Im an emotion-less drone robot.
I got far, far more excited when they scored a goal.
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Im an emotion-less drone robot.
I got far, far more excited when they scored a goal.
I'm neutral in the argument. I disagree with the Kassian-Hagelin trade though. Not sure where that came from
Orr Nightmare
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Last thing I want...but your not smart enough to see that...let me slow it down for you...I want more muscle to protect our guys from getting hurt...like Falk getting beat up 5 minutes ago.
Hartford Wolfpack has 41 fights so far...
i wish Rangers had some of their tougher players... get rid of bums like Pyatt and Pouliot..
i wish Rangers had some of their tougher players... get rid of bums like Pyatt and Pouliot..
Dont insult me, go play that game with someone else ok? Thanks.
I told you, i'm neutral. I dont care what you are trying to say, i just disagree with Kassian for Hagelin
The Gloaming
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It being a causative relationship would mean that the variables are ALWAYS caused by one another.
So pray tell me, do teams with goons ALWAYS do well in the standings? Because a causative relationship would mean just that.
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surf
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Wow my first time seeing Falk fight I was hoping for much more...I wonder if Peluso is related to Mike Peluso ex Devil tough guy?
Orr Nightmare
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Peluso is a big boy and can fight a Blue's pick and waived and claimed by Jets...had a 2 assist game vs. Rangers last year...Falk is not a good fighter at all.
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ponzu4u
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As I see it, it's pretty obvious that:
A: This year's Rangers roster is lacking in "toughness"
B: That it is a situation that at the very least, has the POTENTIAL to cause problems for the team in the future.
Derek Dorsett will not last an entire season fighting a majority of guys who are at least 4" taller than him and at least 20lbs heavier.
Brian Boyle, could possibly be the worst fighter in the entire NHL.
Our hardest hitting defenseman is Anton Stralman.
Justin Falk, the "muscle" of this lineup, just got his butt handed to him after facing a real HW
The problem is, the lack of toughness is so widespread throughout the lineup, to really change it, you're going to have to make roster changes that don't really seem available to the Rangers at this moment. As others have said and I fully agree, this team needs to improve its offensive punch more than anything, hopefully by trading for a top 6 SCORING forward.
Because slotting in a "thug" on the 4th line or bottom pair to play 5 mins a night isn't really going to do a whole lot more than adding John Scott did two seasons ago. To be an effectively "tough" team, the toughness needs to be spread throughout the lineup. We will still be icing a top 9 that includes, Zuccs, Hags, Richards, Brass, and Cally. As gritty as some of them do play, it can't change the fact that that's a majority of our top 9 who are below-average NHL size. This is why for me, the perfect addition to this team would be a 2nd line scoring forward with size who isn't afraid to drop the gloves (yes I recognize the extreme difficulty of finding this player). But ideally it would be something like a ryanmalone-downie-iginla-lucic-getzlaf type. Basically what people are telling themselves Kassian will be, while not really acknowledging that over the last two seasons, his development has clearly stagnated, and there's an increasingly probable chance he'll never be more than a 3rd liner.
On defense, I think it's even harder to slot in that "toughness." With AV repeatedly mentioning his desire for more offense from the back end, and the team's clear grooming of McIlrath for the tough guy role, I just don't see who they're going to trade or swap out to be that meanie until McIlrath is ready. As great as it is having three arguable #1/2 Dmen in Staal, McDonagh and Girardi, I'd argue that they're all very similar type of defenseman. As long as those are our top 3 D, you're going to have to try and fill out your defensive pairings with some more offensive-oriented guys, a la Stralman, Moore, DZ. Without blowing up this D, and with Falk under contract as a #7, I have a hard time seeing how the Rangers will find the ice time for a big mean defenseman.
TL;DR Yes, the Rangers lack of toughness is a problem. But it's a problem with a more complicated solution than adding a goon to the 4th line or bottom pair. Unfortunately, finding more consistent offense seems to be a bigger problem at this moment. Therefore without drastic changes that I have a hard time seeing Sather execute in his new coach's first season with the roster, the toughness problem is one that I fear will be futilely addressed at best this season.
A: This year's Rangers roster is lacking in "toughness"
B: That it is a situation that at the very least, has the POTENTIAL to cause problems for the team in the future.
Derek Dorsett will not last an entire season fighting a majority of guys who are at least 4" taller than him and at least 20lbs heavier.
Brian Boyle, could possibly be the worst fighter in the entire NHL.
Our hardest hitting defenseman is Anton Stralman.
Justin Falk, the "muscle" of this lineup, just got his butt handed to him after facing a real HW
The problem is, the lack of toughness is so widespread throughout the lineup, to really change it, you're going to have to make roster changes that don't really seem available to the Rangers at this moment. As others have said and I fully agree, this team needs to improve its offensive punch more than anything, hopefully by trading for a top 6 SCORING forward.
Because slotting in a "thug" on the 4th line or bottom pair to play 5 mins a night isn't really going to do a whole lot more than adding John Scott did two seasons ago. To be an effectively "tough" team, the toughness needs to be spread throughout the lineup. We will still be icing a top 9 that includes, Zuccs, Hags, Richards, Brass, and Cally. As gritty as some of them do play, it can't change the fact that that's a majority of our top 9 who are below-average NHL size. This is why for me, the perfect addition to this team would be a 2nd line scoring forward with size who isn't afraid to drop the gloves (yes I recognize the extreme difficulty of finding this player). But ideally it would be something like a ryanmalone-downie-iginla-lucic-getzlaf type. Basically what people are telling themselves Kassian will be, while not really acknowledging that over the last two seasons, his development has clearly stagnated, and there's an increasingly probable chance he'll never be more than a 3rd liner.
On defense, I think it's even harder to slot in that "toughness." With AV repeatedly mentioning his desire for more offense from the back end, and the team's clear grooming of McIlrath for the tough guy role, I just don't see who they're going to trade or swap out to be that meanie until McIlrath is ready. As great as it is having three arguable #1/2 Dmen in Staal, McDonagh and Girardi, I'd argue that they're all very similar type of defenseman. As long as those are our top 3 D, you're going to have to try and fill out your defensive pairings with some more offensive-oriented guys, a la Stralman, Moore, DZ. Without blowing up this D, and with Falk under contract as a #7, I have a hard time seeing how the Rangers will find the ice time for a big mean defenseman.
TL;DR Yes, the Rangers lack of toughness is a problem. But it's a problem with a more complicated solution than adding a goon to the 4th line or bottom pair. Unfortunately, finding more consistent offense seems to be a bigger problem at this moment. Therefore without drastic changes that I have a hard time seeing Sather execute in his new coach's first season with the roster, the toughness problem is one that I fear will be futilely addressed at best this season.
Blue Regime
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Good post. When Derek Dorsett is your toughest player, you've got problems. But I agree, sticking an Asham on the 4th line doesn't change anything, it's gotta be a culture change. Look at the Bruins - they stockpile tough offensive players, just watch that video where their GM rips on Seguin for not fitting their style of play.
I'm not saying we should be the Bruins, but we definitely need to take toughness more into consideration when we make trades/sign free agents during the offseason. Contrary to what some of the idiots on the main board will try to tell you to push their anti-fighting agendas, toughness is essential in an 82-game NHL season.
Thirty One
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Falk could have not gotten hurt by, you know, not fighting.
I'm cool with you guys liking the entertainment that hockey fights brings. It's not my cup of tea, but whatevs. But if you think that fighting actually does anything to affect who wins or loses a hockey game, there I cannot get on board.
NYR425
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I think it has become very obvious that NYR need to trade Del Zotto, plus for a power forward. We also need to bring Dylan McIlrath up from Hartford and play him 10 minutes a night with either McD or Staal being his partner for those shifts. Although he is not 100% ready for the promotion I believe for the saftey of our better players he needs to be here. The last two games tough guys did what ever they wanted without the fear of retribution ( Selisto Saturday and Peluso Monday). If something is not done soon, I fear we will lose someone to a major injury...
Barnaby
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I disagree on that…
I'll admit that you can count me as a guy who gets pumped up when players fight. Enforcer vs enforcer doesn't do much for me, but the in game fighting to defend teammates, and change momentum is an appealing part of the game for me. I think it can effect a hockey game, because it may change how certain teams play the game, and it can be a major momentum shifter.
Last night WPG's bigger players made an impact by simply moving their legs. I suggested a Thorburn for Dorsett and was shot down. Thorburn wasn't too bad last night, playing a muckers game, assisting on the game winner. On the TSN broadcast Thorburn said he'd get some points the last time the two teams played, and got two assists. Got another one yesterday. Dude was talking trash two games ago, and was polite this go around.
He knows a guy with no hands like him will get more room on the ice because the Rangers are a soft team, he knows that.
Byfuglien looked pretty good on MSG ice too. Big, tough, imposing.
He knows a guy with no hands like him will get more room on the ice because the Rangers are a soft team, he knows that.
Byfuglien looked pretty good on MSG ice too. Big, tough, imposing.
BBKers
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The Gloaming
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A puck went off his skate and into the slot for the GWG. He had about as much to do with that goal as I did.
Well he wasn't exactly engaged on a board battle, or checked before he threw it out there did he?
Like I said, no hands.
The Gloaming
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He didn't throw anything anywhere.
The puck was shot at his skate and a lucky bounce ensued for Winnipeg. Repeat that same thing 99 more times, and it doesn't happen like that again.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
And Sam and Joe just had to mention that he had 0 points all year.
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