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Fjordy said:
Or maybe because we haven't had a good GM and coach in a long time? I think because of that, not because they are "losers from Buffalo".

Who has regressed under Ruff now?
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I've said a few times that I think the issue is systemic and that "I think Ruff can get them there".

It's just not going to happen overnight, it isn't black and white. Ruff existing here isn't magically going to make everything work. There's a lot of bad habits still in this group, even in our best players (especially in our best players since they're mostly home grown and this NHL environment is all they've ever known). It'll take time, and work.

And I'm not saying don't take a flyer on interesting players or make a big splash for someone that can help, but even if we add a top 6 forward, we still need the other 5 guys playing well consistently if we want to get anywhere.
 
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TageGod said:
Idk if anyone else can attest to this but has anyone else noticed a lot of rebuilds.... failing lately? What are the odds Sabres Detroit Ottawa +++ all fail? Is it the new age of kids coming in with a different mentality and not having a Sidney Crosby type or a Chris Drury to really shape the prospects? Coaches have less influence/control on the players? Detroit and Ottawa attract plenty of veteran FA's every year. I am still shocked at how bad an NHL defenseman can be at playing defense.
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People are panicking here just to famn early

I posted this before

2011-12 they felt they were playoff team. Injuries to D snd killer hit the team. They started moving some vets
12/13 they thought maybe they would rebound. Thrn selling started
13/14 tanking_ rebuild
14/15 tank/ rebuild
15/16 look to improve
16/17 look to improve

19/20 vivid year
20/21 )look to compete
21/22 tank/rebuild begins
22/23 tank/rebuild
23/24 tank/rebuild
24/25 look to improve
25/26 look to improve
 
Dreakon13 said:
I've said a few times that I think the issue is systemic and that "I think Ruff can get them there".

It's just not going to happen overnight, it isn't black and white. Ruff existing here isn't magically going to make everything work. There's a lot of bad habits still in this group, even in our best players (especially in our best players since they're mostly home grown and this NHL environment is all they've ever known). It'll take time, and work.

And I'm not saying don't take a flyer on interesting players or make a big splash for someone that can help, but even if we add a top 6 forward, we still need the other 5 guys playing well consistently if we want to get anywhere.
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But first add, and then watch how they play. I'm tired of repeating, but the global problem is that we have many holes in the lineup in key positions and that our lineup is incorrectly composed. At the same time, the team is still several points away from the playoff zone. I'm not even talking about the coaching staff, where Ruff was not allowed to bring assistants with him.

This is all a clown show of idiots of the owner and GM.
 
Djp said:
The issue was insurance would cover the contract if he had that surgery
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The issue was the owner. Eichel has now won a Cup and leads the league in scoring after having the surgery. Organizations do not recover from that, and this one has and will not.
 
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ValJamesDuex said:
The issue was the owner. Eichel has now won a Cup and leads the league in scoring after having the surgery. Organizations do not recover from that, and this one has not.
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And before that, ROR won the cup, and after Eichel, Reinhart won it, the same Montour and Okposo. I think it's time for us to stop kicking good players out of town and start building a team around these players properly, otherwise it will be an eternal cycle. That's it, I'm going to bed.
 
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paulmm3 said:
From a medical standpoint, I lay some of the blame for the current state of the Sabres at the feet of the team orthopedic surgeons. They should have let Jack Eichel have an ADR like he wanted and like Vegas did instead of insisting on fusion or nothing. The evidence is equivocal and a spinal fusion is a much older and better studied procedure. His orthopedists were too uncomfortable with newer procedures. The orthopedists in Vegas and many other places felt differently. Not only did they feel uncomfortable with a new procedure many others looked at the same evidence and felt comfortable with - they felt so strong in their conviction as to run him out of town.

Our team orthopedic surgeons were wrong. Jack's artificial disc is holding up fine to an NHL workload, and he is flourishing. I would love for Jack to be our current 1C.
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Jack already wanted out and asked to be traded a year before he got hurt. He wasn’t chased out by the surgery debate. This organization deserves a lot of abuse for a lot of stupid things they’ve done. But this isn’t one of them.

Unfortunately the hockey press ate up the BS Jack’s original agents were spewing. That certainly gave a us a black eye. For once it really wasn’t deserved.
 
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ValJamesDuex said:
Good for him, a long line who had agents smart enough to get there clients out of here
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Those agents sabotaged his efforts to leave and Jack had to eventually fire them because of it. It took a far more professional agent in Brisson to come in and get the job done. Brisson focused on facilitating a trade instead of fueling a pointless pissing match like the previous agents.

But the bigger point that you missed was Jack already wanted out well before he ever got hurt. Let alone got into a fight over his treatment. I love how pointing out fact that still paints Pegula in a shitty light is viewed as defending him. :laugh:
 
joshjull said:
Those agents sabotaged his efforts to leave and Jack had to eventually fire them because of it. It took a far more professional agent in Brisson to come in and get the job done. Brisson focused on facilitating a trade instead of fueling a pointless pissing match like the previous agents.

But the bigger point that you missed was Jack already wanted out well before he ever got hurt. Let alone got into a fight over his treatment. I love how pointing out fact that still paints Pegula in a shitty light is viewed as defending him. :laugh:
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I replied to that point but was moderated apparently as were you.

You continue to overlook the surgery and what he has done since getting the F out of here.

You tell your narrative, we disagree.
 
I don’t care what you write about, really, but stick to the meat of it rather than the other poster and you won’t see me.
 
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I know Jack wasn't happy here prior to the neck surgery, but my understanding was it was the ADR vs fusion surgery that really forced the trade. If we let him get the surgery he wanted, my understanding was he still planned to play for us.

Orthopedics gets fellowship specialized after residency and I bet Buffalo doesn't have more than 1 to 3 ortho spine people. It's just a criticism of those people for being too uncomfortable with new stuff. No bearing on their surgical skills or any other ortho specialty like hand or knee. Sorry for re-litigating the Jack thing, it was just on my mind as one of the major missteps in the failed rebuild.
 
paulmm3 said:
I know Jack wasn't happy here prior to the neck surgery, but my understanding was it was the ADR vs fusion surgery that really forced the trade. If we let him get the surgery he wanted, my understanding was he still planned to play for us.

Orthopedics gets fellowship specialized after residency and I bet Buffalo doesn't have more than 1 to 3 ortho spine people. It's just a criticism of those people for being too uncomfortable with new stuff. No bearing on their surgical skills or any other ortho specialty like hand or knee. Sorry for re-litigating the Jack thing, it was just on my mind as one of the major missteps in the failed rebuild.
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your understanding is wrong.
 
ValJamesDuex said:
I replied to that point but was moderated apparently as were you.

You continue to overlook the surgery and what he has done since getting the F out of here.

You tell your narrative, we disagree.
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I think you’re projecting on me an opinion I didn’t express. I was referring to the sequence of events that led to Jack’s departure. Granted, I did it in a very simplified way.** But what he’s done since he’s left is irrelevant to a discussion about what led up to him leaving.


**the not very simplified version. I took issue with the poster I initially quoted’s framing of Jack’s departure. He made it seem as if Jack was happy as a Buffalo Sabre until the fight over his surgery. Thats simply not true. He also argued that the opinion of the orthopedic team was somehow undermining the organization. Thats not true either, several other teams medical staffs held the same opinions.

Jack wanted it out a year before he got hurt and asked for a trade. He, and others, didn’t like the direction we seemed to be taking after Pegula gutted the front office. Adams talked him into sticking around for another season. Most reports have Pegula’s reaction to the trade request as feeling betrayed by Jack and his camp.

Fast forward to his injury, discovering ADR and feeling it was best for him. The medical staff were understandably cautious about the procedure. But an owner could override their concerns. If Jack hadn’t burned a bridge with the owner with his trade request the year prior. Who’s to say how that surgery request would have been handled. But Pegula felt burned and wasn’t going to approve it Jack.


I'm not ignoring the procedure. I’m pointing out the debate over it wasn’t the initial catalyst that led to Jack’s departure. It was the final act that was heavily influenced by what came before it.
 
ValJamesDuex said:
The issue was the owner. Eichel has now won a Cup and leads the league in scoring after having the surgery. Organizations do not recover from that, and this one has and will not.
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Because the Sabres were the only org in the league that wasnt comfortable with the surgery.
 
Djp said:
People are panicking here just to famn early

I posted this before

2011-12 they felt they were playoff team. Injuries to D snd killer hit the team. They started moving some vets
12/13 they thought maybe they would rebound. Thrn selling started
13/14 tanking_ rebuild
14/15 tank/ rebuild
15/16 look to improve
16/17 look to improve

19/20 vivid year
20/21 )look to compete
21/22 tank/rebuild begins
22/23 tank/rebuild
23/24 tank/rebuild
24/25 look to improve
25/26 look to improve
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This is too friendly. The 2020’s were not tank years. Not at all. Not even a little itsy burst tiny bit.

Also it was announced last season that the expectations weren’t just to make the playoffs but to compete. “Our window opens now” or whatever…blah blah blah.

Start with an honest inventory then we can have a reasonable dialogue.
 
Djp said:
People are panicking here just to famn early

I posted this before

2011-12 they felt they were playoff team. Injuries to D snd killer hit the team. They started moving some vets
12/13 they thought maybe they would rebound. Thrn selling started
13/14 tanking_ rebuild
14/15 tank/ rebuild
15/16 look to improve
16/17 look to improve

19/20 vivid year
20/21 )look to compete
21/22 tank/rebuild begins
22/23 tank/rebuild
23/24 tank/rebuild
24/25 look to improve
25/26 look to improve
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To hell with this rebuild, I'm sick of it.

22/23 - one point from the playoffs
23/24 - GM idiot talks about playoffs and does little
24/25 - GM idiot talks about playoffs and does little

#FireAdams
 
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joshjull said:
I think you’re projecting on me an opinion I didn’t express. I was referring to the sequence of events that led to Jack’s departure. Granted, I did it in a very simplified way.** But what he’s done since he’s left is irrelevant to a discussion about what led up to him leaving.


**the not very simplified version. I took issue with the poster I initially quoted’s framing of Jack’s departure. He made it seem as if Jack was happy as a Buffalo Sabre until the fight over his surgery. Thats simply not true. He also argued that the opinion of the orthopedic team was somehow undermining the organization. Thats not true either, several other teams medical staffs held the same opinions.

Jack wanted it out a year before he got hurt and asked for a trade. He, and others, didn’t like the direction we seemed to be taking after Pegula gutted the front office. Adams talked him into sticking around for another season. Most reports have Pegula’s reaction to the trade request as feeling betrayed by Jack and his camp.

Fast forward to his injury, discovering ADR and feeling it was best for him. The medical staff were understandably cautious about the procedure. But an owner could override their concerns. If Jack hadn’t burned a bridge with the owner with his trade request the year prior. Who’s to say how that surgery request would have been handled. But Pegula felt burned and wasn’t going to approve it Jack.


I'm not ignoring the procedure. I’m pointing out the debate over it wasn’t the initial catalyst that led to Jack’s departure. It was the final act that was heavily influenced by what came before it.
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Can't wait for the Eichel book to come out one day to get the full story. The Eichel camp had information they were going to share in a interview with Friedman, then suddenly the deal with Vegas was finished (and we got stuck with Krebs).
 
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