GDT: The 2020 TDL Thread: Part II

[Avery16]

And there's also a good possibility that Buch, not Skjei is the one getting moved if not for some dumbf*ck making a U-turn.

We may not have cleared enough room moving Skjei, and trading Buch clears even less. Plus, Buch is more valuable to this team at his hit than Skjei was at his hit.

But we definitely should find and key that car.

 

[Tob]

oh sure. And in two short years when Chytil nets 25 goals he’s going to say I want some money. A year later Fox is gong to say, I’m really good an I want money. Igor is going to ask where is mine? Here come Kakko and wait, Zibby is up for a ton.

yeah, this will work lol

Good players want good money. Good teams are built on good players. Good teams win Cups. What is your solution to winning a cup without good players or having good players without paying them good money?

 

[NYSPORTS]

we started to rebuilding in the summer of 2017 when we traded our top center for deangelo and a 1st. so its really been 3 years. we traded away our top pair LD today when we are in a playoff hunt so making our playoff push for 2021 is more likely now. weve traded damn near every player we had on the 2017 team for young players and picks.

your top 3 players make a lot with Zibby on deck soon. Go look at roster and contracts. How quickly they become RFA and one after another real fast.

 

[mas0764]

There is no mandate to a rebuild. I mean for god sakes we have the youngest team in the league, a great farm system, and 19 picks in the next two years. You gotta have some leaders too you can’t just have young kids leading young kids. Plus not all prospects work out as we know all too well. This team has gotten better much quicker than expected and will take a big jump next year with Igor and Kakko having a year or so under their belt. The Rangers are ready to start competing for the playoffs. I don’t see the point in intentionally trying to stop that if anything that makes it worse. Rebuilds don’t have to take 5-6 years.

A great farm system, but it's decidedly lacking in quality and depth at forward, there is no other way to say it.

Rebuilds don't have to take 5-6 years but ours needs at least one more offseason of forward acquisition. Our own pick wasn't gonna cut it. Hopefully with the Skjei trade that moves us closer... either hitting on two later first round prospects or trading up for one can't-miss type. Either way would be a huge boost to something that remains a downright need for this org going forward.

 

[Avery16]

Marc Staal declining since 2014 but outlasting Stralman, Yandle, Girardi buyout, McDonagh, Shattenkirk buyout, Pionk, and now Skjei.

NMCeo

 

[Kords]

really need Trouba pull his socks way up. Hopefully he gets settled next year and we bring in someone to replace Ruff. I'd feel good about this in that situation.

Very fair point. Totally agree and share you're hope.

That and maybe at least ONE legit second liner for Panarin to play with, but they are hopefully already in the system and should come along soon.

 

[OthmannOut]

And there's also a good possibility that Buch, not Skjei is the one getting moved if not for some dumbf*ck making a U-turn.

This is going to be one of those weird butterfly effect things, isn't it?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Good players want good money. Good teams are built on good players. Good teams win Cups. What is your solution to winning a cup without good players or having good players without paying them good money?

Lol, you come close to a Cup and you can kiss the majority of that team good bye b/c they’ll worth so much and we’ll already have too much tied up in the vets.

They just committed to Kreider for 7 years. By then every prospect in this system will have qualified for a raise almost twice. Think man

 

[duhmetreE]

oh sure. And in two short years when Chytil nets 25 goals he’s going to say I want some money. A year later Fox is going to say, I’m really good an I want money. Igor is going to ask where is mine? Here come Kakko and wait, Zibby is up for a ton.

yeah, this will work lol

yeah and they'll get paid? They're restricted and controllable. They'll be signed longish term out of their ELC. 4-5 year deals at a modest/fair price. I dont see them producing at a McDavid/Matthews pace which demands top UFA money. If they do, that's a great problem to have.

The kids are support players for the time being, especially the forwards. ADA will get a 4-5 year deal this off-season.

It's a non-issue.

 

[aufheben]

Reasons a rebuild can take long:

• management dicks around/delays/half-asses the process
• they don't have a good team to tear down
• meddling, cheap/greedy owners

Gorton ripped the band-aid right off, tore down a Cup contender, and is backed by an owner who does literally nothing but sign checks.

Vegas made the SCF in their first season and hasn't looked back.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We may not have cleared enough room moving Skjei, and trading Buch clears even less. Plus, Buch is more valuable to this team at his hit than Skjei was at his hit.

But we definitely should find and key that car.

We have 14.3 under the current cap limit open for next season, that probably goes up a bit.

Just letting Fast walk would probably be enough to keep us in the safe zone. Smith can be waived to open up a touch more space. It limits the additions they can make for the summer though which is why it'd help out big time if Hank decides to call it quits or they tell Staal to pack his shit and gtfo.

 

[NYRangers0723]

A great farm system, but it's decidedly lacking in quality and depth at forward, there is no other way to say it.

Rebuilds don't have to take 5-6 years but ours needs at least one more offseason of forward acquisition. Our own pick wasn't gonna cut it. Hopefully with the Skjei trade that moves us closer... either hitting on two later first round prospects or trading up for one can't-miss type. Either way would be a huge boost to something that remains a downright need for this org going forward.

But we weren’t getting a bigtime forward for Kreider. We were getting a late first probably 27-31 and probably somebody like Jost who has skill but I didn’t see a high ceiling personally. Yes I agree we need more forward depth in the farm and I think we get that this year in a deep draft. I mean we have 2 firsts and two thirds this year then all the other picks. Nothing wrong with getting better trying to make a run and still building through the draft

 

[Tob]

Lol, you come close to a Cup and you can kiss the majority of that team good bye b/c they’ll worth so much and we’ll already have too much tied up in the vets.

They just committed to Kreider for 7 years. By then every prospect in this system will have qualified for a raise almost twice. Think man

No one understands what you're trying to say.

 

[mas0764]

Lol, you come close to a Cup and you can kiss the majority of that team good bye b/c they’ll worth so much and we’ll already have too much tied up in the vets.

They just committed to Kreider for 7 years. By then every prospect in this system will have qualified for a raise almost twice. Think man

There is an argument to be made that cap increases should allow us to get by without being killed on this contract. Still, I would have preferred the flexibility -- maybe to go sign a Johnny Hockey or something -- that keeping that $7m would have afforded us.

To me the way bigger lost opportunity is in asset accumulation. To me Kreider is not a top-6 winger when this team is Cup contending. And I don't know where those forwards are coming from, because we need more. We better hit on our picks this year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No, I said they didn’t miss out.

ohhhhhhhh.
Im sorry then. completely misread.

 

[NYSPORTS]

yeah and they'll get paid? They're restricted and controllable. They'll be signed longish term out of their ELC. 4-5 year deals at a modest/fair price. I dont see them producing at a McDavid/Matthews pace which demands top UFA money. If they do, that's a great problem to have.

Yeah lol, you’ll see. Last year at this time the same people claimed the Rangers had enough cap money for 10 years. 5 months later we had cap issues.

 

[NYRangers0723]

We have 14.3 under the current cap limit open for next season, that probably goes up a bit.

Just letting Fast walk would probably be enough to keep us in the safe zone. Smith can be waived to open up a touch more space. It limits the additions they can make for the summer though which is why it'd help out big time if Hank decides to call it quits or they tell Staal to pack his shit and gtfo.

I think Hank is gone one way or another. With Igor’s injury this give him some starts probably and depending what happens down the stretch that might be it

 

[bobbop]

Well, I can post this now and it may explain a few things. I heard back around Christmas that the Sabres wanted to trade for Kreider and give him a huge contract. A lot more than he signed for president today. I don’t know how far the road this ever got but apparently there was no limit on the assets they were willing to expend. Both players and contract $.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah lol, you’ll see. Last year at this time the same people claimed the Rangers had enough cap money for 10 years. 5 months later we had cap issues.

We have cap issues for 1 season. We need to navigate this summer.

... But we're doing things to put ourselves in this same exact position in a few years.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

your top 3 players make a lot with Zibby on deck soon. Go look at roster and contracts. How quickly they become RFA and one after another real fast.

He's on deck 2 years from now and there is 20 million coming off the books after next year if they choose to wait that long plus the cap will most likely go up. Don't you think that JD and JG who are really smart hockey people have though long and hard about what the future financial considerations may be.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah lol, you’ll see. Last year at this time the same people claimed the Rangers had enough cap money for 10 years. 5 months later we had cap issues.

We added nearly $20M in Panarin and Trouba.

We are shedding nearly $25 next offseason. We're dropping that $7.5M dead cap charge. Just trimmed another $5.25M

We're fine.

If your concern is a 'cap-crunch' in 2026-2027.. I'll set an alarm

 

[NYSPORTS]

No one understands what you're trying to say.

those who don’t understand money or the cap never do. They want players and are the first to do a 180 and turn on management when they start losing players due to the cap and can’t understand why. Look around, they’re solution is always a “buyout”.

 

[Kords]

Well, I can post this now and it may explain a few things. I heard back around Christmas that the Sabres wanted to trade for Kreider and give him a huge contract. A lot more than he signed for president today. I don’t know how far the road this ever got but apparently there was no limit on the assets they were willing to expend. Both players and contract $.

Thus sails the Eichel ship

 

[mas0764]

But we weren’t getting a bigtime forward for Kreider.

Yeah, but Pageau brought in THREE picks -- a first, second and a third. Kreider frankly probably brings in more.

That's either ammunition to trade up to get the player of our choosing, three lottery tickets for finding Chytils, or three cheap cost controlled bottom 6 options allowing us to go sign an impact FA when needed.

Whatever, what's done is done. I don't agree with the calculus but I actually like Kreider and I'm obviously rooting for the Rangers (long term -- I may pull for them to lose every remaining game this year).

But as Edge said, we have to admit we have holes in this team -- not just at LD, but in quality and quantity future forwards... and our road to getting them is now harder. Not insurmountable, but we better get cracking. In keeping Kreider, it might have been a wise idea to parlay Strome into a Pageau-like offer.

They need to be thinking on those lines.

Nothing wrong with getting better trying to make a run and still building through the draft

Except it's much harder. Again, I feel really, really good that someone like Holtz or Rossi is a 60-70 point player in this league, maybe better.

People keep saying the draft is a crapshoot.... yeah, at 15 when we select Dylan Holloway, that's a crapshoot. Holtz isn't a crapshoot.

And where we stand today it's a lot harder to get that kind of player now or in the future.

 

[NYSPORTS]

We added nearly $20M in Panarin and Trouba.

We are shedding nearly $25 next offseason.

We're fine.

If your concern is a 'cap-crunch' in 2026-2027.. I'll set an alarm

go look at the contracts and the names. Make no mistake, they will not remain frugal. In one year they sign Panarin, Trouba, Kreider and people are talking about buying out Staal and Hank. Like the Dallas Cowboys, they’ll spend it and then they lose players. Championship? IDK, one since 1941. Place your bets. Love the team but I’m not betting today b/c they just proved they can’t remain patient.