Post-Game Talk: Thats all she wrote.

Beaninfritz

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I kind of think If Jake is back next year it wont be long till he gets the Larry Murphy treatment by the fans.

Gardiner's always been questionable. He's like a turbo charged elevator. Sometimes he rapidly soars to a height you couldn't think he could pull off. Other times, he crashes into the basement, making mistakes that even peewee league players wouldn't make. IMO, he's never been right since he got that nasty concussion when he was on the Marlies. He's improved, but I think we've seen his max potential. Everyone has nerves in a game 7, just ask Rask. But it was at least 2, and possibly 3 goals Gardiner cost the team in this game.
 

Hockey Rush

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ya that's awesome but see the problem is the Leafs need a guy who can stay in the lineup, otherwise it's not really worth the investment

enough with the Tanev crap
Health is definitely a concern. Find another D man if you don't want him. But you need some improvement there. Im not here trying to sell Tanev. :( I just feel bad Anderson and Gardiner are taking all the heat when clearly there are other failures here. Half the kids no showing and the defence being a mess. Not that your D has been particularly great all season but you would hope they would step up in the postseason. that is the fault of the GM though not the players.
 

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Go back and watch game 4 and tell me how many times the guys in front of him left him hanging. 2 X 2 on 1 goals and then we played like **** the rest of the game, Dont give me that **** Andersen may of had a slow start to the season but sure as **** stepped his game up.

I never said he was that bad in game 4. But games 1, 2, 7 were stinkers. You can't have your goalie flat out hand the other team a 3-0 advantage and expect to win a series.
 
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Gallagbi

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I think this series has a different feel when it comes to it's learning experience. I feel like this was more of a playoff grind than against Washington.

We were happy to be in the playoffs against Washington and just keep pace. This was a series they wanted and battled to win, even if it didn't work out
 
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How do you improve when your counting on your young players to mature? Time. Making the playoffs last year was premature and unfortunate in retrospect.

i don't have much gripe about the young players; my sole criticism is on

A) Management - that did not identify that pending UFAs like bozak/jvr/komarov etc.. are not impact players; and will not show up when going gets tough; did not flip them as support pieces for other teams; gathered assets that could have been used in trades for upgrades/replacementsofUFAs/drafts/etc...

B) Coaching - coaching staff should have done a better job at working on their breakouts and defensive structure; there was no need to have wingers blow the zone and then look for stretch passes; which boston clearly identified and feasted on by intercepting those passes (turnovers)

also i think babcock lobbied to not trade the UFAs; so am pretty pissed at him
 
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Cleetus

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Gardiner's always been questionable. He's like a turbo charged elevator. Sometimes he rapidly soars to a height you couldn't think he could pull off. Other times, he crashes into the basement, making mistakes that even peewee league players wouldn't make. IMO, he's never been right since he got that nasty concussion when he was on the Marlies. He's improved, but I think we've seen his max potential. Everyone has nerves in a game 7, just ask Rask. But it was at least 2, and possibly 3 goals Gardiner cost the team in this game.

I agree, he is a smooth skating puck moving d-man, but its what he lacks between the ears, his talent got him to the NHL but its his Hockey IQ that caused -5 and a really bad game tonight, that fans wont soon forget.
 

Semantics

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It’s a fact. Leafs rely on their goalie more than any team in the league. Andersen was overplayed this year and was out of gas. Leafs real problem is their defence.

That's just demonstrably false. There are multiple teams that allow more shots against than the Leafs, and Andersen has some of the best offensive support in the NHL. He was amazing around November and December, but brutal in October, and brutal in April. He was particularly putrid in this series, but it came as no surprise, as he'd been pretty bad for at least the last month or two.
 
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Nalens Oga

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i don't have much gripe about the young players; my sole criticism is on

A) Management - that did not identify that pending UFAs like bozak/jvr/komarov etc.. are not impact players; and will not show up when going gets tough; did not flip them as support pieces for other teams; gathered assets that could have been used in trades for upgrades/replacementsofUFAs/drafts/etc...

B) Coaching - coaching staff should have done a better job at working on their breakouts and defensive structure; there was no need to have wingers blow the zone and then look for stretch passes; which boston clearly identified and feasted on by intercepting those passes (turnovers)

also i think babcock lobbied to not trade the UFAs; so am pretty pissed at him

I'm sick of people making excuses for Babcock or excuses for Lou for not acquiring dmen. You're the GM, you've had multiple years, find a way.
 

rumman

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Yeah, for sure.

The pain of trading them would have been helped by the assets we could have received, and maybe even a young player as well. Could have even packaged something with him for a Dman......I just don't understand how the management couldn't have seen this.

We were never winning a cup, it was not in the cards.

Well lets keep drafting and hoping they can fix the team.
keeping impending UFA's was the wrong move, Leafs would have made the playoffs regardless, and like we just found out, keeping the UFA's didn't get them past the first round. Guess all the peeps who had delusions of this team winning a cup (including leaf mgmt) this year just woke up and smelt the coffee, too bad because the Leafs are a worst team now for not trading said impending UFA's.
 
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Lynk

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Our D is a mess, to be honest. How do you sort that **** out? Dermott needs to be moved up, Gards down, Hainsey is bottom pairing. Zaitsev is not top 4 either. What do we do?

Dermott will mature.

Gardiner in my opinion needs to be packaged for some sort of #1 D. That way everyone can play where they should.

Hainsey was relied on way too much throughout the season. The fact alone that a guy in the latter stages of his 30s led the league in PK time all year shows that. Plus he had to play on the top pair against the oppositions toughest, nightly. And that fatigue showed towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. Let him move down to 2nd pairing and put him with Dermott, then you can slide Zaistev down to the 3rd and pair him with who's left.
 

Mkdaman1818

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I'm so pissed, mainly at Babcock. We just got outplayed by a team that has basically one scoring line and it was in pretty much every game of the series.

First, why are you trying to play dump and chase against the Bruins? They're better on the boards and you had an entire series to see that it doesn't work. We'd dump it then they'd win it and CARRY it back like you're supposed to and establish zone time in our zone.

Second, WHAT THE **** is with those stretch passes? They ate them up in our neutral zone (and they were eating them in the neutral zone because the forwards kept leaving too early). Only Dermot and Rielly can pass the puck, the other four losers just ring it around the boards or make a bad pass so why are you doing this?

Seriously, does Babcock have a learning disability? Because a guy paid that much needs to be able to adapt and learn faster than he does but he keeps making the same mistake. Let's not even mention how stubborn he is with lines during the season.
I’m not sure what people think coaches do, they don’t somehow pick up a controller and control every player like NHL 18. The roster is the roster, and the defense is simply not good. Ron Hainsey is a 3rd pairing guy, playing 1st pair minutes. We have no proper RD on the team, yet we somehow won 3 games. Zaitsev is a 3rd or 2nd pairing guy but Gardiner needs a shutdown D beside him. That is not Zaitsev
 

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