Olympics: Team Finland 2022

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Seriously, a fourth liner in the KHL, why should he be the captain for Finland, when they got Filppula and Komarov. I might be stupid but why is he even on the team?

Leadership, penalty kill and dependable fourth liner who can grind and score occasional goal. Due his reach very difficult to play against. Loads of experience.

Admittedly he has some of that year 2019 halo that keeps him in the team. Can't think of other player who should be in for similar role though.
 
San Marino has the blue on the bottom, and a crest
Flags without crest are also very popular as shown there: File:Flag of San Marino (civil).svg - Wikimedia Commons

But you are right about the color scheme. Having said that, Ukraine's flag is blue and yellow and unless I became colorblind or there is some kind of filter there (which somehow doesn't affect the Armenian flag) that does not look very yellow to me.
 
Goalie Juvonen was called from Finland to fly to China apparently. Probably some back up of back up goalies thing or is he better than Tuohimaa?
He is there because you need to dress two goalies for each game. And given how volatilely and randomly one can end up in COVID jail, it is not beyond question that two of the three we already have might land in Fort Spaghetti at the same time.

Juvonen won't take preference over any of the three goalies we already have.
 
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There are no exceptions for anyone, at least 71 athletes arrived in Beijing with positive results. That is all. If the athletes were not aware of what will happen, they have nobody to blame but their home countries for not explaining to them what are the quarantine rules in China is.

Despite what the coach is saying, he is saying "he is healthy" despite being positive 3 weeks ago, he lands in Beijing with a positive test, he goes into quarantine.

Finnish coach bithcing through media, as far as I know, Olympic organizers >>>>>> Finnish coach who is just uttering "he is healthy" yea, present a positive test first moron! They have every right to make sure one player doesn't infect others!

Now that he's out hopefully he can enjoy some food served by robots.









https://youtu.be/G0XIdwsD-gE
 
The players are 100% healthy,

wrong.

some players are, and some aren't. I know 6 Khlers for team Russia and a coach arrived positive. They will go into isolation. aaaand.... the Russian coach or manager can do whatever they want, say "he is healthy" blah blah, cry to the media, do whatever the f*** they want, if they are "positive' they go into isolation. the athletes were aware of the conditions of competing in the olympics. It doesn't matter chinese, American, they so straight to isolation.
 
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They have every right to make sure one player doesn't infect others!
Which is what everyone is doing. You see, the tests don't measure a binary "has COVID/doesn't have COVID" condition - it's about thresholds. As you can still have some minuscule amounts of virus in your system after recovering but be completely asymptomatic and not a spreader. Most tests with individuals like these return as negative. However, the tests the Chinese authorities use measure much stricter thresholds, and thus otherwise healthy and non-contagious individuals who present no risk to anyone around land in isolation.

The Finnish coach is upset, because he's been told by the team's own doctors, based on verified medical science, that these players are not putting anyone in danger, yet the Chinese are treating them as if they were.
 
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Which is what everyone is doing. You see, the tests don't measure a binary "has COVID/doesn't have COVID" condition - it's about thresholds. As you can still have some minuscule amounts of virus in your system after recovering but be completely asymptomatic and not a spreader. Most tests with individuals like these return as negative. However, the tests the Chinese authorities use measure much stricter thresholds, and thus otherwise healthy and non-contagious individuals who present no risk to anyone around land in isolation.

The Finnish coach is upset, because he's been told by the team's own doctors, based on verified medical science, that these players are not putting anyone in danger, yet the Chinese are treating them as if they were.


The Chinese have every right to do whatever they can to protect the 3000 other athletes, if it means keeping one mouthy Finnish athlete from leaving isolation despite having a positive, they will do it.
 
The Chinese have every right to do whatever they can to protect the 3000 other athletes, if it means keeping one mouthy Finnish athlete from leaving isolation despite having a positive, they will do it.
Of course they do whatever they want. But it's not like the Finnish coach is just running his mouth based on "the player doesn't look sick or act sick, so he can't be sick". And if the Finnish medical professionals who travel with the team keep telling him there's no risk, he's going to keep running his mouth, no matter what the Chinese officials or lawrence on HFBoards says.
 
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Of course they do whatever they want. But it's not like the Finnish coach is just running his mouth based on "the player doesn't look sick or act sick, so he can't be sick". And if the Finnish medical professionals who travel with the team keep telling him there's no risk, he's going to keep running his mouth, no matter what the Chinese officials or lawrence on HFBoards says.

but he was positive…. That’s all
It matters. He’s out now right ? Now tell him to enjoy the food. Thankfully Chinese also doesn’t give 2 shits what a Finnish doctor says. He was positive he’s positive. Chinese gives him an exception they give them all an exception.
 
Olkinuora released from isolation. Surprisingly quickly, I must say.

some were out in like 2 days. Not surprised. For example the Russian had like 6 positives on arrival thankfully they all good to go.
 
Thankfully Chinese also doesn’t give 2 shits what a Finnish doctor says. He was positive he’s positive.
You're just attempting to save face now. No matter what the Chinese isolation rules are, you called the Finnish coach a "moron" for questioning them - even though he was questioning them on the grounds of what his own team's medical professionals were telling him. That does not automatically mean Finnish doctors are more right than the Chinese, but it also doesn't make the coach a moron.

You got caught giving a hot take about a case you didn't know half the facts about, and now you're trying to hide behind the "positive is positive is positive" mantra.
 
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You're just attempting to save face now. No matter what the Chinese isolation rules are, you called the Finnish coach a "moron" for questioning them - even though he was questioning them on the grounds of what his own team's medical professionals were telling him. That does not automatically mean Finnish doctors are more right than the Chinese, but it also doesn't make the coach a moron.

You got caught giving a hot take about a case you didn't know half the facts about, and now you're trying to hide behind the "positive is positive is positive" mantra.

Couldn’t give 2 shits about face. They don’t want to take any risks. Extremely selfish of the Finnish coach or doctors to try to talk their way out of a positive result that may hurt first all his entire f in team! He’s positive 3 weeks ago! He was positive when he landed! Now he wants to put everyone at risk ? What a selfish player ! They want to disrespect the decision fine at least respect all the other healthy athletes!

imagine the damn headlines if it turned out they caved into a Finnish doctor who try to talk their way out of quarantine! My gosh main stream media would have used this as an opportunity to blame China for letting go a positive result athlete.
Btw he looks like shit, my gosh that is a face of something that is sick as hell. Tell him to hit the cafe and order up some food from robot chefs.
 
Extremely selfish of the Finnish coach or doctors to try to talk their way out of a positive result that may hurt first all his entire f in team!
Lolwut? You're seriously implying that the Finnish team's doctors are not giving a damn if the entire Finnish team catches COVID or not? The fact that they deemed the player safe is what most logical people would consider a more weighty statement than what people outside the team say - as it's their reputation (and jobs) on the line.

Seriously. You're a flippin' joke. Not gonna engage with you anymore.
 
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Lolwut? You're seriously implying that the Finnish team's doctors are not giving a damn if the entire Finnish team catches COVID or not? The fact that they deemed the player safe is what most logical people would consider a more weighty statement than what people outside the team say - as it's their reputation (and jobs) on the line.

Seriously. You're a flippin' joke. Not gonna engage with you anymore.

What kind of doctor deems his player safe with a positive test result ? My gawd frickin reckless. I be pissed if any Canadian player or coach pulled the same shit.
 
What kind of doctor deems his player safe with a positive test result ?
Already explained in my very first reply to you:

You see, the tests don't measure a binary "has COVID/doesn't have COVID" condition - it's about thresholds. As you can still have some minuscule amounts of virus in your system after recovering but be completely asymptomatic and not a spreader. Most tests with individuals like these return as negative. However, the tests the Chinese authorities use measure much stricter thresholds, and thus otherwise healthy and non-contagious individuals who present no risk to anyone around land in isolation.
The team's internal testing returns negatives while the tests taken by the Chinese returns positives, and the team's own doctors are putting their reputations on the line that the players are all safe - because the very, very, very little amounts of virus (that show in the Chinese tests but not in the team's own ones, because they've not been designed to catch stuff under the safe threshold) the players may still have their systems aren't spreading anywhere.

Are you a medical professional, by the way? Gauging your expertise on the topic. I'm not - that's why all I can do is repeat what the Finnish team is telling us about the situation, based on the statements by the team's own medical personnel.
 
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What kind of doctor deems his player safe with a positive test result ? My gawd frickin reckless. I be pissed if any Canadian player or coach pulled the same shit.
Umm okay? Marko Anttila was tested in Finland, results were negative = he's good to go. He travelled to China with his teammates, long flight. Team was closely together in the airport, plane etc. And also before that.

There are no new covid cases in Team Finland despite players being in contact with Marko Anttila. Finnish team doctor said "There are no medical reasons to keep him in quarantine because he's symptom free and is not contagious"

And obviously doctor was correct, there are zero new covid cases in Team Finland. Obviously Chinese people went by the book and did their job, i can't blame them.

But i also understand Jukka Jalonen, it's quite ridiculous what finnish media wrote about him. Especially Hiitelä. Jalonen has only one job = Winning gold. It's brutal but at this point he only cares about this team and winning. Ilta-Sanomat should've boycotted these Olympics beforehand and said that we shouldn't send anyone there, since they are so worried about human rights in China.
 
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wrong.

some players are, and some aren't. I know 6 Khlers for team Russia and a coach arrived positive. They will go into isolation. aaaand.... the Russian coach or manager can do whatever they want, say "he is healthy" blah blah, cry to the media, do whatever the f*** they want, if they are "positive' they go into isolation. the athletes were aware of the conditions of competing in the olympics. It doesn't matter chinese, American, they so straight to isolation.

I was talking about the Finnish players in question, not about all the players. Of course some other players might have actual symptoms.

But this is omicron we are talking about, and young athletes in their prime. The vast vast majority of their positive cases will be non symptomatic or very very mild. That is a fact. But I digress, it was just about Anttila, who said himself to be non symptomatic.

The problem is that China's definition of Corona positive is asinine. But again, I admit to have been wrong about China, I thought too much of them.
 
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There are no new covid cases in Team Finland despite players being in contact with Marko Anttila.


https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/hockey/valtonen-china-anttila-1.6341466

"When Anttila arrived in China he tested positive and was immediately taken to an isolation hotel"

case closed. Even the whiner in this article claimed it was a positive test. He needs to suck it up, and go into isolation like the 300 other athletes who arrived positive. I'm glad he's ok now.
 
The problem is that China's definition of Corona positive is asinine.

??? it's a pcr test kit..... there is nothing more or nothing less.... they didn't rig it for their standard.... and let you said most of them are out in a few days.
 
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/hockey/valtonen-china-anttila-1.6341466

"When Anttila arrived in China he tested positive and was immediately taken to an isolation hotel"

case closed. Even the whiner in this article claimed it was a positive test. He needs to suck it up, and go into isolation like the 300 other athletes who arrived positive. I'm glad he's ok now.

China has a very different PCR value threshold for a positive test. It was not positive by the standards of basically any other country, as it is normal that the PCR values stay a little higher after having COVID, despite there no longer being a risk of transmission. Do you not trust Finnish doctors?

Anyways, I think I'm done too. It's like talking to a wall, I think our opinion on testing in gengeral is very different. (I think Sweden did the right thing by stopping testing, it no longer seems worth it)
 
case closed.
The story you quote omits the medical explanation Dr. Valtonen gave for their questioning the Chinese authorities' decision, something I've tried to explain to you - twice. But for some reason, it's not getting through. Once again, it depends on the testing methods - the difference in those may literally return the same sample as either positive or negative.

Coach Jalonen went way overboard, though, when he called it a human rights violation. They should have stuck to the medical reasoning - which is still the main point they were raising.
 
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China has a very different PCR value threshold for a positive test. It was not positive by the standards of basically any other country, as it is normal that the PCR values stay a little higher after having COVID, despite there no longer being a risk of transmission. Do you not trust Finnish doctors?

it's plain and simple, every athlete will be tested with the same kit wether you love it or hate it out of the 300 + athletes that have been quarantined no one else is really complaining. I'm sure there are lots of explanations that are actually reasonable and so for. I understand but right now it' has nothing to do with the Finnish doctor or anything, I'm not really against that. If it was a Canadian athlete doing the same thing I will also speak out at the same level. Just present a positive result you will be fine, this is was why our game between Canadians and Russians was delayed because the Canadians wanted to test results from the Russians etc etc. Either way I"m glad he's alright. Hope he's ready against the Slovaks tomorrow.
 

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