Post-Game Talk: That was unexpected! Jets beat VGK 4-3 in OT

[ffh]

I may not be aware of what he has or has not done and I may not be qualified to judge whatever it is if I was aware. But if he does something that is effective, I will see the result.

Is being over .500 with this young team and a defence with such little nhl experience not effective as a coach in your eyes. Where should they be in the standings in your eyes

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I have no issue with Lowrys hit. Thats not my point.

Replace Ehlers with Scheif, Laine, Conner put whatever star player you want in.

When McCabe laid out Laine with a perfectly clean hit, three Jets jumped him. Yes, thats the way I want my team to respond.

As I recall McCabe hit Laine's head - so not perfectly clean. But maybe I misremember.

But yes, I want a response from the teammates on the ice at the time. But some other player at some other time is also appropriate, especially in the case of a clean hit. Even if the hit is clean, you want to discourage too big hits on any of our players. The response needs to be proportionate and appropriate though.

 

[AlphaLackey]

This isn't even worthy of a response.

"Pardon me, I have nothing to say!" - G. Carlin

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

As I recall McCabe hit Laine's head - so not perfectly clean. But maybe I misremember.

But yes, I want a response from the teammates on the ice at the time. But some other player at some other time is also appropriate, especially in the case of a clean hit. Even if the hit is clean, you want to discourage too big hits on any of our players. The response needs to be proportionate and appropriate though.

Watch the hit on YouTube. He stood him up. They are both tall. Even Maurice said he had no problem with it - clean bodycheck.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Is being over .500 with this young team and a defence with such little nhl experience not effective as a coach in your eyes. Where should they be in the standings in your eyes

Yeah, just count up the points. Pay no attention to how they are playing.

I think they are just about where they should be in the standings. I don't think the roster is nearly weak enough to justify what we saw against SJS - ever. And it isn't as though SJS have such a great roster themselves.

 

[Guffman]

Johnny come latelies. I've been pointing to this for a few years now.

You are off course correct that it is 100% descriptive of the result of any one game. But it is in the cumulative totals for each team over a larger number of games that it becomes most interesting. If some teams place in the standings is flukey, it will show here.

I'm not sure how predictive it is. How accurately will the results half way through the season predict the final standings? But it is certainly descriptive of which teams have done what so far.

Mort, there may come a day where I will call on you to join my Crusade to bring +/- stat back into the state of respectability!

 

[Guffman]

Yeah, just count up the points. Pay no attention to how they are playing.

I think they are just about where they should be in the standings. I don't think the roster is nearly weak enough to justify what we saw against SJS - ever. And it isn't as though SJS have such a great roster themselves.

SJS is just a year removed from the WCF...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Watch the hit on YouTube. He stood him up. They are both tall. Even Maurice said he had no problem with it - clean bodycheck.

Still looks a little high to me but hard to judge. Actually, in slomo it looks like McCabe's hands are at chest level and that is the first contact. Then maybe a little head to head bump. Hard to say how hard that might have been. Didn't seem to bother McCabe.

Man, Laine was sure vulnerable. I can't blame McCabe. For a hit like that, I want to see the kind of response we got from Scheifele. Legal or not, you can't just let that go.

 

[jefferoni]

Still looks a little high to me but hard to judge. Actually, in slomo it looks like McCabe's hands are at chest level and that is the first contact. Then maybe a little head to head bump. Hard to say how hard that might have been. Didn't seem to bother McCabe.

Man, Laine was sure vulnerable. I can't blame McCabe. For a hit like that, I want to see the kind of response we got from Scheifele. Legal or not, you can't just let that go.

Re: the bolded...

https://www.bardown.com/jake-mccabe...fter-his-collision-with-patrik-laine-1.646253

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Mort, there may come a day where I will call on you to join my Crusade to bring +/- stat back into the state of respectability!

No hope of that, ever. +/- is too contaminated. The stats guys do track ES goal differential, which is very different than the official +/-. Garrett has often said that it has validity, whereas +/- does not. But he doesn't use it because he has other stats that are proven to be better. By proven I mean that they have an actual track record of better predicting future performance. But for use by the mathematically challenged, like me, it is OK.

I just wish the NHL would change the definition of +/- to be simply ES on ice goal differential. It would be a usable stat and could put an end to the debate.

FWIW, I think I can remember the debate when the stat was introduced. I can't find the history of it to confirm or deny my memory.

The way I remember it there was a progressive group in favour of it and a conservative group opposed. The progressives wanted basically just ES on ice scoring differential. The conservative group seemed to fear that it would too accurately describe a players effectiveness and make the eye-test, the expertise of the pro scouts and coaches, etc superfluous. So they monkeyed around with the proposed stat to create the useless thing we now have. I will not die defending this memory. It is an old one and could be imaginary, but that is what I recall.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Still looks a little high to me but hard to judge. Actually, in slomo it looks like McCabe's hands are at chest level and that is the first contact. Then maybe a little head to head bump. Hard to say how hard that might have been. Didn't seem to bother McCabe.

Man, Laine was sure vulnerable. I can't blame McCabe. For a hit like that, I want to see the kind of response we got from Scheifele. Legal or not, you can't just let that go.

This is how Mccabes face looked like after that little head to head contact. The hit was ”clean”, but poorly executed. It is no way comparable to Lowry’s hits.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

This is how Mccabes face looked like after that little head to head contact. The hit was ”clean”, but poorly executed. It is no way comparable to Lowry’s hits.
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Seems like Jefferoni beat me to it

 

[Halberdier]

Watch it again ... the reason why that PP worked was because Wheeler was blocking Subban's vision something the opposing teams do against the Jets goalies all the time and scored.

Nothing wrong with screening, and yes, Jets should do it much more.

I still don't have a clue what I should watch again, and how that what you said contradicted my post in the first place.

PP1 scored, but PP1 was still a mess, sorry. Apart from that one nice play resulting as goal, PP1 was not a success.

 

[GNP]

I don't know about fellow posters on here -- but Laine sure impressed me on that final rush to set up Connor for the game winning goal. He showed speed, great stickhandling, and a great hockey IQ making that nice little drop pass to the precision like Connor --who rarely misses.

I've been critical of Laine -- I wish he could play like that all the time --he looked like a real smart power forward on that play --"well done"

 

[Halberdier]

Not almost in a full year he hasn't. Their trying different things. He will still get his looks.

Well, Laine is still having most PP points for forwards this season, being 3 games off from PP1. That's only 4 points in 12 games, but exactly 4 points more than Wheeler has had in 15 games.

Sane person would have swapped Wheeler for Ehlers. But we aren't talking about sane guys when we are talking about Maurice and his coaching team.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well, Laine is still having most PP points for forwards this season, being 3 games off from PP1. That's only 4 points in 12 games, but exactly 4 points more than Wheeler has had in 15 games.

Sane person would have swapped Wheeler for Ehlers. But we aren't talking about sane guys when we are talking about Maurice and his coaching team.

Maybe Wheeler should selflessly follow Nik's example and recuse himself from PP1.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

SJS is just a year removed from the WCF...

Jets are only 2 years removed. SJS are a very old team. And their goaltending isn't very good.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

This is how Mccabes face looked like after that little head to head contact. The hit was ”clean”, but poorly executed. It is no way comparable to Lowry’s hits.
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The hits are not being compared. How a team should respond if at all is being discussed.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

The hits are not being compared. How a team should respond if at all is being discussed.

Call it a poor example then

 

[tbcwpg]

Borderline ECHL defense

They aren't great but this is a big overreaction.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

When the good games become a trend, I will acknowledge it. When he corrects some of the things I think are wrong, I will acknowledge it. When the bad game is a continuation of the trend and of the things that are wrong, I will point out the proof of concept.

I haven't been an especially harsh critic of Maurice until quite recently. I sat on the fence for quite a while and I have given him full credit for a number of things in the past. I still don't think he is the worst coach in the league. I think he has stubbornly stuck to some things for too long. I think he has run dry with this team. I said in the off-season that I was still open to seeing him make some changes. But he has not. The big one is his commitment to the Scheifele/Wheeler pairing at all times, in all things.

I said that if that didn't change I would join the full on 'Mau must go brigade'. That did not so I did. He still does a mix of good things and bad, but I think it is time for a new face behind the bench. Quite simple. Change for change's sake? Maybe. But I want to see it tried. I'm tired of the same old same old.

Fair enough.

We are an absurdly depleted team that is actually keeping its head above water, and coaching has something to do with that. It cannot be every loss is evidence of bad coaching and winning is in spite of the coaching decisions made.

I don’t like the Scheif Wheeler pairing, been vocal in the past about it, but it doesn’t negate positives. Being 8-7 with the amount of issues we are dealing with is very solid.

 

[AlphaLackey]

SJS is just a year removed from the WCF...

Winning the friggin' lottery in game 7 of round 1 had a lot to do with that

 

[Brominator]

 

[MardyBum]

Watch the hit on YouTube. He stood him up. They are both tall. Even Maurice said he had no problem with it - clean bodycheck.

He literally headbutted him in the face. Was a stupid hit to make, and deserved a response.

 

[raideralex99]

Nothing wrong with screening, and yes, Jets should do it much more.

I still don't have a clue what I should watch again, and how that what you said contradicted my post in the first place.

PP1 scored, but PP1 was still a mess, sorry. Apart from that one nice play resulting as goal, PP1 was not a success.

The Jets PP is mess because no Jets stands in front of the net.
James Neal has 8 power plays goals just by standing in front of the crease.
You can have all the great passes you want but if the goalie can track them ... he will stop the majority of them.