The 2022 Hockey Hall Of Fame

[Giotrapani91]

Would you like a day or two to do some research and then edit your post, or should I just go ahead and correct you?

Yeah sure henrik sedin holds a lot of awards but turgeon does have some hardware he won’t the lady byng in 1993.

 

[wetcoast]

Dave Taylor should be in I agree as does Tim Kerr and Bernie Nichols

Gary Suter and Jeremy Roenick would be in if they didn’t piss off majority of the voters

Exactly how big of a HHOF does you want exactly?

I could see the case for JR but the others are simply lacking in HHOF resumes and needed to show more and have more on their resumes to be inducted.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

The Hall is pretty annoying with their seemingly no real guidelines.

This year is a good example.

Guys like Luongo and Alfie never won a thing in the league but were elite for a bunch of years get in.

Sedins had a couple years of dominance so they got some personal hardware but in the playoffs, not great at all...their PPG isn't exactly great obviously the narrative is huge.

Don't want to sound like im attacking these guys just wish things were little more clear.

Also Keenan should definitely be in

 

[jcs0218]

Not commenting on anyone in this year's induction class in particular....But the Hockey Hall of Fame has gotten to be almost as bad as the WWE Wrestling Hall of Fame.

No consistency in what constitutes a Hall of Fame. Far too much politics involved in whether someone has ass-kissed enough or been well-liked enough to deserve induction. Too many simply "good players" getting inducted when a Hall of Fame should strive for higher standards than that.

The vast amount of "good players" getting in has a lot to do with how the Hockey Hall of Fame tried too hard to make induction into a week-long event. They need lots of material to work with in order to make it a week-long event.

They make sure that the maximum amount of inductees gets in every year so they can have enough ceremonies and speeches to fill up an entire week.

This can often mean that some players get in on a yearly basis that probably shouldn't be in a Hall of Fame.

There are players in the Hall of Fame that were probably never a top 50 NHL player in any season that they ever played in. Or were maybe top 50 players only 1-2 seasons.

 

[The Panther]

I'm not sold on the Sedins as first ballot HOFers. If you notice there's a lot of "1x" on both of their lists. Meaning if it wasn't for one big season where things really fell into place their credentials really take a hit. Sundin was really a much better player with more consistent excellence. If you remove Sundin's best season he's still an easy HOFer. Not so with the Sedins.

My Best-Carey

This is one of the rare things you and I completely agree on...!!

I feel a bro-hug coming on....

 

[voyageur]

Exactly how big of a HHOF does you want exactly?

I could see the case for JR but the others are simply lacking in HHOF resumes and needed to show more and have more on their resumes to be inducted.

Some of the recent additions are absolutely head scratching.

I'm disappointed that guys like Rick Middleton, Bernie Nicholls never got recognition for being premier players. Mogilny for being a PPG player. Turgeon as a 500 goal scorer. JR and Theoren Fleury are PR decisions by the same HHOF that in the past voted such outstanding citizens as Doug Gilmour and Dino Ciccarelli. Fleury for me is particularly disappointing, because his career was hampered and shortened by off ice issues stemming from sexual abuse, something the NHL really wants to sweep under the rug.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

not gonna lie, i was pretty touched by brian burke up there tonight with his eyes welled up like it was his own sons going into the hall of fame

and it made me realize for the first time, what an absolutely brilliant draft day he had. everybody talks about how difficult it was to get both picks to get the sedins, but the gamesmanship is not really the brilliant part. the brilliant part is he had the 3rd overall pick in a flat out garbage draft. as burke himself said this week, "i hated the entire first round, worst first round ever." and then he turned a lemon into two glasses of lemonade.

what was that 3rd overall pick worth? maybe about as much as the 3rd overall picks that netted aki berg, jp dumont, or farther back craig wolanin. this isn't like taking kotkaniemi when brady tkachuk and quinn hughes were on the board, or even whiffing on alex svitov with mikko koivu, tuomo ruutu, and dan hamhuis on deck. this was a legit bad pick in a bad draft where your ceiling was getting a guy that would probably be a bottom of the top ten talent in most years.

Spoiler: what i thought at the time

at the time, i thought, man that was a lot to pay. bryan mccabe was a very very good young dman, and obviously he would go on to peak as an all-star (tbf we were dealing from a position of strength, having three other very very good young d in ohlund, jovanovski, and aucoin). then giving up the 2000 first rounder, a better draft and there's no guarantee we don't still suck next year—ie, that pick could have been gaborik or dany heatley. that alone felt like an overpay for the #4 pick in a crap draft. but then adding two third rounders to move up to #1 was steep (and for such a garbage draft at the top, there were real players in that third round: the first three picks after our first third rounder that went to tampa, were frank kaberle, craig anderson, and "third sedin" mattias weinhandl; several picks later, nic havelid and sebastien caron; in the six picks after the second third rounder we traded, mike comrie, branko radivojevic, and chris kelly were all drafted). burke did get a third rounder back (in 2000) when he pickswapped #1 for #2 with atlanta, though, although even though that pick was significantly higher than the two we sent away the 2000 third round was trash—the best two players from that round were kurt sauer and dom moore.

in retrospect, he added some good pieces to buy low on a B+ asset (the number one pick), knowing that when combined with his own B asset (the number three pick), you would turn both into A+ assets. i never saw that logic until just now.

 

[Know Your Enemy]

Holy f*** is the bar ever low

 

[Mohar Ikram]

Holy f*** is the bar ever low

The bar is already pretty low with the admission of Kevin Lowe back in 2020. Seriously - J.G Talbot, Brian Rafalski or Derian Hatcher are more deserving candidate if you HAVE to put d-men in the HOF after Lidstrom, Niedermayer and Zubov.

 

[gotyournose]

not gonna lie, i was pretty touched by brian burke up there tonight with his eyes welled up like it was his own sons going into the hall of fame

and it made me realize for the first time, what an absolutely brilliant draft day he had. everybody talks about how difficult it was to get both picks to get the sedins, but the gamesmanship is not really the brilliant part. the brilliant part is he had the 3rd overall pick in a flat out garbage draft. as burke himself said this week, "i hated the entire first round, worst first round ever." and then he turned a lemon into two glasses of lemonade.

what was that 3rd overall pick worth? maybe about as much as the 3rd overall picks that netted aki berg, jp dumont, or farther back craig wolanin. this isn't like taking kotkaniemi when brady tkachuk and quinn hughes were on the board, or even whiffing on alex svitov with mikko koivu, tuomo ruutu, and dan hamhuis on deck. this was a legit bad pick in a bad draft where your ceiling was getting a guy that would probably be a bottom of the top ten talent in most years.

Spoiler: what i thought at the time

at the time, i thought, man that was a lot to pay. bryan mccabe was a very very good young dman, and obviously he would go on to peak as an all-star (tbf we were dealing from a position of strength, having three other very very good young d in ohlund, jovanovski, and aucoin). then giving up the 2000 first rounder, a better draft and there's no guarantee we don't still suck next year—ie, that pick could have been gaborik or dany heatley. that alone felt like an overpay for the #4 pick in a crap draft. but then adding two third rounders to move up to #1 was steep (and for such a garbage draft at the top, there were real players in that third round: the first three picks after our first third rounder that went to tampa, were frank kaberle, craig anderson, and "third sedin" mattias weinhandl; several picks later, nic havelid and sebastien caron; in the six picks after the second third rounder we traded, mike comrie, branko radivojevic, and chris kelly were all drafted). burke did get a third rounder back (in 2000) when he pickswapped #1 for #2 with atlanta, though, although even though that pick was significantly higher than the two we sent away the 2000 third round was trash—the best two players from that round were kurt sauer and dom moore.

in retrospect, he added some good pieces to buy low on a B+ asset (the number one pick), knowing that when combined with his own B asset (the number three pick), you would turn both into A+ assets. i never saw that logic until just now.

Brian had to be the one to do it. His history with the Sedins made him the only one. Story feels complete almost. Gives me a very wholesome warm feeling thinking of their history and their hall of fame induction. No negativity whatsoever. Can’t say that about most relationships between management/GM’s and players.

 

[Voight]

The Hall is pretty annoying with their seemingly no real guidelines.

This year is a good example.

Guys like Luongo and Alfie never won a thing in the league but were elite for a bunch of years get in.

Sedins had a couple years of dominance so they got some personal hardware but in the playoffs, not great at all...their PPG isn't exactly great obviously the narrative is huge.

Don't want to sound like im attacking these guys just wish things were little more clear.

Also Keenan should definitely be in

It kind of all started when they inducted Carbonneau, Lowe and Housley. Andreychuk too.

not gonna lie, i was pretty touched by brian burke up there tonight with his eyes welled up like it was his own sons going into the hall of fame

and it made me realize for the first time, what an absolutely brilliant draft day he had. everybody talks about how difficult it was to get both picks to get the sedins, but the gamesmanship is not really the brilliant part. the brilliant part is he had the 3rd overall pick in a flat out garbage draft. as burke himself said this week, "i hated the entire first round, worst first round ever." and then he turned a lemon into two glasses of lemonade.

what was that 3rd overall pick worth? maybe about as much as the 3rd overall picks that netted aki berg, jp dumont, or farther back craig wolanin. this isn't like taking kotkaniemi when brady tkachuk and quinn hughes were on the board, or even whiffing on alex svitov with mikko koivu, tuomo ruutu, and dan hamhuis on deck. this was a legit bad pick in a bad draft where your ceiling was getting a guy that would probably be a bottom of the top ten talent in most years.

Spoiler: what i thought at the time

at the time, i thought, man that was a lot to pay. bryan mccabe was a very very good young dman, and obviously he would go on to peak as an all-star (tbf we were dealing from a position of strength, having three other very very good young d in ohlund, jovanovski, and aucoin). then giving up the 2000 first rounder, a better draft and there's no guarantee we don't still suck next year—ie, that pick could have been gaborik or dany heatley. that alone felt like an overpay for the #4 pick in a crap draft. but then adding two third rounders to move up to #1 was steep (and for such a garbage draft at the top, there were real players in that third round: the first three picks after our first third rounder that went to tampa, were frank kaberle, craig anderson, and "third sedin" mattias weinhandl; several picks later, nic havelid and sebastien caron; in the six picks after the second third rounder we traded, mike comrie, branko radivojevic, and chris kelly were all drafted). burke did get a third rounder back (in 2000) when he pickswapped #1 for #2 with atlanta, though, although even though that pick was significantly higher than the two we sent away the 2000 third round was trash—the best two players from that round were kurt sauer and dom moore.

in retrospect, he added some good pieces to buy low on a B+ asset (the number one pick), knowing that when combined with his own B asset (the number three pick), you would turn both into A+ assets. i never saw that logic until just now.

I always liked the story of how he left his daughters birthday party to close the deal. I'm sure she and his wife weren't thrilled at the time & I could be wrong but his daughter mentioned years later that she understood why he did so.

 

[voyageur]

My class for the 2023 hockey hall of fame Alexander mogilny you can’t snub him forever, Henrik lundqvist, Rod Brindamour, & Pierre turgeon. Next year he’ll have been eligible for 12 years brindamour 8, if they don’t make it next year than I have Keith tkachuk & Jeremy Roenick. Keith has been eligible 10 years, JR 11. Builder category I have Ken Hitchcock or the late Bryan Murray, & if s as female goes in I have it being Meghan Duggan & or Cassie Campbell Pascall.

Alexander Mogilny should have been in HHOF a long time ago. First Russian to defect. PPG. Stanley Cup, Gold Medal, 6x All-Star. Hard to see the selection committee choosing anyone from Russia these days though, for political reasons, and Mogilny is working in the KHL.

JR won't get in because of political reasons/hurt someone's feelings.

My boy Fleury will never get in. Too wild, wrong race (as the NHL isn't entirely inclusive) and a vocal antivaxxer will get shunned by the league).

Brind'Amour will, he's the face of one of the league's underdog feel good story American franchises. Like Lowe or Doug Wilson will credit the bonus points for career after playing hockey.

Lundvist will. Big market franchise face. Another player who never won a Cup.

Tkachuk, maybe, I could see him getting inducted.

Bryan Murray should 100% be in the HHoF.

 

[voyageur]

i liken winnipeg's decision to trade selanne and build around tkachuk to be a king lear-esque stupid decision that rivals buffalo deciding to run it back with chris drury at the expense of daniel briere and losing both.

FWIW, the decision to trade Selanne was made after the sale of the franchise, and it was the Coyotes ownership who traded him to Anaheim, and there were financial reasons in this transaction.

 

[The Panther]

At this point, they may as well have Oprah doing the Hall of Fame inductions:

The Hall of Fame is becoming like the All Star game -- an irrelevance.

 

[kaiser matias]

Alexander Mogilny should have been in HHOF a long time ago. First Russian to defect. PPG. Stanley Cup, Gold Medal, 6x All-Star. Hard to see the selection committee choosing anyone from Russia these days though, for political reasons, and Mogilny is working in the KHL.

JR won't get in because of political reasons/hurt someone's feelings.

My boy Fleury will never get in. Too wild, wrong race (as the NHL isn't entirely inclusive) and a vocal antivaxxer will get shunned by the league).

Brind'Amour will, he's the face of one of the league's underdog feel good story American franchises. Like Lowe or Doug Wilson will credit the bonus points for career after playing hockey.

Lundvist will. Big market franchise face. Another player who never won a Cup.

Tkachuk, maybe, I could see him getting inducted.

Bryan Murray should 100% be in the HHoF.

This seems an odd point considering they literally just inducted Herb Carnegie the other day.

 

[voyageur]

This seems an odd point considering they literally just inducted Herb Carnegie the other day.

Willie O'Ree is also in the HHOF, but Fred Saskamoose is not. I believe that the only 2 indigenous/metis players to make it are George Armstrong, and Bryan Trottier, and it would be hard to argue those guys didn't earn their inductions.

Anyways Fleury checks out with more points than the Sedins, in less games, more playoff points in less games, an Olympic Gold, and a Stanley Cup ring. It's definitely the off ice issues working against him.

 

[crobro]

Mogilny
Roenick
Brind’amour
Lindqvist
Rick Martin

2023

 

[pandro]

Alexander Mogilny should have been in HHOF a long time ago. First Russian to defect. PPG. Stanley Cup, Gold Medal, 6x All-Star. Hard to see the selection committee choosing anyone from Russia these days though, for political reasons, and Mogilny is working in the KHL.

Mogilny added virtually nothing to his career post 1996. His playoff perfomance was seriously underwhelming too, especially so the year he actually won the Cup.
If you remove just one season from his resume, there's no way he's ever up for discussion.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i was watching this clip yesterday from nhl tonight or something and the guy (mike johnson?) was talking up alex mogilny for the hall of fame next year and saying, well mogilny about the same amount points as both sedin

and i kind of wonder whether ppl on tv say this because they are just that stupid, or if they just need something to talk about and assume (rightly?) that most of their viewers are that stupid

but i digress. all this mogilny talk is making me think about pat lafontaine. tbh i don't love lafontaine in the hall. by the standard that has been set, he absolutely belongs, but if it were my hall he would be below the line. but i don't think i've ever seen anyone questioning lafontaine's place in the hall.

so for all those complaining about the sedins making it, aren't the sedins just lafontaine with longevity, a finals, and the one team/face of the franchise bump?

one absolutely monster season each, one other superstar calibre season each, five or six really good but not great seasons, and then a few work in progress early years. the difference is the sedins played six extra seasons and were each incredibly durable over their careers. lafontaine, not so durable.

 

[seventieslord]

Willie O'Ree is also in the HHOF, but Fred Saskamoose is not. I believe that the only 2 indigenous/metis players to make it are George Armstrong, and Bryan Trottier, and it would be hard to argue those guys didn't earn their inductions.

Anyways Fleury checks out with more points than the Sedins, in less games, more playoff points in less games, an Olympic Gold, and a Stanley Cup ring. It's definitely the off ice issues working against him.

Sasakamoose

 

[Albatros]

Mogilny added virtually nothing to his career post 1996. His playoff perfomance was seriously underwhelming too, especially so the year he actually won the Cup.
If you remove just one season from his resume, there's no way he's ever up for discussion.

Stanley Cup (triple gold club) & Lady Byng, over 200 NHL goals. Finished his career above ppg so hardly a compiler either.

 

[kaiser matias]

Willie O'Ree is also in the HHOF, but Fred Saskamoose is not. I believe that the only 2 indigenous/metis players to make it are George Armstrong, and Bryan Trottier, and it would be hard to argue those guys didn't earn their inductions.

Anyways Fleury checks out with more points than the Sedins, in less games, more playoff points in less games, an Olympic Gold, and a Stanley Cup ring. It's definitely the off ice issues working against him.

I see where you're coming from now. I think the difference is that even though Sasakamoose played only a handful of games in the NHL (much like O'Ree), he didn't really have a major impact in his post-playing career. Granted he was fairly active in the local community (and his book was really worth reading), but O'Ree has had a much larger impact, as well as a stronger minor-league career. Whether that's the right call or not is not something I'll make here.

As for Fleury, I think he would be a lower-tier inductee as is, and his off-ice exploits are ensuring he is not considered anytime soon.

 

[Giotrapani91]

I see where you're coming from now. I think the difference is that even though Sasakamoose played only a handful of games in the NHL (much like O'Ree), he didn't really have a major impact in his post-playing career. Granted he was fairly active in the local community (and his book was really worth reading), but O'Ree has had a much larger impact, as well as a stronger minor-league career. Whether that's the right call or not is not something I'll make here.

As for Fleury, I think he would be a lower-tier inductee as is, and his off-ice exploits are ensuring he is not considered anytime soon.

Well I can tell you zetterberg won’t make it next year not that he isn’t deserving, but they’ll induct him & datsyuk together in 2024 the other two in the 2024 class will be marleau & fleury, if marleau isn’t inducted first ballot he’ll go in with Duncan Keith & Zdeno Chara in 2025 or with Getzlaf in 2026. But datsyuk is first ballot hands down, zetterberg goes in with him, & if marleau doesn’t go in the 2024 class i have tkachuk & JR. Ik people will say ohh JR will never be inducted that’s what everyone said about andreychuk and he went in on the 9th try. If not JR on the 2024 class than richter or CuJo.

 

[voyageur]

I see where you're coming from now. I think the difference is that even though Sasakamoose played only a handful of games in the NHL (much like O'Ree), he didn't really have a major impact in his post-playing career. Granted he was fairly active in the local community (and his book was really worth reading), but O'Ree has had a much larger impact, as well as a stronger minor-league career. Whether that's the right call or not is not something I'll make here.

As for Fleury, I think he would be a lower-tier inductee as is, and his off-ice exploits are ensuring he is not considered anytime soon.

I don't know how anyone can say Fleury is a lower-tier inductee, especially when you start talking about Datsyuk or Zetterberg being first time inductees. Fleury in his prime was one of the best in the NHL, anyone who watched the 94 playoffs series between the Flames and Canucks saw that the two best players on the ice were Fleury and Bure. Same thing would apply to 1991 with Messier and Fleury. The turn of small market Canadian franchises in the non-Cap era left Fleury without teammates like Niewendyk, Suter, Mac Innis and Vernon, and the Flames were never a contender in the back half of the 90s. By the time Fleury reached New York, I'd say his life was spiralling out of control, though he still won a gold medal matching up against the best in the world. Is that really a reason to shun someone from the HHoF though? Maybe the Hall doesn't want somebody talking about sexual abuse, because that's a real uncomfortable subject in the hockey world. Statistically he's probably better than Kariya, Marty St. Louis, Joe Mullen, Lanny Mc Donald, or the Sedins. I think guys like JR are more deserving. Begrudginly I might say Gary Suter, but I never forgave him for his dirty hit on Kariya that took away a Gold Medal from Canada, conceivably. Not sure what the Hall has against Turgeon, Damphousse, or Nicholls either. Guys like Tkachuk are more borderline because of playoff performance, Tkachuk has the World Cup championship, but that's not the standard of the Olympics, in my opinion. Hall of Fame standard used to be 1000 points made you a Hall of Famer. For me that's why guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg would be borderline, but they played for an Original Six powerhouse, that was built to win. I'd vote Elias in over those guys easily. I'd vote Fleury in before them too, but it's not going to happen that way. It's a shame to me. 66th (soon to be 67th) in all time scoring is an accomplishment.

NHL Leaders​

1.	Wayne Gretzky*	1979-99	2857
2.	Jaromír Jágr	1990-18	1921
3.	Mark Messier*	1979-04	1887
4.	Gordie Howe*	1946-80	1850
5.	Ron Francis*	1981-04	1798
6.	Marcel Dionne*	1971-89	1771
7.	Steve Yzerman*	1983-06	1755
8.	Mario Lemieux*	1984-06	1723
9.	Joe Sakic*	1988-09	1641
10.	Phil Esposito*	1963-81	1590
11.	Ray Bourque*	1979-01	1579
12.	Joe Thornton	1997-22	1539
13.	Mark Recchi*	1988-11	1533
14.	Paul Coffey*	1980-01	1531
15.	Stan Mikita*	1958-80	1467
16.	Teemu Selänne*	1992-14	1457
17.	Sidney Crosby	2005-23	1426
18.	Bryan Trottier*	1975-94	1425
19.	Alex Ovechkin	2005-23	1424
20.	Adam Oates*	1985-04	1420
21.	Doug Gilmour*	1983-03	1414
22.	Dale Hawerchuk*	1981-97	1409
23.	Jari Kurri*	1980-98	1398
24.	Luc Robitaille*	1986-06	1394
25.	Brett Hull*	1986-06	1391
26.	Mike Modano*	1989-11	1374
27.	John Bucyk*	1955-78	1369
28.	Brendan Shanahan*	1987-09	1354
29.	Guy Lafleur*	1971-91	1353
30.	Mats Sundin*	1990-09	1349
31.	Dave Andreychuk*	1982-06	1338
	Denis Savard*	1980-97	1338
33.	Mike Gartner*	1979-98	1335
34.	Pierre Turgeon	1987-07	1327
35.	Gilbert Perreault*	1970-87	1326
36.	Jarome Iginla*	1996-17	1300
37.	Alex Delvecchio*	1950-74	1281
38.	Al MacInnis*	1981-04	1274
39.	Jean Ratelle*	1960-81	1267
40.	Peter Stastny*	1980-95	1239
41.	Phil Housley*	1982-03	1232
42.	Norm Ullman*	1955-75	1229
43.	Jean Beliveau*	1950-71	1219
44.	Larry Murphy*	1980-01	1217
45.	Jeremy Roenick	1988-09	1216
46.	Bobby Clarke*	1969-84	1210
47.	Bernie Nicholls	1981-99	1209
48.	Vincent Damphousse	1986-04	1205
49.	Dino Ciccarelli*	1980-99	1200
50.	Patrick Marleau	1997-21	1197
51.	Patrick Kane	2007-23	1192
52.	Rod Brind'Amour	1989-10	1184
53.	Sergei Fedorov*	1990-09	1179
54.	Bobby Hull*	1957-80	1170
55.	Evgeni Malkin	2006-23	1163
56.	Daniel Alfredsson*	1995-14	1157
57.	Michel Goulet*	1979-94	1153
58.	Nicklas Lidström*	1991-12	1142
59.	Marián Hossa*	1997-17	1134
60.	Bernie Federko*	1976-90	1130
61.	Mike Bossy*	1977-87	1126
	Joe Nieuwendyk*	1986-07	1126
63.	Darryl Sittler*	1970-85	1121
64.	Frank Mahovlich*	1956-74	1103
65.	Glenn Anderson*	1980-96	1099
66.	Theoren Fleury	1988-03	1088
67.	Anze Kopitar	2006-23	1081
68.	Henrik Sedin*	2000-18	1070
69.	Dave Taylor	1977-94	1069
70.	Keith Tkachuk	1991-10	1065
71.	Ray Whitney	1991-14	1064
72.	Joe Mullen*	1981-97	1063
73.	Pat Verbeek	1982-02	1062
74.	Denis Potvin*	1973-88	1052
75.	Henri Richard*	1955-75	1046
76.	Daniel Sedin*	2000-18	1041
77.	Bobby Smith	1978-93	1036
78.	Eric Staal	2003-23	1034
79.	Martin St. Louis*	1998-15	1033
	Doug Weight	1991-11	1033
81.	Alexander Mogilny	1989-06	1032
82.	Alex Kovalev	1992-13	1029
83.	Brian Leetch*	1987-06	1028
84.	Patrik Elias	1995-16	1025
85.	Brian Bellows	1982-99	1022
86.	Rod Gilbert*	1960-78	1021
87.	Dale Hunter	1980-99	1020
88.	Ryan Getzlaf	2005-22	1019
89.	Pat LaFontaine*	1983-98	1013
90.	Steve Larmer	1980-95	1012
91.	Nicklas Backstrom	2007-22	1011
92.	Lanny McDonald*	1973-89	1006
93.	Brian Propp	1979-94	1004
94.	Patrice Bergeron	2003-23	997
95.	Jason Spezza	2002-22	995
96.	Paul Kariya*	1994-10	989
	Steven Stamkos	2008-23	989
98.	Rick Middleton	1974-88	988
99.	Dave Keon*	1960-82	986
100.	Andy Bathgate*	1952-71	973
101.	Shane Doan	1995-17	972
102.	Maurice Richard*	1942-60	966
103.	Phil Kessel	2006-23	963
104.	Henrik Zetterberg	2002-18	960
105.	Kirk Muller	1984-03	959
106.	Larry Robinson*	1972-92	958
107.	Rick Tocchet	1984-02	952
108.	Vincent Lecavalier	1998-16	949
109.	Chris Chelios*	1983-10	948
110.	Joe Pavelski	2006-23	943
111.	Claude Giroux	2007-23	940
112.	Jason Arnott	1993-12	938
113.	Steve Thomas	1984-04	933
114.	Brad Richards	2000-16	932
115.	Neal Broten	1980-97	923
116.	Pavel Datsyuk	2001-16	918
117.	Bobby Orr*	1966-79	915
118.	John Tavares	2009-23	913
119.	Gary Roberts	1986-09	910
120.	Scott Stevens*	1982-04	908
121.	Tony Amonte	1991-07	900
122.	Ray Ferraro	1984-02	898
123.	Brad Park*	1968-85	896
124.	Peter Bondra	1990-07	892
125.	Butch Goring	1969-85	888
126.	Peter Forsberg*	1994-11	885
	Owen Nolan	1990-10	885
128.	Bill Barber*	1972-84	883
129.	Dennis Maruk	1975-89	878
130.	Blake Wheeler	2008-23	877
131.	Ilya Kovalchuk	2001-20	876
132.	Markus Näslund	1993-09	869
	Cliff Ronning	1986-04	869
134.	Trevor Linden	1988-08	867
135.	Ivan Boldirev	1970-85	866
136.	Eric Lindros*	1992-07	865
137.	Yvan Cournoyer*	1963-79	863
	Corey Perry	2005-23	863
	Alex Tanguay	1999-16	863
140.	Jonathan Toews	2007-23	862
141.	Dean Prentice	1952-74	860
142.	Bill Guerin	1991-10	856
	Tomas Sandström	1984-99	856
144.	Vyacheslav Kozlov	1991-10	853
	Zach Parise	2005-23	853
146.	Ted Lindsay*	1944-65	851
147.	Gary Suter	1985-02	844
148.	Tom Lysiak	1973-86	843
149.	John MacLean	1983-02	842
	Ryan Smyth	1994-14	842
151.	Scott Mellanby	1985-07	840
152.	John Tonelli	1978-92	836
153.	Jacques Lemaire*	1967-79	835
154.	Saku Koivu	1995-14	832
155.	Brent Sutter	1980-98	829
156.	John Ogrodnick	1979-93	827
	Doug Wilson*	1977-93	827
158.	Red Kelly*	1947-67	823
159.	Bernie Geoffrion*	1950-68	822
	Pierre Larouche	1974-88	822
161.	John LeClair	1990-07	819
	Stephane Richer	1984-02	819
163.	Steve Shutt*	1972-85	817
	Thomas Steen	1981-95	817
165.	Jeff Carter	2005-23	815
	Marián Gáborík	2000-18	815
167.	Wilf Paiement	1974-88	814
168.	Peter McNab	1973-87	813
169.	Sergei Gonchar	1994-15	811
170.	Pit Martin	1961-79	809
171.	Ken Linseman	1978-92	807
172.	Brad Marchand	2009-23	806
	Jakub Voracek	2008-23	806
174.	Milan Hejduk	1998-13	805
	Rick Nash	2002-18	805
176.	Paul Stastny	2006-23	804
	Garry Unger	1967-83	804
178.	Ken Hodge	1964-78	800
179.	Geoff Courtnall	1983-00	799
180.	Justin Williams	2000-20	797
181.	Ed Olczyk	1984-00	794
182.	Wayne Cashman	1964-83	793
	Mike Ribeiro	1999-17	793
184.	Dany Heatley	2001-15	791
185.	Brent Burns	2003-23	789
	Thomas Vanek	2005-19	789
187.	Rick Vaive	1979-92	788
188.	Börje Salming*	1973-90	787
189.	Claude Lemieux	1983-09	786
190.	Jamie Benn	2009-23	784
191.	Alexei Yashin	1993-07	781
192.	Pavel Bure*	1991-03	779
193.	Rob Blake*	1989-10	777
194.	Jean Pronovost	1968-82	774
195.	Dave Christian	1979-94	773
	Pete Mahovlich	1965-81	773
197.	Sergei Zubov*	1992-09	771
198.	Todd Bertuzzi	1995-14	770
199.	Pavol Demitra	1993-10	768
200.	Rick Kehoe	1971-85	767

 

[Giotrapani91]

The bar is already pretty low with the admission of Kevin Lowe back in 2020. Seriously - J.G Talbot, Brian Rafalski or Derian Hatcher are more deserving candidate if you HAVE to put d-men in the HOF after Lidstrom, Niedermayer and Zubov.

Out of those three you mentioned I’d go with derian hatcher.