Olympics: Team Russia 2022

[SoundAndFury]

Over who?

Guryanov I guess? But that's a tough call.

 

[Atas2000]

Guryanov I guess? But that's a tough call.

I would go with Guryanov's shot and size. His shot is even a good option on a 2PP.

 

[Atas2000]

You say it like we have some great players on the 4th line...

We do. I know our center woes won't allow us to put say Barbashev there even, but we do have more wingers than we need to man the 4th line. Barabanov sure looks like a veeeery long shot to make the team.

Buchnevich, Radulov, Gurianov. I don't think Barabanov is in contention.

 

[olgerd]

I hope Barabanov will make the team. He's gritty and has some skill as well. Perfect as a 4th line energy player and can kill penalties.

IMO, 7 out of 8 places for W are already taken. Kucherov, Panarin, Ovechkin, Svechnikov, Tarasenko, Kaprizov, Buchnevich. The remaining place is claimed by Radulov, Dadonov, Gurianov, Nichushkin, Barabanov, Mikheyev, Gusev, I guess.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Anyone who plays PK, like Mikheyev or Barabanov, might have an edge to take that last spot. Out of those listed as locks, only Buchnevich really does it. Furthermore, I don't see any of those guys being particularly good at it. Svechnikov maybe can be ok.

 

[Atas2000]

Anyone who plays PK, like Mikheyev or Barabanov, might have an edge to take that last spot. Out of those listed as locks, only Buchnevich really does it. Furthermore, I don't see any of those guys being particularly good at it. Svechnikov maybe can be ok.

Experience tells me guys who do not play PK regularily can do it just fine on the NT. Talent does that. I don't know about Ovechkin, but I can see a lot of unusual suspects contributing on the PK.

 

[Atas2000]

Just curious, who's going to be the captain for Russia?

This is also why that is



He takes his responsibility as a leader seriously. Here he is congratulating the "next Ovechkin" Matvei Michkov who is about to beat Ovechkin's record as the youngest player ever to play for the senior NT.

 

[slapKing]

This is also why that is



He takes his responsibility as a leader seriously. Here he is congratulating the "next Ovechkin" Matvei Michkov who is about to beat Ovechkin's record as the youngest player ever to play for the senior NT.

Ah I see. That's cool of Ovechkin congratulation Michkov.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

When you are looking at names like Namestnikov and Buchnevich and Nichushkin and Shipachyov and Barbashev being consistently named as members of a 4-deep roster, it highlights the fact that lack of depth and quality afflicts the team far beyond merely centers. The RHF has done a substandard job in promoting the sport and recruiting and developing talent, and the KHL has made absolutely zero contribution to excellence. Thus, this incomplete lineup is what we are stuck with!

You do realize Buchnevich is a top 20 winger in the NHL? He’d make every roster, except for Canada. I’m not sure why you grouped him in with those players.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

You do realize Buchnevich is a top 20 winger in the NHL? He’d make every roster, except for Canada. I’m not sure why you grouped him in with those players.

Top 20 winger in NHL? He hasn't played one full season and never hit 50 points in the league. Seems a bit over-exaggerated.

 

[Czechboy]

Top 20 winger in NHL? He hasn't played one full season and never hit 50 points in the league. Seems a bit over-exaggerated.

I was thinking the same. I looked and he was 13th amongst LW last season. Ondrej Palat was 15th and Matthew Tkachuk was 20th.

So, from that perspective, he is keeping good company on the Left Side.

However, never played a full season and 200 pts in 310 games doesn't jump out at me as Top 20 NHL winger.

So then I looked further and went back to 2018... he was 20th for LW. Taylor Hall was 30th.

So the statement might be more accurate than I originally thought. Even .ppg in that grouping has him at 22nd.

I clearly don't know enough about Pavel Buchnevich!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You do realize Buchnevich is a top 20 winger in the NHL? He’d make every roster, except for Canada. I’m not sure why you grouped him in with those players.

You are being intellectually dishonest. He didn’t hit 50 points last season because it was a 56 game season, and he had 48 points in 54 games not even playing PP1 with any regularity. His PPG has gone up every season of his career, and his game isn’t all about points. He’s a very good defensive player and drives possession. To group him with those players is pure ignorance.

 

[Yakushev72]

Get Zadorov on the team then On a more serious note, this is a pretty terrible take. Gavrikov is exactly the type you described as lacking, Provorov and Sergachyov are not far behind. Sergachyov overdoes it for his own good so far this season.

So your rebuttal is to make sure that Zadorov and Gavrikov get plenty of playing time when all the world's elite are on the ice every night? Granted, they are big guys, and certainly wouldn't get pushed around as much as some of the others, like Orlov, but the point is that the Russian mindset in international play is to specifically avoid playing physical hockey, and to focus instead on a skilled attack. That was a great and successful recipe at its origins, when the team was constantly winning the Olympics and Worlds under Tarasov and Tikhonov.

However, the days when the best players in the country train together in a grueling manner for 1,400 hours per year are long gone. The team is no longer better trained or better able to push the offensive tempo higher than any other team. So to make the conscious decision to avoid punishing the opponent with physical play, and, at the same time, to willingly accept being thoroughly pounded by opponents for 60 minutes a game, in order to concentrate on a fancy attack is a recipe for disaster. Hey, that sounds more or less like what Russia has experienced for the last 30 years of international play!

 

[MaxV]

Who are the top KHL contenders for roster other the Shipachyov?

Could we see 2 KHL centers if Kuzy isnt allowed to go?

 

[IceHockeyDude]

I was thinking the same. I looked and he was 13th amongst LW last season. Ondrej Palat was 15th and Matthew Tkachuk was 20th.

So, from that perspective, he is keeping good company on the Left Side.

However, never played a full season and 200 pts in 310 games doesn't jump out at me as Top 20 NHL winger.

So then I looked further and went back to 2018... he was 20th for LW. Taylor Hall was 30th.

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So the statement might be more accurate than I originally thought. Even .ppg in that grouping has him at 22nd.

I clearly don't know enough about Pavel Buchnevich!

Interesting stuff, I was not expecting that neither. I checked the stats from right wingers and there were 13 players with a higher PPG than Buchnevich last season. So that would make him a top 32 winger in NHL just last season's PPG took into account.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Who are the top KHL contenders for roster other the Shipachyov?

Could we see 2 KHL centers if Kuzy isnt allowed to go?

Many people were talking about/considering Kadeykin. Andronov, Kamenev are options, Anisimov might even get a look. But I think realistically these are all pretty terrible.

 

[MaxV]

So your rebuttal is to make sure that Zadorov and Gavrikov get plenty of playing time when all the world's elite are on the ice every night? Granted, they are big guys, and certainly wouldn't get pushed around as much as some of the others, like Orlov, but the point is that the Russian mindset in international play is to specifically avoid playing physical hockey, and to focus instead on a skilled attack. That was a great and successful recipe at its origins, when the team was constantly winning the Olympics and Worlds under Tarasov and Tikhonov.

However, the days when the best players in the country train together in a grueling manner for 1,400 hours per year are long gone. The team is no longer better trained or better able to push the offensive tempo higher than any other team. So to make the conscious decision to avoid punishing the opponent with physical play, and, at the same time, to willingly accept being thoroughly pounded by opponents for 60 minutes a game, in order to concentrate on a fancy attack is a recipe for disaster. Hey, that sounds more or less like what Russia has experienced for the last 30 years of international play!

Where is the notion that Russian d-men didn't play physical hockey coming from?

That might be the case currently, but it certainly wasn't historically.

90s NHL for example was filled with Russian guys that would lay the guy out even if he thought about going in the middle of their zone. Guys like Konstantinov, Kasper, Yushkevich, Ulanov, Mironov bros, etc were a nightmare for opponents. Later there were Volchenkov, Danny Markov, Emelin who were physical.

USSR hockey absolutely had physical play as part of the equation, just more strategically selective.

 

[MaxV]

Many people were talking about/considering Kadeykin. Andronov, Kamenev are options, Anisimov might even get a look. But I think realistically these are all pretty terrible.

I expect KHL to be represented on this roster btw and probably more then 1 member.

We are hoping that RHF will make unbiased decisions when it comes to roster selection, but I doubt it.

 

[Atas2000]

Who are the top KHL contenders for roster other the Shipachyov?

Could we see 2 KHL centers if Kuzy isnt allowed to go?

Voynov and... no one really.

 

[Yakushev72]

Where is the notion that Russian d-men didn't play physical hockey coming from?

That might be the case currently, but it certainly wasn't historically.

90s NHL for example was filled with Russian guys that would lay the guy out even if he thought about going in the middle of their zone. Guys like Konstantinov, Kasper, Yushkevich, Ulanov, Mironov bros, etc were a nightmare for opponents. Later there were Volchenkov, Danny Markov, Emelin who were physical.

USSR hockey absolutely had physical play as part of the equation, just more strategically selective.

I'm not saying that Russia hasn't had many defensemen who are perfectly capable of playing physical hockey. The list would be quite long. What I am saying is that Russian strategy has historically focused on specifically avoiding a highly physical checking game. I believe the non-physical culture originates from the 2-2-1 style that Tarasov created, where the puck was moving so fast up the ice on attack that they would have had to slow up the play to make a few checks. As a result, opposing forwards never have to worry about having their attention diverted to protect themselves physically - they know they are more or less safe from physical punishment all the way to the net. It seems as though the Russian attackers are told not to focus on an impending crunch into the boards, that might shorten their season or their career, and instead just focus on the puck and the goal. It also seems that that is much easier to say than to do! Overall, the strategy works to Russia's detriment, where, even in international arenas, rinks are getting smaller and smaller to emphasize violent physical play.

 

[SoundAndFury]

So your rebuttal is to make sure that Zadorov and Gavrikov get plenty of playing time when all the world's elite are on the ice every night?

Well Zadorov was a joke but frankly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Gavrikov playing 20+ minutes against the world's best. The guy is a beast, really the only thing he lacks is a more dynamic offense but otherwise, he is a solid #2 NHL D. I, for one, would definitely trust him with more ice than Sergachev.

 

[MrGeno101]

Updated lines November:

Ovechkin-Kuznetsov(if allowed)-Kucherov
Panarin-Shipachyov-Kaprizov
Svechnikov-Barbashev-Tarasenko
Buchnevich-Namestnikov-Barabanov
(Gurianov, Tkachev, Nichushkin, Mikheyev)

Orlov-Zub
Gavrikov-Provorov
Sergachev- Voynov
(Zadorov, Kulikov, Zaitsev, Romanov)

Vasilevsky
Shesterkin

 

[MaxV]

Going back to March 7th, Orlov has been playing, by far, the best hockey of his career:

52 GP, 9G, 22A, 31P +29 0.60 PPG

Hopefully he keeps it up and takes this game to OG and further.

 

[olgerd]

Updated lines November:

Ovechkin-Kuznetsov(if allowed)-Kucherov
Panarin-Shipachyov-Kaprizov
Svechnikov-Barbashev-Tarasenko
Buchnevich-Namestnikov-Barabanov
(Gurianov, Tkachev, Nichushkin, Mikheyev)

Orlov-Zub
Gavrikov-Provorov
Sergachev- Voynov
(Zadorov, Kulikov, Zaitsev, Romanov)

Vasilevsky
Shesterkin

Where is Malkin?

 

[MrGeno101]

Where is Malkin?

Haha I probably got a stroke, just look at my username Put him on second line and move down centers