Prospect Info: The 2015 NHL Draft Thread VII

Billdo · May 21, 2015

I was Barzal. Zacha would be ok but I still would prefer Barzal. Rantanen to me could be a bigger bust than both. i do not understand the Rantanen hype.

MichaelJ · May 21, 2015

AlexTheDevilsFan said:
I think Barzal (if drafted) and Boucher could become members of our potential future top line

I think that's too much wishful thinking.

Zippy316 · May 21, 2015

Billdo said:
I was Barzal. Zacha would be ok but I still would prefer Barzal. Rantanen to me could be a bigger bust than both. i do not understand the Rantanen hype.

Rantanen seems like he could very well end up like Ruutu.

Ruutu was also a high pick, albeit in a much shallower draft than this one is expected to be. Ruutu did have a couple 50 point seasons, so it's not like he was a complete bust.

I could see Rantanen ending up like that.

Burner Account · May 21, 2015

Billdo said:
I was Barzal. Zacha would be ok but I still would prefer Barzal. Rantanen to me could be a bigger bust than both. i do not understand the Rantanen hype.

Any of them could be busts.

Cheddabombs · May 21, 2015

Billdo said:
I was Barzal. Zacha would be ok but I still would prefer Barzal. Rantanen to me could be a bigger bust than both. i do not understand the Rantanen hype.

A big-bodied playmaker with tons of skill, great hands and excellent hockey sense. I don't understand why there isn't more hype for Rantanen around here...

Marshal Rochambeau · May 21, 2015

Cheddabombs said:
A big-bodied playmaker with tons of skill, great hands and excellent hockey sense. I don't understand why there isn't more hype for Rantanen around here...

He might as well be 5'11" because he doesn't use his body.

devilsblood · May 21, 2015

Marshal Rochambeau said:
He might as well be 5'11" because he doesn't use his body.

Do we really watch him enough to say this? Not to mention he's 18 years old in a men's league.

And a guy can use his size without being a punishing hitter. I'm sure this kid uses his reach plenty.

devilsblood · May 21, 2015

Cheddabombs said:
A big-bodied playmaker with tons of skill, great hands and excellent hockey sense. I don't understand why there isn't more hype for Rantanen around here...

Modest production in a league far far away. Most mocks have him in that 7-10 range it seems.

I can see why people are not overly hyped.

Devils Dominion · May 21, 2015

I'm not high on the Finn either.

It's going to come down to Barzal, Provorov and possibly Hanifin.

Tretyak 20 · May 21, 2015

Marshal Rochambeau said:
He might as well be 5'11" because he doesn't use his body.

Not true. Just because he doesn't throw huge hits and get in scrums doesn't mean he "doesn't use his body".

Billdo · May 21, 2015

devilsblood said:
Do we really watch him enough to say this? Not to mention he's 18 years old in a men's league.

And a guy can use his size without being a punishing hitter. I'm sure this kid uses his reach plenty.

And have we seen enough of him, in Finland, against "men" who aren't NHLers enough to say he has tons of skill, great hands, and a good hockey sense? Especially with average numbers posted? No it's all based on scouting reports and second hand knowledge. That to me is why Rantanen isn't "overhyped."

And yes obviously any of them can just, thanks for that wonderful bit of knowledge. Barzal busting to me is still a higher floor than Rantanen busting. You have to go with skill with a foundation like Nj has. That's where Barzal has the edge IMO.

GhostofKenKlee · May 21, 2015

Devils Dominion said:
I'm not high on the Finn either.

It's going to come down to Barzal, Provorov and possibly Hanifin.

I'm in that camp, that is if Marner or Strome don't drop in the draft.

Brooklyndevil · May 21, 2015

Barzal. He has skill, speed and a high hockey IQ.

Marshal Rochambeau · May 21, 2015

Barzal, 2.

Cheddabombs · May 21, 2015

Marshal Rochambeau said:
He might as well be 5'11" because he doesn't use his body.

Thankfully these guys are ~18 years old and are still learning... He can be taught how to use his body, he can't be taught how to be 6'4.

devilsblood said:
Modest production in a league far far away. Most mocks have him in that 7-10 range it seems.

I can see why people are not overly hyped.

Playing overseas shouldn't be held against him. Looking objectively at his talent level, he's right up there with Barzal and Zacha.

Burner Account · May 21, 2015

Months and months of recycled posts.

HobokenIrish · May 21, 2015

kyle evs48 said:
Months and months of recycled posts.

5 weeks to go!

Cheddabombs · May 21, 2015

kyle evs48 said:
Months and months of recycled posts.

Well all of their seasons are done, there's nothing new to talk about until the combine.

GhostofKenKlee · May 21, 2015

kyle evs48 said:
Months and months of recycled posts.

Go Green, bro...

Hockey Sports Fan · May 21, 2015

JimEIV said:
The new top 50 has Severson as the 5th highest defensman, 20th best prospect in the league...That is pretty good, no, it is really good, but the funny thing is, I think it is too low...I don't remember the exact order but - Darnell Nurse, Derrick Pouliot, Shea Theodore and Griffin Reinhart are ahead of Severson...(I think that was the exact order but I'm not positive)

I'm not sure how Shea Theodore is ahead of Severson at all. They both have similar histories and stat lines except Severson has proven something in the NHL and Theodore hasn't had a chance yet.

I also think Severson is better than Nurse and Reinhart and I personally think some of this has to do with a high 1st round bias in the ranking.

Definitely some preferential treatment for first-round picks in that listing.

I have no problem with Pouliot over Severson, whether I agree or not. But the other three...I dunno. Griffin Reinhart hasn't been all that impressive to me, and Nurse has played 6 pro games in his life. I really like Theodore, but there's always been questions about his D, and like you said, he hasn't exactly proven himself like Severson has so far.

All in all, seems like there's not nearly enough credit given to a kid who jumped from the WHL straight to a top-line job in the NHL.

Tretyak 20 · May 21, 2015

Brooklyndevil said:
Barzal. He has skill, speed and a high hockey IQ.

So do Zacha and Rantanen. That's the point.

MichaelJ · May 21, 2015

kyle evs48 said:
Months and months of recycled posts.

I know, we're going stir crazy

MichaelJ · May 21, 2015

For those who want Barzal because of his playmaking skills, I respect that. I just don't think he's the offensive force we need.

Zacha is more of a scorer but that doesn't mean he has no playmaking ability. If we get Barzal then we'll need snipers. If we can get Zacha, we can put more well-rounded wingers around him.

One of my top scenarios has us getting Zacha to be that true 1C and then finding a way to get Boeser or even Roslovic to play on his RW. They both can score but also have playmaking ability. I think pairing Zacha with either would create a complimentary situation that would play out well for us. Add a Henrique on the LW and his skillset and that's one complete and potentially dangerous line.

MichaelJ · May 21, 2015

As far as Finns go, if we don't wind up with Rantanen I'd like to see Hintz in the 2nd. He has elite 2C written all over him. With a little work on his offense he could be a Bergeron for us.

thethinglonger · May 21, 2015

One guy that's really intriguing is Robin Kovacs...speedy Swedish winger who played 52 games in the top Swedish league last season.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85693

Not much film footage on him though.

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