Post-Game Talk: That was unexpected! Jets beat VGK 4-3 in OT

[PaulPooley]

Joe Pascucci explains why the "no icing" on the Jets third goal was the correct call.

CKND

 

[roccerfeller]

Ah. That wraps it for me then. What we all thought was a missed call in turn was a good judgement call by the linesman

 

[Whileee]

Is being over .500 with this young team and a defence with such little nhl experience not effective as a coach in your eyes. Where should they be in the standings in your eyes

Throw in 9 games lost to injury for Little and 2 games out for each of Lowry, Morrissey, and Laine and missing Niku and Beaulieu all season so far. It's not been a very smooth start with a crazy schedule.

I still think this team will struggle to make the playoffs with a young D, but so far they've played okay, all things considered. But it's been a really weird season.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Is being over .500 with this young team and a defence with such little nhl experience not effective as a coach in your eyes. Where should they be in the standings in your eyes

Maurice is not an effective coach and does many things wrong. There are lists. My only complaint is he gets a disproportionate amount of blame to responsibility for it.
Wheeler has to take a look in the mirror.
Despite all that the Jets are in a good place. Just hope he doesn’t ride Helly too much. Smart coaching like riding the hot ell line over cold csw might be beyond him.

 

[Halberdier]

The Jets PP is mess because no Jets stands in front of the net.
James Neal has 8 power plays goals just by standing in front of the crease.
You can have all the great passes you want but if the goalie can track them ... he will stop the majority of them.

I agree that one of the many things broken in Jets PP is that there is not much net front presence.

But it's only one of the things broken, so you cannot say "The Jets PP is mess because no Jets stands in front of the net."

Or you can, but that's incorrect.

 

[slurpee addict]

The Jets PP is mess because no Jets stands in front of the net.
James Neal has 8 power plays goals just by standing in front of the crease.
You can have all the great passes you want but if the goalie can track them ... he will stop the majority of them.

Agree fully. PP isn't very good and considering the talent available, well not sure what to say except... coaching

 

[slurpee addict]

I've been hard on PoMo often in the past year, but will give him credit in this game. Maybe Poolman was hurt, but the fact we almost never saw him after the 25 minute mark was a very good thing and helped us win. If not because he was hurt, that's a good coaching decision.

 

[Tommigun]

I've been hard on PoMo often in the past year, but will give him credit in this game. Maybe Poolman was hurt, but the fact we almost never saw him after the 25 minute mark was a very good thing and helped us win. If not because he was hurt, that's a good coaching decision.

Who was he playing with until that point? And who took his spot after the 25 min mark? I didn't pay that close attention. Thanks!

 

[slurpee addict]

Who was he playing with until that point? And who took his spot after the 25 min mark? I didn't pay that close attention. Thanks!

Pretty sure he started the game paired with Morrisey. JoMo played over 25 minutes, while Poolman ended up with just over 6. All the rest had 19+ with Kulikov close to 24.

 

[ps241]

Gallant and Reaves were both out to lunch on the Lowry/Tuch play. It was hip-to-hip as the primary point of contact, and unlike Kylington, Tuch had time and space to brace for contact. Don't know why he didn't.



In fairness to the linesman, the rule 81.1 reads, "[...] icing is completed upon the determination as to which player (attacking or defending) would first touch the puck."

Given that Schmidt leapt to the dots at the expense of staying on his skates, it's pretty hard to argue that he would've first touched the puck.

Granted, as it's written isn't how it's usually called, but at least when Foley stops crying long enough to call Bettman, he won't have much of a case by the letter of the law.

I think the other one--called icing against Vegas--was more indisputably wrong.

I appreciate the rule clarification thx.

Although that is what the rule explicitly states that not how the refs have been calling it in my opinion.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Joe Pascucci explains why the "no icing" on the Jets third goal was the correct call.

I for one am SHOCKED that the linesmen turned out to be correct, and that an anachronistic thug masquerading as an NHL coach actually turned out not to be the next Roger Nielsen in terms of how well he knew the rulebook.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I appreciate the rule clarification thx.

Although that is what the rule explicitly states that not how the refs have been calling it in my opinion.

By my recollection, Connor and the Knight weren't on different pursuit lines at the hashmark when the call had to be made. Connor only adjusted in front of the crease after it was waved off.

I think it a red herring though. There were 10 minutes left and the ice was heavily tilted, with the Jets pressing for the equalizer. Good chance it would have come.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fair enough.

We are an absurdly depleted team that is actually keeping its head above water, and coaching has something to do with that. It cannot be every loss is evidence of bad coaching and winning is in spite of the coaching decisions made.

I don’t like the Scheif Wheeler pairing, been vocal in the past about it, but it doesn’t negate positives. Being 8-7 with the amount of issues we are dealing with is very solid.

The issues didn't just start. We were bad most of last year, even earlier when we were winning and certainly from about Jan on. Our 8-7 record so far is a bit of an illusion. We are squeezing out a lot of 1 G wins, including some that we shouldn't, like the SJS game. Not only did Helle steal that on the one hand but Jones handed it to us on the other. It took that rare combination of extremely good goaltending from one and bad goaltending from the other to get us that one.

There is more to it than just the bromance. That is the main roster choice/usage issue but there are others.

I think some people are being overly encouraged by our our W/L record to date. We could very easily be something like 3-12, or 3-8-4 instead based on the way we have played. Goaltending and a little luck is what is keeping our heads above water. How long can we keep that up if our top line keeps losing the on ice, ES scoring battle?

 

[DannyGallivan]

I for one am SHOCKED that the linesmen turned out to be correct, and that an anachronistic thug masquerading as an NHL coach actually turned out not to be the next Roger Nielsen in terms of how well he knew the rulebook.

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So the linesman knew that Connor would put a little hook on his opponent, causing him to wipe out. I for one can care less at this point whether it was icing or not. I've watched enough Jets hockey through the decades to have seen soooooooo many of these kinds of calls going against Winnipeg. I'll take that one for the Jets.

 

[Saidin]

I think we've had a little less luck then the norm... I think people forget how bad Brossoit was some of those game to pull Helly back down...

 

[Saidin]

And yes, we are still playing like shit.

 

[Halberdier]

So the linesman knew that Connor would put a little hook on his opponent, causing him to wipe out. I for one can care less at this point whether it was icing or not. I've watched enough Jets hockey through the decades to have seen soooooooo many of these kinds of calls going against Winnipeg. I'll take that one for the Jets.

Even without the wipeout, Connor was going to be first when puck turned to his side.

Close call, but probably right one.

You can only guess how furious Vegas TV announcers were about the call

 

[Saidin]

Even without the wipeout, Connor was going to be first when puck turned to his side.

Close call, but probably right one.

You can only guess how furious Vegas TV announcers were about the call

Was it Hnidy? I heard his comments about the Lowry hit...

 

[Howard Chuck]

Fair enough.

We are an absurdly depleted team that is actually keeping its head above water, and coaching has something to do with that. It cannot be every loss is evidence of bad coaching and winning is in spite of the coaching decisions made.

I don’t like the Scheif Wheeler pairing, been vocal in the past about it, but it doesn’t negate positives. Being 8-7 with the amount of issues we are dealing with is very solid.

If it wasn't for the weird 55/26 issue that seems to handcuff the team in optimizing or at least attempting different option, and the way we let our special teams just languish after they stop working, I'm pretty much ok with Maurice.

But those two things are preventing the team as a whole from prospering, so that's why I would like a new voice in the room.

I know this isn't the coaching thread, but the 55/26 thing is the most detrimental thing he's doing to the team imo. Bad optics to the rest of the team and doesn't allow us to possibly run a better lineup. ( I say possibly, because we will never know).

 

[Saidin]

If it wasn't for the weird 55/26 issue that seems to handcuff the team in optimizing or at least attempting different option, and the way we let our special teams just languish after they stop working, I'm pretty much ok with Maurice.

But those two things are preventing the team as a whole from prospering, so that's why I would like a new voice in the room.

I know this isn't the coaching thread, but the 55/26 thing is the most detrimental thing he's doing to the team imo. Bad optics to the rest of the team and doesn't allow us to possibly run a better lineup. ( I say possibly, because we will never know).

That's my biggest beef... The bromance between 55/26 and the terrible PP/PK. The terrible PP makes me cry sometimes because it could be so much better.

 

[AlphaLackey]

So the linesman knew that Connor would put a little hook on his opponent, causing him to wipe out. I for one can care less at this point whether it was icing or not. I've watched enough Jets hockey through the decades to have seen soooooooo many of these kinds of calls going against Winnipeg. I'll take that one for the Jets.

The linesman knew that the puck was going around the boards and that the Vegas player took the long way around. The linesman, in his discretion, concluded that Connor would have gotten there first as a result before the wipe -- the decision is made by the faceoff dots, the wipeout occurred after that, right?

Whether the linesman's discretion was correct or incorrect, Gallant's interpretation that it's "first to red line win shiny whistle blow grab black rock ug ug ug" is demonstrably in error. That's all.

And like you said, I'll not feel bad about taking it. Calls come and calls go. Even the good guys are allowed to get lucky, if that's ultimately what it was.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I am fine with 55/26 joined at hip. Neither has been great. Little has been very good lately. Make that the 1st line.

 

[Jet]

Yeah, just count up the points. Pay no attention to how they are playing.

I think they are just about where they should be in the standings. I don't think the roster is nearly weak enough to justify what we saw against SJS - ever. And it isn't as though SJS have such a great roster themselves.

As frustrating as it is, every team has stinkers like what we saw in SJ. Then, the next night, on the second half of a back to back, despite the worst game our #1 defenseman may have ever played in the nhl, the boys buckled down, executed very well, and came back to win on the road.

This team has actually played pretty well so far this season. Up and down for sure, but that is the very mo of inexperience laden teams.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

The linesman knew that the puck was going around the boards and that the Vegas player took the long way around. The linesman, in his discretion, concluded that Connor would have gotten there first as a result before the wipe -- the decision is made by the faceoff dots, the wipeout occurred after that, right?

Whether the linesman's discretion was correct or incorrect, Gallant's interpretation that it's "first to red line win shiny whistle blow grab black rock ug ug ug" is demonstrably in error. That's all.

And like you said, I'll not feel bad about taking it. Calls come and calls go. Even the good guys are allowed to get lucky, if that's ultimately what it was.

I hope we see more calls based on which player is actually in a better position to reach the puck first. The norm has been to simply declare a winner in the race to the face off dot, regardless of position. Basically, an easy out for the linesman instead of actually using some reasoning. Or just go back to the old ways of having to touch the puck. Were there really that many injuries on icing plays to warrant the rule change? Plus, players still race headlong toward the puck on the boards on non-icing plays, and high speed collisions still occur. It's a physical game, and shit's gonna happen once in a while.

Maybe they should consider adding some additional protection to the standard hockey uniform.

 

[ffh]

Was it Hnidy? I heard his comments about the Lowry hit...

I listen to game on xm since I'm on the road in Georgia. That heavy breather lawless said about 10x in 5 minutes that lowry is a repeat offender and should be suspended. Never bothered to say he knows him and he is an honest player and wouldnt try and hurt him deliberately.