he has some personal ties to the org.

Ruff was hired the season after Coleman was traded from NJ to Tampa, so nothing there.

The reality of it is....if we don't start winning consistently, we are never going to get off of this NMC/NTCs. Nobody wants to go to a chronic loser team. They certainly don't want to go to a high tax, worse weather, rust belt city loser team.

We will also be on some NTCs, but at least if players felt they could win here, it'd at least give players second thought when we came calling.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Friedman says in 32T today that he’s not convinced the Sabres are going to sit on the cap room. Also heard Krebs may be traded before he signed.

Bit of a shocker - assume this means he’s at least heard of them peaking around.

He also reported that Adams wasn’t budging from his original offers, and it was Krebs who ultimately folded and took the deal on the table.

I’m really curious what kind of contract Krebs thought he deserved if he was trying to hold out for more. Maybe he wanted a lot of term and Adams wanted 2 years max?

Seems out to lunch for a kid with poor numbers and no established role…and still RFA.

 

[elchud]

I tend to agree, but it would largely depend on their NTCs. Andersson has a 6 team NTC, which could just be the other canadian teams, but Coleman has a 10 team approved trade list, essentially a 22 team NTC, which almost certainly includes us unless he has some personal ties to the org.

Ruff was hired the season after Coleman was traded from NJ to Tampa, so nothing there.

The reality of it is....if we don't start winning consistently, we are never going to get off of this NMC/NTCs. Nobody wants to go to a chronic loser team. They certainly don't want to go to a high tax, worse weather, rust belt city loser team.

We will also be on some NTCs, but at least if players felt they could win here, it'd at least give players second thought when we came calling.

Calgary is drafting top-5 next year i think theyd both be cool with getting off that ship. I think.

 

[Jacob582]

Friedman says in 32T today that he’s not convinced the Sabres are going to sit on the cap room. Also heard Krebs may be traded before he signed.

Bit of a shocker - assume this means he’s at least heard of them peaking around.

I was thinking of Krebs and some other pieces for Perfetti.

 

[Djp]

Wow how do you see through such deeply rose colored shades?

Peterka is down slightly
Tage, cozens and tuch are midway between last yr and yr before. If PP improves their goals this should be reachable. Improve PP bt 20 or so goals. That's one more per every 5 games

Quinn is capable if healthy
Benson improved second half so putting up 20 isnt unreasonable given Peterka jump to 28 in 2nd yr from yr 1.

Bottom 3 I have them at 13-14 which is about what they did last yr.

Friedman says in 32T today that he’s not convinced the Sabres are going to sit on the cap room. Also heard Krebs may be traded before he signed.

Bit of a shocker - assume this means he’s at least heard of them peaking around.

The issue is space beyond 24/25. The Sabres have real cap trouble given RFAs and UFAs in 25 and 26. If they were to bring in someone at at $5m+ beyond this year.what I mean is what happened with edmonton where someone OS at 2nd round rate on Quinn or peterka