WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

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why 2 checking lines? yes 3rd line is checking unit with lammikko and sallinen

also would not this be better:

lehtonen - ohtamaa
Seppälä - Hietanen
 
Anyone know the power play units? Especially the defence info would benefit my fantasy roster.
 
why 2 checking lines? yes 3rd line is checking unit with lammikko and sallinen

also would not this be better:

lehtonen - ohtamaa
Seppälä - Hietanen

The Olympic finals had:

Lehtonen-Hietanen
Ohtamaa-Pokka

That's why Jalonen wants to keep them together.

This was the line up in the Olympic final. Many of the same players - I will bold the players who are together again:

60 Markus Granlund 65 Sakari Manninen – 70 Teemu Hartikainen
4 Mikko Lehtonen – 38 Juuso Hietanen


2:
82 Harri Pesonen – 51 Valtteri Filppula 81 Iiro Pakarinen
40 Petteri Lindbohm –
42 Sami Vatanen

3:
15 Miro Aaltonen – 28 Joonas Nättinen – 71 Leo Komarov
3 Niklas Friman – 13 Valtteri Kemiläinen

4:
80 Saku Mäenalanen – 24 Hannes Björninen – 12 Marko Anttila
55 Atte Ohtamaa – 2 Ville Pokka


The funny thing is that the only players who are in this team again but aren't with some of the same people as D-pair or as line mates are Friman and Vatanen so Jalonen just put them together. My point is that Jalonen didn't put them together with someone outside of the Olympic finalists. They didn't look amazing together when they were tested on EHT as a pair, but Jalonen still wants to see how it will go if they have more time together I guess.

Armia is the Pakarinen replacement. Pakarinen is very good, but Pakarinen is poor man's Armia. Pakarinen is a proven winner though and Armia still has something to prove in international games.

MiG is MaG's replacement. It's funny how easy it is to explain all that they did because Jalonen kept things really simple when we compare the lines of today's game to the Olympic final lines.

Obviously that 3rd line is completely gone and we already have 3rd & 4th line in this team (one could say 2x 4th lines). My unrealistic dream is to have Carolina out in game 7 and that Jalonen would gamble and use those last two slots for Aho+TT. That would be a new line that is offensively productive from the get go and they can obviously be put in any other situation as well. This would be a big gamble to have only 7 D-men registered in the tournament if injuries or illnesses would happen, so I guess it won't happen. Too bad that he had to register Innala because by Latvia game we'll have 13 forwards registered for no reason. Basically we lost the chance for Aho+TT when he registered Innala. Considering the fact that Jalonen doesn't take big risks, it's most likely not going to happen that he would take both Aho+TT. A chance for it to happen would increase if both Florida and Dallas would advance to the second round of SC playoffs. Even in that case he might take Määttä or even a D-man from SHL finals. That one registration slot used on Innala mattered so much! It would've been perfect if they didn't do that, but oh well it's done.
 
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why 2 checking lines? yes 3rd line is checking unit with lammikko and sallinen

also would not this be better:

lehtonen - ohtamaa
Seppälä - Hietanen
That's not how Jalonen puts together vis pairings really.

That third line will have a bit more firepower once Armia is moved down.
 
Sihvonen said few hours ago that Honka is a better fit for this team than Lepistö, because Honka shoots from the right.

According to stats Jesse Virtanen was good in the championship winning team, Färjestad. I personally prefer the size of Lepistö and his wellroundedness and experience over those other D-men. My feeling is that it's definitely not Kaski. It would indeed be one of those SHL finalists.

I got a feeling that we won't be so unlucky that one or two of Mikkola, Määttä, Lindell, Heiskanen or Hakanpää wouldn't become available.

Maybe Jalonen decides which SHL guy he gets after the Norway game. He sees a lack of something with the D-pairs during the Norway game and he makes his decision of which SHL defender he would invite based on the need of that moment, but again that guy would have to be a back up until we would see if someone from NHL would be coming.
Virtanen has a same problem as Lepistö, no NT games recently. Honka played 1 EHT games this year, he has the best chance to make it of those 3. But Kaski is more suitable for "our game" due to his size, reach and strenght and Kaski is better defensively than Honka. But what kind of role is planned for the 8th defenseman? Do we need another PMD? We already have Lehtonen, Vatanen and Hietanen if it's necessary, allthough Hietanen had more defensive role in the Olympics and camp. Role probably doesn't matter that much if the 8th defenseman comes from NHL.

I would say that the defense would have been locked already if Jokiharju would have been healthy. But what was the role planned for Jokiharju? When he was a junior he was a PMD, but in the NHL he has became more defensive orientated. In the camp it looked like he was playing in "Kemiläinen's role" from the Olympics, which was more offensive role. Both Honka and Kaski can play in that role, but if the role was to be more defensive Kaski is more suitable. Kaski also have more recent and more succesful tournaments and he was in the Olympics taxi squad. But Sihvonen is right for a once, Honka is more suitable than Lepistö.

And i was going to say that Jalonen wants perfect balance like in the Olympics, 4 lefties and 4 righties but today 2nd pair against Norway is Seppälä-Ohtamaa. So maybe the handess doesn't matter that much after all. Personally i would prefer more size. Lot of questions and very few answers. ;)
 
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Virtanen has a same problem as Lepistö, no NT games recently. Honka played 1 EHT games this year, he has the best chance to make it of those 3. But Kaski is more suitable for "our game" due to his size, reach and strenght and Kaski is better defensively than Honka. But what kind of role is planned for the 8th defenseman? Do we need another PMD? We already have Lehtonen, Vatanen and Hietanen if it's necessary, allthough Hietanen had more defensive role in the Olympics and camp. Role probably doesn't matter that much if the 8th defenseman comes from NHL.

I would say that the defense would have been locked already if Jokiharju would have been healthy. But what was the role planned for Jokiharju? When he was a junior he was a PMD, but in the NHL he has became more defensive orientated. In the camp it looked like he was playing in "Kemiläinen's role" from the Olympics, which was more offensive role. Both Honka and Kaski can play in that role, but if the role was to be more defensive Kaski is more suitable. Kaski also have more recent and more succesful tournaments and he was in the Olympics taxi squad. But Sihvonen is right for a once, Honka is more suitable than Lepistö.

And i was going to say that Jalonen wants perfect balance like in the Olympics, 4 lefties and 4 righties but today 2nd pair against Norway is Seppälä-Ohtamaa. So maybe the handess doesn't matter that much after all. Personally i would prefer more size. Lot of questions and very few answers. ;)

Good post and good points, but my feeling is that it's Lepistö regardless of all that. Handidness speaks against it but despite of the lack of recent EHT appearances by Lepistö, he has a TON of international experience, he is a big leader, he is a rather big D-man and he is a well rounded defenseman. Jalonen might have locked Lepistö to be in the team long time ago after he heard about Lepistö's interest about playing in the NT again and now he was just checking whether Lepistö will get injured in the SHL or not. Him playing in the SHL playoffs that long put a curve ball to this plan and now he had to register these 7 current D-men because Lepistö would arrive so late, thus Lepistö will be just a back up guy.

So if we miss out on all of the NHL D-men, Lepistö might be Jalonen's pick even over having both TT+Aho, because 7 D-men for the duration of the entire tournament would be very unlikely with injury and illness risks.
 
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Lepistö, he has a TON of international experience, he is a big leader, he is a rather big D-man and he is a well rounded defenseman.
Yes, you can't deny that and i posted yesterday, that Jalonen has selected 4 players before without any EHT games in that year. So it's not unheard of, but it's rare.

Granlund in 2011, Micke was on top of the world back then and he did play few EHT games year before.
Salmela in 2012, Anssi was part of the 2011 gold medal team, he didn't have to prove much to get selected.
Mäntylä in 2013, "Lecter" Mäntylä is best comparison for Lepistö right now. Similar backround in the NT, played several tournaments before like Lepistö.
Raanta in 2013, probably the most anti-Jalonen-like selection ever, zero NT games before the selection and was selected to a starting goalie.
 
Niklas Friman to Brynäs. Mikko Manner is stealing players. I wonder if not Mikko is Jalonens replacement in the future.
 
The Olympic finals had:

Lehtonen-Hietanen
Ohtamaa-Pokka

That's why Jalonen wants to keep them together.

This was the line up in the Olympic final. Many of the same players - I will bold the players who are together again:

60 Markus Granlund 65 Sakari Manninen – 70 Teemu Hartikainen
4 Mikko Lehtonen – 38 Juuso Hietanen


2:
82 Harri Pesonen – 51 Valtteri Filppula 81 Iiro Pakarinen
40 Petteri Lindbohm –
42 Sami Vatanen

3:
15 Miro Aaltonen – 28 Joonas Nättinen – 71 Leo Komarov
3 Niklas Friman – 13 Valtteri Kemiläinen

4:
80 Saku Mäenalanen – 24 Hannes Björninen – 12 Marko Anttila
55 Atte Ohtamaa – 2 Ville Pokka


The funny thing is that the only players who are in this team again but aren't with some of the same people as D-pair or as line mates are Friman and Vatanen so Jalonen just put them together. My point is that Jalonen didn't put them together with someone outside of the Olympic finalists. They didn't look amazing together when they were tested on EHT as a pair, but Jalonen still wants to see how it will go if they have more time together I guess.

Armia is the Pakarinen replacement. Pakarinen is very good, but Pakarinen is poor man's Armia. Pakarinen is a proven winner though and Armia still has something to prove in international games.

MiG is MaG's replacement. It's funny how easy it is to explain all that they did because Jalonen kept things really simple when we compare the lines of today's game to the Olympic final lines.

Obviously that 3rd line is completely gone and we already have 3rd & 4th line in this team (one could say 2x 4th lines). My unrealistic dream is to have Carolina out in game 7 and that Jalonen would gamble and use those last two slots for Aho+TT. That would be a new line that is offensively productive from the get go and they can obviously be put in any other situation as well. This would be a big gamble to have only 7 D-men registered in the tournament if injuries or illnesses would happen, so I guess it won't happen. Too bad that he had to register Innala because by Latvia game we'll have 13 forwards registered for no reason. Basically we lost the chance for Aho+TT when he registered Innala. Considering the fact that Jalonen doesn't take big risks, it's most likely not going to happen that he would take both Aho+TT. A chance for it to happen would increase if both Florida and Dallas would advance to the second round of SC playoffs. Even in that case he might take Määttä or even a D-man from SHL finals. That one registration slot used on Innala mattered so much! It would've been perfect if they didn't do that, but oh well it's done.
If Jalonen actually doesn't get 8 defenceman I'm gonna write an apology message since I see that so unrealistic based on everyrhing Jalonen has said. Its a shame if both Dallas and Carolina are out since it would've helped the team building so much more if the series were over already.

So I hope Carolina wins and Dallas loses so there won't be much more room for speculation and "what if".
 
Can't say I'm a fan of just leaving 2 spots open, not now when our best NHL players have showed interest. But oh well let's hope for Heiskainen and Hintz/Aho
 
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Yes, you can't deny that and i posted yesterday, that Jalonen has selected 4 players before without any EHT games in that year. So it's not unheard of, but it's rare.

Granlund in 2011, Micke was on top of the world back then and he did play few EHT games year before.
Salmela in 2012, Anssi was part of the 2011 gold medal team, he didn't have to prove much to get selected.
Mäntylä in 2013, "Lecter" Mäntylä is best comparison for Lepistö right now. Similar backround in the NT, played several tournaments before like Lepistö.
Raanta in 2013, probably the most anti-Jalonen-like selection ever, zero NT games before the selection and was selected to a starting goalie.

I see Jalonen making an exception like that with Lepistö. Just a gut feeling, but again I don't think that Lepistö will play a single game in the upcoming WHC tournament, it will be some NHL defender taking his place so Lepistö will be a back up player who won't be part of the max 22 registered non goalies.
 
Niklas Friman to Brynäs. Mikko Manner is stealing players. I wonder if not Mikko is Jalonens replacement in the future.

Before the other Jalonen, K,Jalonen signed a multiyear deal with Czech, I had him as a potential J.Jalonen replacement. Pennanen is another one and there are more names, but I can't remember them all right now. Oh yeah Jussi Ahokas. Erkka Westerlund probably wouldn't make a come back anymore at his age. Antti Törmänen has potential for that job as well. I don't think that Manner is the front runner for the job. Just my personal opinion.
 
I see Jalonen making an exception like that with Lepistö. Just a gut feeling, but again I don't think that Lepistö will play a single game in the upcoming WHC tournament, it will be some NHL defender taking his place so Lepistö will be a back up player who won't be part of the max 22 registered non goalies.
Someone from the NHL is interested, otherwise Jalonen would have registered someone from Europe.
 
If Jalonen actually doesn't get 8 defenceman I'm gonna write an apology message since I see that so unrealistic based on everyrhing Jalonen has said. Its a shame if both Dallas and Carolina are out since it would've helped the team building so much more if the series were over already.

So I hope Carolina wins and Dallas loses so there won't be much more room for speculation and "what if".

Yeah there's only a small chance for it, but there is a chance. It could be just one of Aho or TT, which would be a shame or some of Dallas or Florida guys or Määttä.

True that it would end the speculation indeed.
 
Before the other Jalonen, K,Jalonen signed a multiyear deal with Czech, I had him as a potential J.Jalonen replacement. Pennanen is another one and there are more names, but I can't remember them all right now. Oh yeah Jussi Ahokas. Erkka Westerlund probably wouldn't make a come back anymore at his age. Antti Törmänen has potential for that job as well. I don't think that Manner is the front runner for the job. Just my personal opinion.
As a Kärpät fan I don't want Manner. Would love Törmänen, a player I grew up watching wearing the Leijonat jersey
 
Someone from the NHL is interested, otherwise Jalonen would have registered someone from Europe.

I'm sure that plenty of them are interested. No doubt about that. Lehtinen & Jalonen weren't lying when they said that in this case.

Innala has to impress Jalonen today if he wants to keep his spot in the top-12 forwards. Maybe they could knock out someone else out of the 12 forwards when they make room for Granny. It's kind of difficult to do that though. Maybe some more scoring to the 3rd line could do againt the easier opponents, so Innala there maybe. Okay Innala vs Rajala could be it.
 
So I take it Jokiharju's spot could not be held until he tested negative? He was looking forward to getting a shot to play in his home town.
 

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