For the record, I was being facetious. I thought the obvious hyperbole of mentioning the UDHR made it clear.
Olympics: Team Finland 2022
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"Can't complain about a smaller problem because a larger problem exists" is a common fallacy. We are here to talk about hockey, of course there's going to be complaining about things related to hockey first and foremost. It confuses me that Jalonen caught a lot of flack from Finnish media too based on this very fallacy.
The players are 100% healthy, put on quarantine where they can't see anyone in an unknown place, served cold food and too little of it for an athlete, while sticking sticks to their noses every day. All this for no reason, as actual science doesn't support the need to quarantine a human who had a symptomless covid literal weeks ago. Hardly sounds like a 5 star hotel treatment. But hey, at least Anttila got an exercise bike recently. Again, this is obviously absolutely nothing compared to the treatment of Uighurs for example, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Team Finland will not miss a few players, but it's a matter of principle, and I fear how the rest of the tournament goes.
I must admit that I was wrong about one thing prior to the tournament though, I didn't think China's quarantine protocol was going to be this big of a problem, and argued so in this forum. I thought that they would try their best not to make anyone mad during the Olympics, but it seems like they don't give a damn.
mattihp
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This is where this host differs from earlier big event hosts who at least tone down their poopiness. China is too proud of what it is to tone it down as they think it is right.
Dialogue with the outside world is not a feature of the Chinese system, even public officials generally have no awareness of foreign narratives to start with. So foreign views of how things should be done simply do not compute and it was always going to be the Chinese way or the highway with these games. Small concessions regarding things like quarantine conditions are possible when an issue is pressed hard enough through the right channels, but that's going to be an uphill battle in every single case.
Of course it's bullshit. Antilla is isolated outside the complex, so on the way to the hotel the food gets cold, no conspiracy. The journey takes a long time, so Antilla gets cold spaghetti. Jalonen or Antilla himself complained about small portions of food, because I think Antilla weighs 95 kg and got little food.
Indeed I was implying that Russia would be behind it since Finland and Russia are supposed to be some kind of gold favorites, although Czech and Sweden are up there as well in my opinion. It was probably just a coincidence though that the players weren't just any players.
Quite unlikely that RUS would do that since I believe that Russia has had their own Covid problems with their players. I read that 6 players from the RUS team had covid about a week ago. I'm not sure if those RUS players got Anttila & Olkinuora treatment or were they pulled out from the RUS team before they took the flight to China. It would be interesting to know were any RUS players sent to a Chinese Covid isolation hotel.
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Nope.
Connecting the treatment of Uyghurs with mundane shortcomings in the accommodation they offer for people in isolation is the fallacy here.
Once you've made the decision not to boycott the Games, you have made a conscious decision that being a part of it is acceptable and ethical. To somehow make the leap in logic and bring up Uyghurs and censorship as soon as someone has a mattress that's too hard or too soft is what's the fallacy here. You already made the decision by going there. Own up.
As for the accommodation, these types of issues were present also in the Tokyo games. People were depressed and crying. That's what happens when you have to live in an isolated space away from people. There is no way around it in a global pandemic if you don't want outbreaks to end it all mid-way.
Conspiracy of the cold spaghetti. We must put that in the history books
. I blame the Italians for this conspiracy for inventing such food. If Finland wins gold it will be remember as gold spaghetti.
IceHockeyDude
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This was the point I was making. And sure you can complain about the treatment of Anttila as many already have but I don't see it as a problem that can not be overcome. There are much bigger issues in the way China handles the human rights or the lack of them.
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mattihp
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mattihp
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Why is he even on the team? Seriously, a fourth liner in the KHL, why should he be the captain for Finland, when they got Filppula and Komarov. I might be stupid but why is he even on the team?
Thank you, you tried to be as innocent as possible. But what do you mean in "he appears on the scoresheet". 3 lucky goals in 2019? An announcer made him an national hero. What has he done since that or before that? A fourth liner in KHL before 2019 and a fourth Liner in KHL after. No business in the olympics if we base his performance regarding production.
swissdude
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my point is that if you build your team on production only you won't win gold
Goalie Juvonen was called from Finland to fly to China apparently. Probably some back up of back up goalies thing or is he better than Tuohimaa? Coaching staff probably wants to avoid the worst case scenario where all of our goalies would be locked up in covid jail, cause that would mean Mörkö on goal.
Juvonen seems to have .896 save % this season with Jokerit. That doesn't sound great, but still better than Mörkö.
Juvonen seems to have .896 save % this season with Jokerit. That doesn't sound great, but still better than Mörkö.
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swissdude
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it's the flags from ukrainia and armenia but don't know why they're hanging there lol
SoundAndFury
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1. That's not a Ukrainian flag. It's actually San Marino.
2. It's probably a shared facility therefore flags of countries "residing".
Describing yourself?
