That's most likely not possible. You added 5 more players from the NHL playoffs round 1. If Jalonen gambles 4 is possible, but he most likely won't so the number really is 3. Then that 3 might be just 2 NHL players if Lepistö will be registered. Sorry but you need to remove 2-3 of those 5 players and make new lines.
WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk
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That's most likely not possible. You added 5 more players from the NHL playoffs round 1. If Jalonen gambles 4 is possible, but he most likely won't so the number really is 3. Then that 3 might be just 2 NHL players if Lepistö will be registered. Sorry but you need to remove 2-3 of those 5 players and make new lines.
Eye of Ra
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Yeah he's the other guy along with Lepistö. Could be that both are invited but not registered also. That they would be there in case we couldn't get NHL guys. That plan would be good by Jalonen.
Finnish major media sites are pretty much only talking about those two.
Leijonat - Muutoksia Leijonien kokoonpanoon: Saku Mäenalanen pelikunnossa, Petrus Palmu joutuu jättämään joukkueen
Leijonien kokoonpanoon tulee kisojen alla muutoksia. Koska hyökkääjä Saku Mäenalanen on pelikunnossa, joutuu Petrus Palmu jättämään joukkueen. Leijonien ensimmäiset kisapassit leimataan illalla käynnistyvässä direktoraatin kokouksessa....
Palmu cut.
Doesn't mean anyone has been registered yet, though. Right now, it seems though that Nurmi and possibly Innala (depending on whether MiG makes the opening game or not) will be the extras for the time being.
Jalonen assumed that MiG will miss the opening game but we'll see.
If they register Granlund today at 20:00, then I think that he will play against Norway already, because there is no reason to register him before he plays. For example he could have Covid when he arrives so no need to use a slot on someone who wouldn't be healthy. If I remember right, I think that the rules say that 15/22 non goalies must be registered at 20:00 today.
I hope that Lepistö and Tyrväinen will be added as more extras over some other extras. In other words we would upgrade some of the extra(s). Tyrväinen > Nurmi. Innala could remain as an extra then, so we would have two different types of forwards.
You mean, invite Tyrväinen to the scene, then let him hang around as an unregistered extra? Seriously? And if you mean they should just add him into the lineup, I can still think of better use for those final forward spots - like Hintz and/or Haula. Also, Tyrväinen would be completely redundant at this point - we've already got more than enough centers to cover every possible role - Manninen, MiG, Filppula, Lammikko, Björninen, Sallinen. He's not a significant upgrade over any of those guys.
So waiting till the end of first round as there is genuine interest among the top players. And we will be wiser tonight as we see the first registrations. Surprising for me was that he "does not know" the exact time of arrival of Mikke. So I guess he is already in Finland today and visiting home before joining the team? My own experience with players arriving was always knowing the flights, organizing the transportation of the players from the airport already...
But anyways very exiting Finnish team and home tournament. New arena, Tampere as the cradle of Finnish hockey in a big center of the hockey year that already includes Olympic Gold. And names like Aho, Barkov and Hintz in the mix even today sounds thrilling...
mattihp
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Mestaruus and Eye of Ra are in love with Tyrväinen. Maybe they can form their own 3-on-3 team?
I wouldn't mind Manninen on the wing.
Manninen - Granlund - Härski
FinPanda
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In my opinion Tyrväinen's best chance to play in the tournament is to just join the "camp" of players and then hope that some injuries would happen in the first games of Finland or that Covid would happen on some players, so that Jalonen would need player(s) fast and preferably his type of player. Of course this would be a disaster, because then they wouldn't be able to use all of the "bonus slots" for NHL players.
Mtv3 was just writing how good of a guy he is, so that he is not the type of guy that would complain even if he's there as some kind of extra player or as a back up guy, what ever you wanna call that.
Of course we wouldn't use a "bonus slot" on Tyrväinen over some of those NHL star caliber players, but he would be there as back up. It also matters if they win the SHL championship or not. It would be better to take players from the SHL finals G7 losing team than the winning team, because that celebrating always takes a little bit more of time, even if those players would leave the party early.
Don't forget that he can play on the wing as well.
I'd also be really interested to know how fast are they able to set up or book their flight tickets and that kind of stuff, to know in detail how they exactly do it. I'm guessing that private planes are out of the question, but you never know if a Dallas legend like Jere Lehtinen can pull some strings and get favors from the rich Dallas owners and borrow their plane, even if that Dallas leadership is also pissed of not getting closer to the Stanley Cup. I think it's quite unlikely though that they'd get private planes in use.
It just sucks to put someone like Mi.Granlund on a commercial flight where he can easily catch Covid, but that's probably how it's done.
You got to understand that I never suggested registering Tyrväinen. That's kind of taking my comment out of context TBH. Actually both File and you just took my comment out of context. Did you even read my post or did you only read File's out of context reply? What a silly comment by you but I'll forgive you for that.
I don't even watch SHL finals, but I'll admit that I've bought into the hype a little bit. His stats look good, he's a Jalonen familiar, he has been part of Jalonen's championship team and I wouldn't say that he was a small part of it.
So he's having a good season so why not include him as a back up guy. He wouldn't be registered but in case injuries or Covid would happen in Norway & Latvia games or something like that, then there would be a better alternate guy and perhaps upgraded alternate guy over someone else in the camp for the type of role that Tyrväinen can play. He can be used as a winger or as a center, like Sallinen. I'm not sure if Jalonen is registering Sallinen for Norway game right away. It kind of looks that Sallinen will be registered early... We'll see in about 2 hours.
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I think so too. They can't risk the entire team right away with someone who is arriving by a commercial flight with other random people in it most likely. They need some hours to half a day, to make it closer to a risk free situation.
I think that no need to register Granlund in 2 hours from now if he won't play in the Norway game.
It's pretty much a given this won't happen. They'll either invite Tyrväinen with the express intent of registering him, or not at all. We can deduce as much from today's cutting of Palmu. They initially picked 15 forwards because they weren't certain if Mäenalanen could play or not. Not that they know he's healthy, they cut the roster down to the ordinary 14 - and they will register those they intend to dress for tomorrow's game in a couple of hours' time. This will leave Nurmi (evidently) and Innala (possibly, if MiG doesn't quite make it for tomorrow) as the extras.
So, if they intended to have more than 14 forwards around, they wouldn't have cut Palmu today. And I think it wouldn't be a good look for anyone involved if they replaced one of the designated extras (Nurmi/Innala) with someone they deem a "better" extra. And growing the number of extras back to three would be a slap against Palmu's face.
Now, I won't say that the chances of Tyrväinen landing into the team is a perfect zero - but I consider the odds of him arriving to Tampere and being an initial extra pretty close to that. It'll happen if they won't get anyone else from overseas and consider him an upgrade over Nurmi.
It comes down to how much Jalonen likes Tyrväinen. If Jalonen thinks that Tyrväinen is a lot better than the other extras, then he will invite him to be around the player camp. If Sallinen is registered and Sallinen gets injured or someone from Mäenalanen-Björninen-Anttila will get injured, then it would be nice to have Tyrväinen as a back up. I'm still not saying "register Tyrväinen if someone gets injured", but I'm saying that if Jalonen finds it necessary to fill that roster slot of an injured player instantly instead of waiting for NHL players, then Jalonen might just do that and in that case it's better to have Tyrväinen there over Nurmi, because my feeling is that Tyrväinen is more useful for the team.
I agree that it might be Innala and Nurmi as the extras. Tyrväinen as a player type is closer to Nurmi than Innala. Both are more well rounded, while Innala is more of a pure point producer, which at the moment we might need with the lack of scoring by any other lines than Manninen's line. Tyrväinen can play two positions and he's Jalonen's old soldier. I don't see it impossible at all that he's around in the picture untill we get confirmation about more NHL PO RD1 exit players arriving.
I'll also say that I haven't been very impressed by Innala nor Nurmi during their practice games. Jalonen's wild line shuffling can't be the excuse for everything. He might really see Tyrväinen being a need over them, in this case an upgrade over Nurmi.
Again if Tyrväinen or Lepistö will win the SHL G7 the chance of getting either one of them will go down just a little bit.
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The team registered today:
Säteri
Tuohimaa
Olkinuora
Pokka
Friman
Lehtonen
Hietanen
Vatanen
Seppälä
Ohtamaa
Armia
Anttila
Innala
Björninen
Rajala
Filppula
Manninen
Hartikainen
Sallinen
Mäenalanen
Pesonen
Lammikko
3 goalies, 7 d-men, 12 forwards. 3 open spots for skaters. (Technically 2, as we know Granlund will be one.)
Säteri
Tuohimaa
Olkinuora
Pokka
Friman
Lehtonen
Hietanen
Vatanen
Seppälä
Ohtamaa
Armia
Anttila
Innala
Björninen
Rajala
Filppula
Manninen
Hartikainen
Sallinen
Mäenalanen
Pesonen
Lammikko
3 goalies, 7 d-men, 12 forwards. 3 open spots for skaters. (Technically 2, as we know Granlund will be one.)
If Carolina, Florida and Dallas all advance, then Haula can still be on the books, methinks.
But yeah, I think the management's eyes are mainly on Dallas. Hintz + any of their 3 d-men will do, with Heiskanen likely taking preference.
Still-possible names to fill in those two extra spots, in what I consider the order of preference:
Forwards:
Barkov
Aho
Hintz
Teräväinen
Haula
Lundell
Tyrväinen
D-men:
Heiskanen
Lindell
Hakanpää
Määttä (Pending UFA)
Lindbohm (Pending UFA)
Mikkola (Pending RFA)
Lepistö
Jokiharju? (If we get no one else and he tests negative)
Forwards:
Barkov
Aho
Hintz
Teräväinen
Haula
Lundell
Tyrväinen
D-men:
Heiskanen
Lindell
Hakanpää
Määttä (Pending UFA)
Lindbohm (Pending UFA)
Mikkola (Pending RFA)
Lepistö
Jokiharju? (If we get no one else and he tests negative)
Basically 20/22 non goalies registered after Granny joins for Saturday's Latvia game. I'm disappointed. I was hoping that Jalonen would do the Norway game with 6 defenders or 11 forwards or both, but he did the not so surprising and non gambling Jalonen thing. I'm not saying that it's the wrong thing, but I was hoping to see a greater amount of exciting NHL star caliber players.
Most likely one of the slots will be used on a defender. After so many players got registered already, I hope that none from the SHL finals will be taken, but Lepistö or Tyrväinen can still be back up players if no more NHL players would come. So basically what I'm saying is that the chance for Lepistö or Tyrväinen to actually play games in the WHC tournament is close to 0, because we will get some more good NHL players eliminated from the NHL playoff round 1. At least we get something more from the NHL and I'm glad that he didn't shut the door for more NHL players after Granlund joined.
On the positive, this increases our chance to be a top-2 team in the group and avoid Switzerland and Canada in the game of death, but we got to leave one of Sweden or Czech behind. USA is not easy but I just don't believe in them in these WHC games so maybe they will be behind Finland in the group standings when all is said and done.
Most likely one of the slots will be used on a defender. After so many players got registered already, I hope that none from the SHL finals will be taken, but Lepistö or Tyrväinen can still be back up players if no more NHL players would come. So basically what I'm saying is that the chance for Lepistö or Tyrväinen to actually play games in the WHC tournament is close to 0, because we will get some more good NHL players eliminated from the NHL playoff round 1. At least we get something more from the NHL and I'm glad that he didn't shut the door for more NHL players after Granlund joined.
On the positive, this increases our chance to be a top-2 team in the group and avoid Switzerland and Canada in the game of death, but we got to leave one of Sweden or Czech behind. USA is not easy but I just don't believe in them in these WHC games so maybe they will be behind Finland in the group standings when all is said and done.
As I predicted Jalonen has not changed at all. Only guy from the squad that was not registered was Nurmi and most probably he will be in the team if the dream trio (Aho, Barkov, Hintz) all advance. Believe me Haula (or anybody else will not want to be replacement player) and only one of the big names will be brought in. Also by the moment their situation is clear the tournament has progressed that far that the roles have been shaped and Nurmi will be the fixing guy to the things not working...
And if Jokiharju would have been in, then D would have been set. Now one guy needed and they go for Heiskanen. If Dallas marches on I believe somebody from Europe takes the place. Should Jalonen/Lehtinen be blamed? Actually I do not think so. His guys have won Olympic Gold, 2019, Final last year. Those players confidence level is high (worring: last EHT games rose a question are they hungry enough?) and do not also consider themselves to be back up guys for NHLers. Aho, Laine, Barkov, Hintz might be different story, but the rest... We as the fans and mostly also NHL fans are having each year high expectations, hopes. On the other hand guys after 82 game season, play off dissapointment, long travel are not most probably as fresh and committed as the guys who as a team worked together - Jalonen has proved that several times and he knows most of the players really well. Players in Jalonen's team know that they are the team, not replacements till some big guy comes and he has promised the boys a real chance and they give in return everything for him.
So tomorrow the fun starts. For the first day I go to Helsinki to sniff the atmosphere. Later time to enjoy Tampere.
And if Jokiharju would have been in, then D would have been set. Now one guy needed and they go for Heiskanen. If Dallas marches on I believe somebody from Europe takes the place. Should Jalonen/Lehtinen be blamed? Actually I do not think so. His guys have won Olympic Gold, 2019, Final last year. Those players confidence level is high (worring: last EHT games rose a question are they hungry enough?) and do not also consider themselves to be back up guys for NHLers. Aho, Laine, Barkov, Hintz might be different story, but the rest... We as the fans and mostly also NHL fans are having each year high expectations, hopes. On the other hand guys after 82 game season, play off dissapointment, long travel are not most probably as fresh and committed as the guys who as a team worked together - Jalonen has proved that several times and he knows most of the players really well. Players in Jalonen's team know that they are the team, not replacements till some big guy comes and he has promised the boys a real chance and they give in return everything for him.
So tomorrow the fun starts. For the first day I go to Helsinki to sniff the atmosphere. Later time to enjoy Tampere.
It could be 2 (NHL) D-men too. We got 13 forwards registered when Granny is here.
I don't see it completely impossible that they would get Aho+TT if Carolina went to game 7 and lost, whille Dallas would advance from game 7 and Florida would advance from g7. Määttä and Mikkola are still possibilities but if he had to choose between Määttä or Mikkola and Aho+TT, I think that Jalonen could run 7 defenders for the entire tournament and hope that many injuries nor illnesses wouldn't happen. There's only a small chance for that, but it's still a chance, but considering Jalonen's conservative approach for today's registrations I think that he will get Lepistö if he can't find an NHL defender.
