Post-Game Talk: That was unexpected! Jets beat VGK 4-3 in OT

[Mortimer Snerd]

1000% ^ this boys.

I use to love fighting in hockey but have soured on it for a number of reasons in the 2.0 era (side effects being being so much more evident, DH, appointment fights with zero passion.....the list goes on).

Last night was very different for me. The sequence of events that led to the Lowry Reeves fight triggered emotions in me that are more primal. No matter what my mind tells me my heart loved that fight. I don’t think Lowry intended to hurt Tuch but he did and the results/optics looked bad. Nobody on the Ice on Vegas challenged Lowry at the moment because it wasn’t quite that flagrant that people noticed instantly. Gallant was obviously pissed by the outcome and did what he had to by sending Reeves out to challenge Lowry which (rightly or wrongly) is how hockey has dealt with things historically. Maurice saw it and gave Lowry the out. The moment of the night was when Lowry waved him off and said, nope I am willing to man up for my actions and I will accept the challenge from the toughest guy in the league. That is a moment I won’t forget. It was a clean fair fight and shockingly Lowry held his own.

The team was different from that point forward. Usually fighting doesn’t seem to change much but last night that was not the case. That reminded me a bit of when Malkin new he owed Wheeler one after his cheap shot he he accepted the challenge. I admired Malkin for that. I am sure Reeves (I know who cares) and his Vegas teammates respect that Adam stood up too.

That was a moment.

I like much of this post but I don't agree with the part about Gallant doing what he had to do. I think he should be fined for that.

I don't agree with the idea that a clean, legal hit requires a fight. I think that maybe Lowry should have been a marked man until some Knight was able to legally retaliate with a hard hit, or even 2 to make the point. Don't get mad, get even.

I agree that I liked the way Lowry accepted the challenge. I'd say he won the fight. It didn't look like Reaves gave it his best shot though. He did his duty as ordered.

 

[kylbaz]

Wut? He was pretty damned good when it counted...

All three were soft goals if you watched the game. Those weren't when it 'counted' though? We also got lucky with 2-3 posts. I missed the third though, so I'll take your word he was good in the third.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If someone, a big guy on anotgher team, did that to Ehlers, I would do the same thing as a coach if one of the players on the ice didnt already do something. Even if there was no intent to injur like in this case, I am going to let you know that you better be careful around my smaller star players or you will have to answer. Call me whatever names you want.

Why do you use Ehlers as an example? Tuch is 6'4 and listed as 10 or so lbs heavier than Lowry.

And what do you mean by "did that"? Lowry braced himself and let Tuch run into him. He leaned in a bit. What do you expect him to do?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I shut her down after the first. East coast / west coast time thing. Just got caught up on the second and third. Fun way to win a game. Brossoit with tons of Timely Saves and another Win. We need grit. Lowry is one of our few gritty guys and wow did that change the tone of the game. Waiving off the coach for the change - love it. Taking Reaves down - love it. Overtime with our skill guys out there with lots of ice - you can see the forward talent on this team really shine.

BTW - on our third goal, that was icing.

Great win. Go Jets Go!

Its never icing until the whistle blows. Isn't that what they teach 8 year old kids?

I've seen a couple of possible explanations for it not being icing. I think those things might have caused the linesman to hesitate and by then Connor had the puck on his stick. But, yeah, it was icing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Oh yeah,

We ****ed Vegas!

 

[LowLefty]

OK - but then why attack all of the Maurice critics, lumped together, for not criticizing him for a win? Or do you want all of the critics to rush to eat crow because the Jets managed to play 1 good game, sparked by Lowry not Maurice? I'm not about to come on here and say Yaaayy, we win, wahoooo - but Maurice is still a bad coach. And neither am I going to come here and say I was wrong, all the complaints I have had with Maurice over the last 5+ years were wrong and unfair, he is a great coach - just because they played 2/3rds of a good game.

Had Maurice done anything that stood out as having led to the win I would be happy to give him credit.

Rush to eat crow? Nope - couldn't care less.
But I find in interesting that many of them don't even bother showing up for wins - it's as if they have nothing to talk about.
Nothing more to it than that Mort -
And the post was not aimed at you considering you showed up.

And Mo did a lot of things to contribute to the win - and I've already covered them in an earlier post - but it's more to do with big picture.

 

[Ducky10]

Could it be that Morrissey’s true ceiling is 2nd pairing, and he was carried by Trouba and Buff?

Throw most top pairing guys with a number 7 defense partner and you probably see a 2nd pairing guy.

 

[Ducky10]

Every PGT is a referendum on Maurice as a coach, win or lose. Take it to the coaching thread and leave this thread to discuss the actual game. Nobody is saying anything new.

 

[Jet]

Throw most top pairing guys with a number 7 defense partner and you probably see a 2nd pairing guy.

Honestly, I think Bitteto is playing a far more mistake free game than Kulikov. Why not try throwing him up with JMo for a bit and see what happens?

Sure, minutes and quality of competition would probably have a negative impact on Bitetto, but what I've seen from him thus far this year was confirmed in person watching him not only hold his own, but make some really smart reads and sneakily good plays.

 

[ThinIce61]

The Lowry fight with Reaves was not only a game turning point but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a season turning point.
We are going to string some wins together now. BOok it!

 

[Teemusalami204]

The Lowry fight with Reaves was not only a game turning point but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a season turning point.
We are going to string some wins together now. BOok it!

As hard it is to believe we will start playing consistently after the last half of last year and this year i think a fight was a turning point in our WCF season too

 

[Howard Chuck]

As hard it is to believe we will start playing consistently after the last half of last year and this year i think a fight was a turning point in our WCF season too

Most times some sort of physicality fires this team up more than most imo. They should really go back to that physical style, we have enough big bodies to do it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No not injury related and pp1 finally scored.

Yes, but Laine was not the problem with PP1.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah surely that was because of taking Laine off it, and not because of scrambling every other position in it as well.

I'm assuming
but who knows?
Please correct if wrong.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Watch it again ... the reason why that PP worked was because Wheeler was blocking Subban's vision something the opposing teams do against the Jets goalies all the time and scored.

And that's the job Wheeler should have. His cross ice passes have been taken away. So change it up.

 

[ffh]

Honestly, I think Bitteto is playing a far more mistake free game than Kulikov. Why not try throwing him up with JMo for a bit and see what happens?

Sure, minutes and quality of competition would probably have a negative impact on Bitetto, but what I've seen from him thus far this year was confirmed in person watching him not only hold his own, but make some really smart reads and sneakily good plays.

I agree. Been saying the same for a long time. Yet you keep reading he is the worst dman on the team and that's so far from the truth.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

This isn't even worthy of a response.

You said, Just because we played one good game you don’t need to come on here and give any acknowledgement to Maurice, yet one bad game you are white on rice telling all what Maurice’s contributions are to that.

When your agenda drives your perception your response is meaningless, or not worthy, as you would say.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Rush to eat crow? Nope - couldn't care less.
But I find in interesting that many of them don't even bother showing up for wins - it's as if they have nothing to talk about.
Nothing more to it than that Mort -
And the post was not aimed at you considering you showed up.

And Mo did a lot of things to contribute to the win - and I've already covered them in an earlier post - but it's more to do with big picture.

OK.
I haven't noticed more than 1 or 2 who only show up when they can say "I told you so", but maybe there are more, IDK. Maybe they are afraid of appearing hypocritical if they acknowledge the good along with the bad.

My issues with Mau are more big picture also. So talking about them game by game doesn't fit unless we get a trend (one way or another) over a larger number of games.

Cheers.

 

[ffh]

OK - but then why attack all of the Maurice critics, lumped together, for not criticizing him for a win? Or do you want all of the critics to rush to eat crow because the Jets managed to play 1 good game, sparked by Lowry not Maurice? I'm not about to come on here and say Yaaayy, we win, wahoooo - but Maurice is still a bad coach. And neither am I going to come here and say I was wrong, all the complaints I have had with Maurice over the last 5+ years were wrong and unfair, he is a great coach - just because they played 2/3rds of a good game.

Had Maurice done anything that stood out as having led to the win I would be happy to give him credit.

Let's be honest other then line up or who plays on what line that's all people that are armchair coaches think is all to being a coach. You have no idea what dozens of little things coaches do during a game to effect the outcome. The fact you didnt notice it doesnt mean much.

 

[Guffman]

Let's be honest other then line up or who plays on what line that's all people that are armchair coaches think is all to being a coach. You have no idea what dozens of little things coaches do during a game to effect the outcome. The fact you didnt notice it doesnt mean much.

Agreed. Remember when our goalies struggled? Many posters said it was all on Wade Flaherty without having a clue what he’s doing as a coach.

Almost all of our young skilled players have developed well under our current coaching staff but apparently, that’s irrelevant. We should be contending with this AHL defence.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Agreed. Remember when our goalies struggled? Many posters said it was all on Wade Flaherty without having a clue what he’s doing as a coach.

Almost all of our young skilled players have developed well under our current coaching staff but apparently, that’s irrelevant. We should be contending with this AHL defence.

Borderline ECHL defense

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You said, Just because we played one good game you don’t need to come on here and give any acknowledgement to Maurice, yet one bad game you are white on rice telling all what Maurice’s contributions are to that.

When your agenda drives your perception your response is meaningless, or not worthy, as you would say.

When the good games become a trend, I will acknowledge it. When he corrects some of the things I think are wrong, I will acknowledge it. When the bad game is a continuation of the trend and of the things that are wrong, I will point out the proof of concept.

I haven't been an especially harsh critic of Maurice until quite recently. I sat on the fence for quite a while and I have given him full credit for a number of things in the past. I still don't think he is the worst coach in the league. I think he has stubbornly stuck to some things for too long. I think he has run dry with this team. I said in the off-season that I was still open to seeing him make some changes. But he has not. The big one is his commitment to the Scheifele/Wheeler pairing at all times, in all things.

I said that if that didn't change I would join the full on 'Mau must go brigade'. That did not so I did. He still does a mix of good things and bad, but I think it is time for a new face behind the bench. Quite simple. Change for change's sake? Maybe. But I want to see it tried. I'm tired of the same old same old.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Let's be honest other then line up or who plays on what line that's all people that are armchair coaches think is all to being a coach. You have no idea what dozens of little things coaches do during a game to effect the outcome. The fact you didnt notice it doesnt mean much.

I may not be aware of what he has or has not done and I may not be qualified to judge whatever it is if I was aware. But if he does something that is effective, I will see the result.

 

[Teemusalami204]

When the good games become a trend, I will acknowledge it. When he corrects some of the things I think are wrong, I will acknowledge it. When the bad game is a continuation of the trend and of the things that are wrong, I will point out the proof of concept.

I haven't been an especially harsh critic of Maurice until quite recently. I sat on the fence for quite a while and I have given him full credit for a number of things in the past. I still don't think he is the worst coach in the league. I think he has stubbornly stuck to some things for too long. I think he has run dry with this team. I said in the off-season that I was still open to seeing him make some changes. But he has not. The big one is his commitment to the Scheifele/Wheeler pairing at all times, in all things.

I said that if that didn't change I would join the full on 'Mau must go brigade'. That did not so I did. He still does a mix of good things and bad, but I think it is time for a new face behind the bench. Quite simple. Change for change's sake? Maybe. But I want to see it tried. I'm tired of the same old same old.

Bad games are the trend right now. I dont know how a game or two of good play means he should be praised. I am on the same page as you. Let's play well for a month or two and re visit how bad he is

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Why do you use Ehlers as an example? Tuch is 6'4 and listed as 10 or so lbs heavier than Lowry.

And what do you mean by "did that"? Lowry braced himself and let Tuch run into him. He leaned in a bit. What do you expect him to do?

I have no issue with Lowrys hit. Thats not my point.

Replace Ehlers with Scheif, Laine, Conner put whatever star player you want in.

When McCabe laid out Laine with a perfectly clean hit, three Jets jumped him. Yes, thats the way I want my team to respond.