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Team Finland 2023 U20 WJC roster talk

Salin hasn't impressed me one bit this tournament. Only one who maybe gets a pass among our D's and nothing above that is Vilén.
These damn turnovers every game. Suomi and Salin scare me with their decision making sometimes. Malinen and Heimosalmi and others aren't that much better.

Not that pleased with Verner Miettinen either. I know Matikka is a winger but I do feel like he could have been good to have against the NA teams.
Now it's like Kapanen, Huuhtanen and Nyman and sometimes when Kemell shows up? Päivärinta decent fourth line center so far though, can't complain about that.
 
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Svedu said:
Salin hasn't impressed me one bit this tournament. Only one who maybe gets a pass among our D's and nothing above that is Vilén.
These damn turnovers every game. Suomi and Salin scare me with their decision making sometimes. Malinen and Heimosalmi and others aren't that much better.
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Damn, Team Finland looks like second rate hustlers against USA. Have we returned to (lackluster) Future of Finnish hockey? Must sip more champagne to enjoy this one-sided show of hands and stonehands.
 
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Great point by Starman about the Finnish forwards getting to the front of the net. They're making Augustine work to find the puck.
 
Svedu said:
The Finnish D is a complete disaster in this tournament. Every single one. Mostly individually but also from a collective perspective.
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True, such an anchor of your team. Heimosalmi as man of the match on Finnish side is kinda black humour...
Uninspired power play and no transition game. During the tournament I saw only one duo able to play a give'n'go and it's Koivunen/Lambert, separated from period 3 game 1. Oliver Kapanen plays a sound 200ft game, but there's no connection between him and his wingers, just turnover after turnover after turnover. He's not good in combination IMHO.
 
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I think this team just isn't that good. Not enough good players. Center depth is really poor and not enough good defensive defensemen. I'm not sure Lämsä is a coach who can get more out of a limited roster.
 
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Jukurit said:
I think this team just isn't that good. Not enough good players. Center depth is really poor and not enough good defensive defensemen. I'm not sure Lämsä is a coach who can get more out of a limited roster.
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Not enough good defenseman period. All of them have been shit on the offensive end as well.
 
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JJTT said:
Not enough good defenseman period. All of them have been shit on the offensive end as well.
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Yeah, but defense is more important. I could live with them being shit in the offensive zone if they were good in the defensive zone. lol
 
Thanks a lot Lämsä you f***ing incompetent bozo.
Your brilliant brain fart cost the group win and easier opponent to quaterfinals.
Now we will face either Sweden or Canada and you don't need to be an Einstein to realize what that will mean.

And then that so called DEFENCE.
I haven't ever seen that soft defence than that what Finland has in this tournament.'
Absolutely zero size, zero grit, zero toughness, zero nastiness, zero meaness etc etc.
Our defence is as soft as soft embo toilet paper.

Our NCAA goalie is total sieve who cannot catch nothing and is serious liability in all goaltender's basic skills.
Powerplay is what is also offence is total crap.

Why in the hell this team do not have any 6'3 tall dmans at all.
Everyone who's watched enough NHL knows that if you wanna compete with north american teams
your DEFENCE NEEDS SIZE, grit, toughness, physicality, meaness etc to be a succeful competitor.
But our so called ''coach'' is totally out of lunch of all international hockey.

And what comes to next years U20 WJC's only what satisfies me and gets me change my mind
of Lämsä as a coach is U20 WJC gold medal if Finland cannot compete of that and result is
quarterfinal loss or relegation round then Lämsä needs to be fired immediately
and get permanently banned to rest of his life to all head coaching positions in Finnish hockey
including women's and girls national teams.

Happy f***ing new year to everyone.
Goddammit i'm pissed on Lämsä and his incompetent coaching.
 
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King 88 said:
Well its clear who is number 1 goalie. Holy f*** Koskenvuo is shit.
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I saw already 2021 U18 WJC's how shit Koskenvuo is.
But more amazed i'm that Vancouver Canucks drafted this sieve 5th round 2021 NHL draft.

I get serious Niilo Halonen vibes of Koskenvuo
and once i thought it truly was Halonen in Finland's net vs USA.
And everyone who's watched HIFK this season knows how shit Halonen has been and Koskenvuo is close of him.

Right now i don't see Koskenvuo becoming NHL goalie.
Only what he might be is passable mestis starting goalie but not more.
And if ( a really massive if ) Koskenvuo plays even one AHL / NHL game that will be 8th miracle of the world.
 
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Thanks a lot Lämsä you f***ing incompetent bozo.
Your brilliant brain fart cost the group win and easier opponent to quaterfinals.
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Lampinen would have not be able save Finland.

The fact is that the '03 born age class is just extremely mediocre, it has no leaders or high end skill at all. So far everything is going like i predicted, 2nd place in the group B and q-finals loss looming in the future and immediately after there was a real challenge our small and soft defense started to crumble. Offense doesn't do any better, all the scoring relies on Kemell or Nyman both '04 born. This is a 3rd U20 tournament for Lambert and the 4th junior tournament when you count one U18 WJC, and he's been useless in everyone of them. He is going to be a bust, next Jesse Niinimäki.

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Jukurit said:
I think this team just isn't that good. Not enough good players. Center depth is really poor and not enough good defensive defensemen. I'm not sure Lämsä is a coach who can get more out of a limited roster.
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Lämsä is no Erkka, Jukka or KJ, but in this case im pretty sure that even them could have not taken this team to medal round. I can't really blame Lämsä for this, he just doesn't have any tools to work with and he is not miracle worker.

Sometimes we win and sometimes we will lose, now we are going to lose.
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I can find one good thing from this. Kemell, Nyman, Rönni, Kaskimäki, Hämeenaho and Salin(+Kokko, Kiviharju & Lassila) gets good experience for next year's tournament. Im more optimistic for next year's team.
 
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SantosHalper said:
Lampinen would have not be able save Finland.

The fact is that the '03 born age class is just extremely mediocre, it has no leaders or high end skill at all. So far everything is going like i predicted, 2nd place in the group B and q-finals loss looming in the future and immediately after there was a real challenge our small and soft defense started to crumble. Offense doesn't do any better, all the scoring relies on Kemell or Nyman both '04 born. This is a 3rd U20 tournament for Lambert and the 4th junior tournament when you count one U18 WJC, and he's been useless in everyone of them. He is going to be a bust, next Jesse Niinimäki.

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Lämsä is no Erkka, Jukka or KJ, but in this case im pretty sure that even them could have not taken this team to medal round. I can't really blame Lämsä for this, he just doesn't have any tools to work with and he is not miracle worker.

Sometimes we win and sometimes we will lose, now we are going to lose.
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I can find one good thing from this. Kemell, Nyman, Rönni, Kaskimäki, Hämeenaho and Salin(+Kokko, Kiviharju & Lassila) gets good experience for next year's tournament. Im more optimistic for next year's team.
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But Hämeenaho and Kaskimäki has also been really anonymous. Salin straight up bad. But I get your point, experience won't hurt.
Kulonummi should be better than Salin.
Elmeri Laakso. Overall, hopefully a lot better D's.
Kemell and Nyman could and should dominate next year.

Wouldn't mind bit more size next year either, if the potential is there. Halttunen. Perhaps Bau and others.
Perhaps even other players born 2006, Kiviharju, Helenius, who knows if Hemming is ready then. Would love Jesse Nurmis speed in a fourth line if he can figure some things out.
 
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Finn fans have come to expect more from their team at the WJR's.
Hopefully, you will put things together in the playoffs.





God bless Pope Benedict XVI. RIP.
 
Loffer said:
Damn, Team Finland looks like second rate hustlers against USA. Have we returned to (lackluster) Future of Finnish hockey? Must sip more champagne to enjoy this one-sided show of hands and stonehands.
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second tier coaching

outside 2016 (which was freak year) Finland needs elite coaching for having a successful tournament
 
King 88 said:
Well its clear who is number 1 goalie. Holy f*** Koskenvuo is shit.
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Well, at least he has a solid plan B studying in Harward and all if the ”shit” is a permanent factor in his net-minder capabilities.

Maybe it will just take some extra years for him to put the pieces - academic or athletic - together and we will have a future #1 goalie for Lions here, one with a PhD degree - and MD degree in the making.

While his team mates play PlayStation5 or 6 or 7 or whatnot slowly experiencing a death by thousand virtual deaths in a standard hotel room with no escort service to ease the ordeal, Koskivuo reads classics and advanced histology alternating between the two and keeping his net-minder’s mind clear as the high sky over Manitoba farm lands in a bright, frozen day of February.
 
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Yeah, this a pretty underwhelming team compared to the standard that has been set during the last decade. Not really surprising considering how the 2021 draft went. There isn’t that elite returning or draft eligible player that sets the tone like Kakko or Lundell. Kind of sad to be looking forward to next year already, but adding Kiviharju, Helenius and Halttunen with guys like Kemell and Nyman returning brings some comfort.
 
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We should be concerned with our development system/program.

We seem to be returning back to Granlund era from our golden era.
Just very little to get excited about

& damm our skating program needs an overhaul big time
 
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We should be concerned with our development system/program.

We seem to be returning back to Granlund era from our golden era
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2021-2023 drafts have turned out weak, but 2024 looks like a strong return to form. I wouldn’t say we are back to Granlund era just yet.
 
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2021-2023 drafts have turned out weak, but 2024 looks like a strong return to form. I wouldn’t say we are back to Granlund era just yet.
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Currently closer to it than Barkov era.

After Heiskanen (2017) we haven’t been able to produce a single elite player to the NHL.
Lundell could be 2nd, atleast a 2nd high quality player.

& skating is a major issue, too many of our top prospects are weak to average as skaters vs the rest of the world.
 
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This sums up Finland's terrible center depth. You simply can't make a good team when your 2nd and 3rd line centers are so ineffective. 16 year old Konsta Helenius would be an upgrade for Finland at center. That kid can skate!
 
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BB88 said:
Currently closer to it than Barkov era.

After Heiskanen (2017) we haven’t been able to produce a single elite player.
Lundell could be 2nd, atleast a 2nd high quality player.

& skating is a major issue, too many of our top prospects are weak to average as skaters vs the rest of the world
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I’m still pretty confident in Kakko and Lundell, and Maccelli has been a pleasant surprise. After them it’s very early to judge, but there is definitely a drop. The skating thing is true though, our junior teams constantly struggle with the speed of North Americans and even Switzerland these days. Some of that is just due to having to draw from a smaller talent pool, we just won’t get enough players with a combination of good skating, physique and other skills to fill a team each year, but I also have wondered whether our training is up to par.
 
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