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Team Finland 2023 U20 WJC roster talk

TheFinnishTrap said:
I’m still pretty confident in Kakko and Lundell, and Maccelli has been a pleasant surprise. After them it’s very early to judge, but there is definitely a drop. The skating thing is true though, our junior teams constantly struggle with the speed of North Americans and even Switzerland these days. Some of that is just due to having to draw from a smaller talent pool, we just won’t get enough players with a combination of good skating, physique and other skills to fill a team each year, but I also have wondered whether our training is up to par.
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from
Barkov
Rantanen
Aho
Laine
Hintz

To
Lundell
Kakko
Maccelli

It is a pretty major drop.
We have teams with Finns as their franchise/cornerstone players.

I’m hoping all the best for Kakko& Lundell but it’s just hard to see them turn into that caliber players.

& yes we are a smaller country but there just seem to be lot of bad skating in our prospect pool.
I don’t think the focus is on the right places with us.

Where we are heavy on the off ice training Canadiens are heavy on on ice training, like McDavid and their training regime
 
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BB88 said:
from
Barkov
Rantanen
Aho
Laine
Hintz

To
Lundell
Kakko
Maccelli

It is a pretty major drop.
We have teams with Finns as their franchise/cornerstone players.

I’m hoping all the best for Kakko& Lundell but it’s just hard to see them turn into that caliber players.

& yes we are a smaller country but there just seem to be lot of bad skating in our prospect pool.
I don’t think the focus is on the right places with us.

Where we are heavy on the off ice training Canadiens are heavy on on ice training, like McDavid and their training regime
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Not sure how many Barkov’s and Rantanen’s are going to come along regardless of how good our development system is. Outside of them, we seem to be producing players in that Aho/Hintz tier fairly regularly, if you expect Kakko and/or Lundell to get there. If neither does, then it does look kind of bleak. But I think you are probably right, skating should be focused on as it seems to be a common hindrance with our prospects.
 
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BB88 said:
We should be concerned with our development system/program.

We seem to be returning back to Granlund era from our golden era.
Just very little to get excited about

& damm our skating program needs an overhaul big time
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Whole f***ing development system needs an HUGE overhaul.
It should start from SM liiga and get those NHL rinks every SM liiga arena.
Those airport rinks are history and so 1980-1990 century as hell.

But i don't see neither of SM liiga management and Finnish hockey association doing nothing.
Because we have done this last 20+ years so why to change something.

SM liiga management and big bosses from Finnish hockey association likes only
to sit into cabinet and drink cool-aids and live into fantasy world and believe how everything is fine.

Meanwhile some freaking nobody named Tomi Lämsä
who hasn't coached any national team last 10-15 yrs becomes a head coach
to U20 national team just because local kiss my ass sauna buddy club decided so.

U20 head coaches position should be 2nd important coaching job in Finnish hockey.
And that itself requires that our 18-20 yrs old players has a coaches who knows
how to win international tournaments, how to win games, how to develop players etc etc.

That's why we don't have any afford anymore
to hire or bring Lämsä type nobodies any national team coaching job.
Lämsä should be hot seat immediately when puck drops 2024 U20 WJC's.

If Lämsä cannot coach Finland to 2024 U20 WJC gold medal he should be fired immediately
And get banned to all coaching and player development job postions for a lifetime
including women's and girls national teams.
 
Jukurit said:
Miettinen 0 points
Rönni 0 points
This sums up Finland's terrible center depth. You simply can't make a good team when your 2nd and 3rd line centers are so ineffective. 16 year old Konsta Helenius would be an upgrade for Finland at center. That kid can skate!
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Oliver Kapanen's 1 G 1 A is pretty weak for C1 position also. 17:06 mins. a game, Miettinen had only 12:33 and Rönni 10:00...
 
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BB88 said:
Currently closer to it than Barkov era.

After Heiskanen (2017) we haven’t been able to produce a single elite player to the NHL.
Lundell could be 2nd, atleast a 2nd high quality player.

& skating is a major issue, too many of our top prospects are weak to average as skaters vs the rest of the world.
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Neither has Sweden after Dahlin. Granlund era will never return, but Barkov era was more of a crop of extremely talented players born close to each other.

But you are spot on with that skating issue, is that a system issue though? Guys like Lambert, Heiskanen etc. have developed that ability outside of team practise hours. But we lack that skating coach culture what NA has, i don't know whether we have many coaches that are 100% focused on skating.

We have a strong core coming with 2006 born players and hopefully it will continue. Unfortunately U20 league is a joke and young players are pushed to Liiga way too young, and aside of super talents, they can't play there with their strenghts. They need to modify their game so they don't cost their team any points.
 
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TheFinnishTrap said:
Not sure how many Barkov’s and Rantanen’s are going to come along regardless of how good our development system is. Outside of them, we seem to be producing players in that Aho/Hintz tier fairly regularly, if you expect Kakko and/or Lundell to get there. If neither does, then it does look kind of bleak. But I think you are probably right, skating should be focused on as it seems to be a common hindrance with our prospects.
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Neither Aho or Hintz are superstars but they are 1C’s and franchise players for their teams.

I want to see both of them succeed but I can’t see them realistically hit that level(Kakko/Lundell)
 
karhukissa said:
Neither has Sweden after Dahlin. Granlund era will never return, but Barkov era was more of a crop of extremely talented players born close to each other.

But you are spot on with that skating issue, is that a system issue though? Guys like Lambert, Heiskanen etc. have developed that ability outside of team practise hours. But we lack that skating coach culture what NA has, i don't know whether we have many coaches that are 100% focused on skating.

We have a strong core coming with 2006 born players and hopefully it will continue. Unfortunately U20 league is a joke and young players are pushed to Liiga way too young, and aside of super talents, they can't play there with their strenghts. They need to modify their game so they don't cost their team any points.
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Sweden has had Dahlin 2018, Raymond, now Lei Carlsson a top3/4 prospect for 2023 draft.
Then recent top picks Holtz, Eklund, Edvinsson.

Not super amazing but more consistent than ours.

It’s just incredible that almost all of our top prospects have skating issues and can argue that’s the main reason they don’t hit theie ceiling in the NHL.

Lundell, skating lacking
Kakko, skating lacking
Kotkaniemi, skating lacking
Laine, skating lacking
Rantanen, not as badly but skating was his weakness
Barkov, skating lacking
Ristolainen, skating lacking

ChicagoBullsFan said:
Whole f***ing development system needs an HUGE overhaul.
It should start from SM liiga and get those NHL rinks every SM liiga arena.
Those airport rinks are history and so 1980-1990 century as hell.

But i don't see neither of SM liiga management and Finnish hockey association doing nothing.
Because we have done this last 20+ years so why to change something.

SM liiga management and big bosses from Finnish hockey association likes only
to sit into cabinet and drink cool-aids and live into fantasy world and believe how everything is fine.

Meanwhile some freaking nobody named Tomi Lämsä
who hasn't coached any national team last 10-15 yrs becomes a head coach
to U20 national team just because local kiss my ass sauna buddy club decided so.

U20 head coaches position should be 2nd important coaching job in Finnish hockey.
And that itself requires that our 18-20 yrs old players has a coaches who knows
how to win international tournaments, how to win games, how to develop players etc etc.

That's why we don't have any afford anymore
to hire or bring Lämsä type nobodies any national team coaching job.
Lämsä should be hot seat immediately when puck drops 2024 U20 WJC's.

If Lämsä cannot coach Finland to 2024 U20 WJC gold medal he should be fired immediately
And get banned to all coaching and player development job postions for a lifetime
including women's and girls national teams.
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Hopefully our management isn’t too stuck on watching recent past achievements and just taking it easy.

This is a trend that’s been developing for sowm and some serious changes are needed.
We are wasting ton of talent right now
 
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BB88 said:
Sweden has had Dahlin 2018, Raymond, now Lei Carlsson a top3/4 prospect for 2023 draft.
Then recent top picks Holtz, Eklund, Edvinsson.

Not super amazing but more consistent than ours.

It’s just incredible that almost all of our top prospects have skating issues and can argue that’s the main reason they don’t hit theie ceiling in the NHL.

Lundell, skating lacking
Kakko, skating lacking
Kotkaniemi, skating lacking
Laine, skating lacking
Rantanen, not as badly but skating was his weakness
Barkov, skating lacking
Ristolainen, skating lacking



Hopefully our management isn’t too stuck on watching recent past achievements and just taking it easy.

This is a trend that’s been developing for sowm and some serious changes are needed.
We are wasting ton of talent right now
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Barkov has improved his skating, so i wouldnt list him anymore.
 
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BB88 said:
Barkov is an elite overall skater today.
I was talking about our development system/those players as prospects.

Barkov hired a figure skating coach on his own later on, that’s not credit to our development program
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My bad.. I thought list was about today, but you're right. And i knew that Barkov had hired coach to assist him in skating ;)
 
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Tomi Lämsä is close to lose more than his reputation
if / when Sweden mops ice of our players tonight should Lämsä
get fired immediately when team is back to Helsinki. My answer is YES.
 
I had low expectations for this team before the tournament but a loss vs Sweden will make me a bit mad, so win god dammit lol.
 
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ChicagoBullsFan said:
Whole f***ing development system needs an HUGE overhaul.
It should start from SM liiga and get those NHL rinks every SM liiga arena.
Those airport rinks are history and so 1980-1990 century as hell.
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They actually have been, we've had 28 meter wide rinks in just about every arena. Some arenas can't even do 26 meter wide rinks, such as Nordis.
 


The only change is the goalkeeper? I would have expected Lämsä to have made a few changes, could he have tried swapping the defensive pairs for example?
 
ChicagoBullsFan said:

MSN

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Tomi Lämsä is close to lose more than his reputation
if / when Sweden mops ice of our players tonight should Lämsä
get fired immediately when team is back to Helsinki. My answer is YES.
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And who would replace him? Rindell? Helminen? Pekka Virta? Hantta Virta? Pasi Mustonen? There is only bad options available. This game is a real test for Lämsä, now we will see how good of a coach he really is.

Lämsä should not get fired if or when Finland loses tonight. But after next year's tournament there might be couple good coaches available, Antti Törmänen and Petri Matikainen both of their contracts ends in 2024. The Finnish Ice Hockey Association should be calling them every other day at least. Törmänen is clearly the better coach but i think the coaching style of Matikainen could fit well in tournament hockey.

Matikainen was U20 asst coach in 2004, 2005 and 2007 and men's national team asst. coach in 2011 and 2012. Matikainen was member of the 1987 gold medal team, so he has the experience as player and as a coach. Törmänen has lot of player experience but no coaching experience in national team. I could see them both being interested.
 
Best game of the tournament by team Finland, close but no cigar. Very good effort from a team that has no center's and a pint sized defense.

Finland was bit shaky when the powerplay started in the end, there was enough time they just have just calmed down. But these are rookie mistakes.

Next year in Sweden is a good time to return in gold medal form.
 
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I liked that game. Best game for Finland so far. Unfortunate end but that happens.
 
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Vitun hidasta ylivoimaa tänään.
Laukauksissa kestää saatana 3 viikkoo ennen kun on edes viritykset ja tähtäys kohdallaan
Syötöissä kestää saatana 2 viikkoo ennen kun ne osuu edes siihen VITUN LAPAAN.

Päätöksen teko ylivoimalla helvetin hidasta
jopa saatana etana liikkuu nopeammin kuin mitä Suomen YV peli toimii.
Laukaukset paukkuu plekseihin tai vastustajan polvareihin ja tai sitten ne osuu maalivahdin pelipaidan logoon.

Ja sitten tuo vitun Heimosalmi vielä.
Siellä jätkä riplaa ja räplää kiekkoa ku joku vitun Petteri Nummelin ja kuis käy.
Hurri riistää kiekon ja karkaa alivoimalla yksin läpi ja PAM 2-3.
Ja Heimosalmi jää heti jo alussa kilotmetrin jälkeen ja kuin tikku paskaan.

Ja se joka tulee nyt tähän alle jotain vinkumaan Suomen kielen käytöstä.
Niin tässä sulle / teille terveiset. HAISTAKAA VITTU ja pitäkää turpanne kiinni.
Mua ei kannata nyt haastaa täällä mihinkää keskusteluun.

LÄMSÄ ULOS kiitos.
 
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