GDT: The 2020 TDL Thread: Part II

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My two cents:

1. I've been on this site a long time and I still can't believe it crashes like clockwork every year.

2. This board gets so damn divisive. It always feels so black or white. Not to mention some people act like they know everything about a trade/move, yet probably don't know 1% of the details unless they have Gorton's phone tapped like the NSA.

3. The news about Shesty (and Buch) was devastating. Whether the playoffs were realistic or not, we all want to see this kid continue to play well.

4. I wanted to trade CK because I didn't want to be stuck with a 7-year deal. I don't think it was as black or white as trading or keeping him. Ideally, I would have preferred to keep him 3-4 years, but that's not realistic. I think a lot of people that wanted to trade him would have preferred to keep him on some kind of 2-4 year deal, but that was never an option.

5. I think CK could have gotten at least $7m in free agency if not more to some desperate team. At least his average salary was less than I was expecting.

6. Fast: I think they want to keep him and maybe they couldn't find a return that would have been worth giving him up for the rest of the season or make it to the open market. I think they will re-sign him.

7. Skjei: I wanted him gone despite knowing how it would impact the rest of the season. Skjei has regressed and I don't think he's worth the cap hit, plus we have a ton invested in Trouba and have to pay Tony. The left side of the defense might look pretty ugly the rest of the way, but I think the cap space will be valuable plus we have some prospects to fill in down the road. Maybe Hajek is called up and gets some valuable playing time.

8. Skjei's return - I thought we might be able to trade him for a young forward or prospects ready to play. It's tough because on one hand, he's looked like crap and you might think, how the hell did we get a first for him? On the other hand, you see how much defensemen are valued in trades over the years and you're thinking, so what's the other piece we're getting back with him? Makes you wonder if this decision was rushed or if Gorton assessed the market and just said, it might not be any stronger in the off-season. Tough one. The return feels a bit light, but we'll take the cap savings and first rounder.
 
Can someone who has read the whole TDL thread give me a summary of how everyone feels about 1) Kreider 2) Skjei and 3) overall in 10 words total?
 
“stop with your skjei trade proposals” they said

“he’s not getting traded” they said.

you know who you are, and i told you so
 
Still waiting on the clauses/signing bonus for Kreider before I pass judgement. AAV is good, term is bad. Mixed bag for now.

Skjei trade is good, even with the condition juggling.

Not sure why Fast is still on this team.

I guess we're going to see players moved at the draft.
 
The persnicketietiness in me is annoyed by the fact that Gorton has let two major deals, McD/JTM, Skjei go down to the last second because of an organizational need to move on and seemingly* took what was the best offer at the last minute rather than a full exploratory effort days and weeks ahead for the full value of McD, JTM, and Skjei in every scenario. It is what it is I guess.
 
Deadline grade for me: D+

Pros
Skjei's salary gone
1st rounder from CAR

Cons:
Kreider extension's gonna look like a disaster in a few years, especially with NMC to deal with
Our NHL LHD is the worst in the league at the moment, except for maybe Detroit
Skjei being gone means a lot of the savings there will have to go towards his replacement
Minor- Fast really could've been traded too

Possible Swings that could bring the grade up: One of Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, etc. takes and holds a LHD slot for good next season, just like Lindgren did this season
Possible Swings down: Buch or Tony being traded b/c we had to fit Kreider in
 
The persnicketietiness in me is annoyed by the fact that Gorton has let two major deals, McD/JTM, Skjei go down to the last second because of an organizational need to move on and seemingly* took what was the best offer at the last minute rather than a full exploratory effort days and weeks ahead for the full value of McD, JTM, and Skjei in every scenario. It is what it is I guess.
Yes, I'm sure the deadline just snuck up on him.
 
Would it be fair to say the narrative coming out of the deadline is that they think replacing Skjei is far easier than replacing Kreider? In hindsight, that's about as bland/obvious of a take as you could make

I don't think it was Kreider vs Skjei as much as it was DeAngelo Vs. Skjei. That is a no brainer that I was worried they would galaxy brain the shit out of.

If they do keep Fast, I really hope he doesn't stay on the Panarin line. I know his plug and play with out ruining any line is a plus, but they need to give someone else a shot there.

I wonder who else goes this summer.
 
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Would it be fair to say the narrative coming out of the deadline is that they think replacing Skjei is far easier than replacing Kreider? In hindsight, that's about as bland/obvious of a take as you could make
The player or the position, because those are two very different questions. Good point, btw. Not how I looked at it but I can respect the thought.
 
What if this Skjei deal falls through and he remains a Ranger? He’d have to play out the season knowing that the team felt that a 1st round pick and cap space were more valuable then he was. Or it would light a fire under him telling him he needs to play a lot better.
 
So we want the Carolina pick if the Toronto pick is protected.

We want both teams to miss the playoffs, Leafs pick get in the top 10 so Leafs pick is differed to 2021 and the Canes pick goes high and I think they will have no choice but give us their own pick on the day of the draft? Unless of course they can give us the 2021 Leafs pick in which case we hope the Leafs suck again?
 
What if this Skjei deal falls through and he remains a Ranger? He’d have to play out the season knowing that the team felt that a 1st round pick and cap space were more valuable then he was. Or it would light a fire under him telling him he needs to play a lot better.

Its not going to fall through.
 
Deadline grade for me: D+

Pros
Skjei's salary gone
1st rounder from CAR

Cons:
Kreider extension's gonna look like a disaster in a few years, especially with NMC to deal with
Our NHL LHD is the worst in the league at the moment, except for maybe Detroit
Skjei being gone means a lot of the savings there will have to go towards his replacement
Minor- Fast really could've been traded too

Possible Swings that could bring the grade up: One of Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, etc. takes and holds a LHD slot for good next season, just like Lindgren did this season
Possible Swings down: Buch or Tony being traded b/c we had to fit Kreider

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Deadline was great. I would have loved 6 years but he took less but I wanted him to stay. I dont believe in this “he is gonna break down in 2-3 years” horseshit. The Brady trade was good. Let’s be honest he has regressed. We got a decent first rounder back and now can use the money for Tony. Great moves but the only negative is Buch and Igor getting hurt
 
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Guy just scored two goals including the game winner. And even when he isn't scoring he is noticeable. Why on earth is everyone disappointed? He is a True Blue Ranger. Is not like he would have any value in return anyway, unless he was a sweetner in a multiplayer deal. He'll sign a contract with us in the offseason.

Watch someone overpay for him and we lose him for nothing.
 
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