WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

[FiLe]

Tolvanen is better than Innala. If he arrives to the tournament early, so he's part of the first 12 registered forwards, then Innala has to go eat pop corn (if Innala is his place holder or #12 in forward hierarchy). That part is very clear.

Next we know that Tolvanen is much much worse than Barkov, TT, Aho, Haula, Hintz, Lundell to mention a few. We don't want to use one of our valuable slots that could be used for Barkov on Tolvanen. That's all what I'm saying here.

One thing that speaks for Tolvanen is that even if he might be an overall worse player than the other names that could still become available to us, he's a different kind of player than most of them. When utilized in a specific way, Tolvanen could essentially be a poor man's Laine, which might make him a better complementary piece than, say, Lundell.

This being said, I'd still have any other name in the quoted post over Tolvanen save perhaps Lundell. I'm not so sold on how easily Lundell would slip into wing, and while he's better as a center than Filppula, Björninen and Lammikko, I'm not sure he's so massive an upgrade over them all that he'd be worth using a "bonus slot".

Of course, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, as right now we don't have even one NHL center. If MiG says no thanks, and Florida bows out and Barkov says the same, but Lundell would be willing to come, having an unit built around Lundell and Tolvanen would still be an upgrade over anything we have right now.

 

[Mestaruus]

One thing that speaks for Tolvanen is that even if he might be an overall worse player than the other names that could still become available to us, he's a different kind of player than most of them. When utilized in a specific way, Tolvanen could essentially be a poor man's Laine, which might make him a better complementary piece than, say, Lundell.

This being said, I'd still have any other name in the quoted post over Tolvanen save perhaps Lundell. I'm not so sold on how easily Lundell would slip into wing, and while he's better as a center than Filppula, Björninen and Lammikko, I'm not sure he's so massive an upgrade over them all that he'd be worth using a "bonus slot".

Of course, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, as right now we don't have even one NHL center. If MiG says no thanks, and Florida bows out and Barkov says the same, but Lundell would be willing to come, having an unit built around Lundell and Tolvanen would still be an upgrade over anything we have right now.

Worry with Tolvanen are those hot and cold streaks that he gets on. For that goal scoring potential we probably need him. I just hope he is part of the first 12 registered forwards.

With Lundell what also matters is how quickly would Florida go out if they even will go out. The faster they go out, the more likely is that they ask Lundell and there would be more time for Lundell to practice with the team. In Barkov's case it doesn't matter really how late he arrives, because it's quite likely we have one broken line at some point of the tournament and we have some centers who can be put to wing. In my opinion Filppula and Lammikko can be put to wing if Barkov, Hintz, Aho or Haula would come. Injury can happen to someone like Manninen, so it would be very good to get any of these NHL centers at that point. Only then could Manninen be replaced. Currently no one in this current roster of players can't replace Manninen.

 

[Mestaruus]

Where will Manninen play next season? He is way too good for any European league. I think that an NHL team should give him a chance. Jarmo Kekäläinen if anyone should see that. Put him in same line with Laine in Columbus.

 

[FiLe]

Where will Manninen play next season? He is way too good for any European league. I think that an NHL team should give him a chance. Jarmo Kekäläinen if anyone should see that. Put him in same line with Laine in Columbus.

Manninen would be in the NHL already if not for his chronic inability to reach for the groceries on the top shelf. While wearing skates.

And I'm not saying he shouldn't be given a shot because of that, but it's regardless why he isn't.

 

[Kibe]

Btw guys how is the game going? Just returning from mökki and missing this one. I saw from the Swedish thread that atleast one goal for us. What else? Is the 1st line good again? How about the NHL guys? Or the fringe guys, any of them impressing? PP improved at all?
Appreciate any update!

 

[Mestaruus]

Manninen would be in the NHL already if not for his chronic inability to reach for the groceries on the top shelf. While wearing skates.

And I'm not saying he shouldn't be given a shot because of that, but it's regardless why he isn't.

NHL has plenty of small players nowadays. They compensate their size with skating speed and Manninen is a fast skater.

 

[Mestaruus]

Manninen would be in the NHL already if not for his chronic inability to reach for the groceries on the top shelf. While wearing skates.

And I'm not saying he shouldn't be given a shot because of that, but it's regardless why he isn't.

NHL has plenty of small players nowadays. They compensate their size with skating speed and Manninen is a fast skater.

Btw guys how is the game going? Just returning from mökki and missing this one. I saw from the Swedish thread that atleast one goal for us. What else? Is the 1st line good again? How about the NHL guys? Or the fringe guys, any of them impressing? PP improved at all?
Appreciate any update!

Yeah the first line is good. Manninen scored a couple. Pesonen is partly the reason why Manninen got the freedom to do these goals I feel.

It's the best ice hockey this EHT tournament in my opinion by Finland but where would we be without Manninen scoring though. That is a worry, but lines are shuffled for every game so much that can't really make any bigger analysis than that. I'd say that the defensive mistakes where Sweden scored goals is also part of the line shuffling.

I haven't seen anything that would increased Innala's, Palmu's, Rajala's or Nurmi's stocks. Innala is probably the best out of these 4.

 

[Kibe]

NHL has plenty of small players nowadays. They compensate their size with skating speed and Manninen is a fast skater.



Yeah the first line is good. Manninen scored a couple. Pesonen is partly the reason why Manninen got the freedom to do these goals I feel.

It's the best ice hockey this EHT tournament in my opinion by Finland but where would we be without Manninen scoring though. That is a worry, but lines are shuffled for every game so much that can't really make any bigger analysis than that. I'd say that the defensive mistakes where Sweden scored goals is also part of the line shuffling.

I haven't seen anything that would increased Innala's, Palmu's, Rajala's or Nurmi's stocks. Innala is probably the best out of these 4.

Thank you! To me Nurmi looked too slow in the first two games, maybe just gassed out from the finals but i'd pick any of the other 3 before him. So what is the score now again?

 

[Kibe]

Ah nvm just saw it's 3-2 for Sweden. Lazy me for not checking it in the first place.

 

[Lepardi]

One thought I had over my morning coffee regarding Florida: if Sasha ends up becoming available, it would also be nice for him to have some worthy linemates who are at least close to his level. If he'd end up centering, say, Pesonen and Innala, it would be like installing a Ferrari engine in a Skoda chassis. As reliable a car as Skoda is, it would still feel like... you know.

I think Barkov's situation regarding the Worlds is very interesting. How would the Panthers organization and fans feel if he's instantly ready to come to Tampere? They might think he should be devastated if they lose a first round series after such a monster regular season.

Barkov probably also doesn't want to answer one single question about Russia and Ukraine right now. Avoiding those questions could be very difficult at a World Championship tournament in Finland.

 

[Kibe]

So we lost (again) and allowed 4 goals. I guess not a big deal but would've been nice to cut that streak before WHC. How was Säteri?

 

[Mestaruus]

I think Barkov's situation regarding the Worlds is very interesting. How would the Panthers organization and fans feel if he's instantly ready to come to Tampere? They might think he should be devastated if they lose a first round series after such a monster regular season.

Barkov probably also doesn't want to answer one single question about Russia and Ukraine right now. Avoiding those questions could be very difficult at a World Championship tournament in Finland.

I think that they could understand it because Barkov doesn't go to WHC very often. It's his home city. Maybe Tuomo Ruutu can give Florida's mangement couple words on the matter for how special opportunity it would be for Barkov.

So we lost (again) and allowed 4 goals. I guess not a big deal but would've been nice to cut that streak before WHC. How was Säteri?

No big game savers, no big mistakes. He's still on par with Olkinuora. I'd stay Säteri is the #1 goalie, but it really could be either one of them. One of them plays 2 games in the WHC and other plays the rest.

Oh something you might want to know is that Mäenalanen might be injured, but this could be just a precaution that he didn't finish the game. That also messed up with line chemistry even more on the 3rd period. Ohtamaa almost got injured but he returned to play.

 

[Kibe]

I think that they could understand it because Barkov doesn't go to WHC very often. It's his home city. Maybe Tuomo Ruutu can give Florida's mangement couple words on the matter for how special opportunity it would be for Barkov.



No big game savers, no big mistakes. He's still on par with Olkinuora. I'd stay Säteri is the #1 goalie, but it really could be either one of them. One of them plays 2 games in the WHC and other plays the rest.

Oh something you might want to know is that Mäenalanen might be injured, but this could be just a precaution that he didn't finish the game. That also messed up with line chemistry even more on the 3rd period. Ohtamaa almost got injured but he returned to play.

Thanks for the info. Too bad about Mäenalanen, hope he's alright.

 

[Mestaruus]

So is Sallinen Mäenalanen's replacement if he can't join the tournament? I think that if MiG takes a center slot, then Lammikko could be on 4th line wing as well.

My joker cards for the final team would be:

1. MaG returns. No word has been said about him, but might be that he's out because he wasn't listed on the previous player list, but maybe they will just put him straight into the tournament.

2. Lepistö straight to the team from SHL finals.

Line up with or without Mäenalanen:

Pesonen-Manninen-Hartikainen
Tolvanen-Mi.Granlund-Aaltonen
Lammikko-Filppula-Armia
X-Björninen-Anttila

X=Mäenalanen/Sallinen depending of Mäenalanen's health status.

Does Mäenalanen's injury if Mäenalanen doesn't return increase Tyrväinen's chance to join the tournament? Because Sallinen was the back up bottom liner who can play wing or center and Tyrväinen is a bottom line center. I don't remember Tyrväinen as a winger though.

Btw I hope that they announce the tournament roster on Tuesday morning after Nashville's playoff exit is confirmed. Initially it was said that they will name the team tonight or tomorrow.

 

[FinPanda]

I believe they will name the roster today/tomorrow since there is a chance we won't get any additional players.

Mikael Granlund alone would bring so much more offence to our team. Even if it is just him, I'd be thrilled.

 

[mattihp]

I don't get the love for Tyrväinen. He is at most marginally better than the other options.

 

[SantosHalper]

One Jalonen announced his team today but other one didn't, i guess we have to wait until tomorrow. How does Jukka expect us to sleep now?

 

[FiLe]

I'm hoping we won't get a roster announcement until Tuesday. Why? Because Jalonen likely already knows what players he has a chance of getting from overseas if they end up getting eliminated. And if MiG and/or Tolvanen are among those names, they might make the tournament opener if the Preds get swept. So if Jalonen won't release the roster tomorrow, it's likely because he wants to see what happens in Nashville first.

 

[JJTT]

Lepistö has retired from the national team iirc

 

[niilo22]

What was PP line ups in this weekend EHT games?

 

[SantosHalper]

So if Jalonen won't release the roster tomorrow, it's likely because he wants to see what happens in Nashville first.

He doesn't have to release the entire roster yet. First 23 names tomorrow, 2 spots left open.

Lepistö has retired from the national team iirc

Nope.
Sami Lepistön, 37, peli-ilo katosi Jokereissa – ”Suoraan sanottuna tuntui, että olen vain duunissa”

 

[Khokhlach86]

final roster

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Maalivahdit:
29 Säteri Harri
35 Tuohimaa Frans
45 Olkinuora Jussi


Puolustajat:
2 Pokka Ville
3 Friman Niklas
4 Lehtonen Mikko
28 Jokiharju Henri
38 Hietanen Juuso
42 Vatanen Sami
50 Seppälä Mikael
55 Ohtamaa Atte


Hyökkääjät:
10 Armia Joel
12 Anttila Marko
15 Aaltonen Miro
21 Innala Jere
24 Björninen Hannes
25 Rajala Toni
51 Filppula Valtteri
52 Palmu Petrus
61 Nurmi Markus
65 Manninen Sakari
70 Hartikainen Teemu
76 Sallinen Jere
80 Mäenalanen Saku
82 Pesonen Harri
91 Lammikko Juho

 

[FinPanda]

final roster

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A-maajoukkueen valmennus on Ruotsin Euro Hockey Tourin turnauksen jälkeen tiivistänyt joukkueen kokoonpanoa ennen perjantaina käynnistyviä MM-kotikisoja. Ensimmäiset kisavalinnat tehdään torstaina, jolloin ohjelmassa on kisapassien leimaus. Nimilistalla on viimeise...

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Maalivahdit:
29 Säteri Harri
35 Tuohimaa Frans
45 Olkinuora Jussi


Puolustajat:
2 Pokka Ville
3 Friman Niklas
4 Lehtonen Mikko
28 Jokiharju Henri
38 Hietanen Juuso
42 Vatanen Sami
50 Seppälä Mikael
55 Ohtamaa Atte


Hyökkääjät:
10 Armia Joel
12 Anttila Marko
15 Aaltonen Miro
21 Innala Jere
24 Björninen Hannes
25 Rajala Toni
51 Filppula Valtteri
52 Palmu Petrus
61 Nurmi Markus
65 Manninen Sakari
70 Hartikainen Teemu
76 Sallinen Jere
80 Mäenalanen Saku
82 Pesonen Harri
91 Lammikko Juho

That article had interesting detail. They will wait until Thursday before "stamping" the players. So until that day we wait with NHL. Must mean some big name has said yes.

So if series are over in 5 games, they can join. 6 and 7 is too late. Imo shoukd wait until game 6 wirh Barkov.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Me and BrunO having some fun.

 

[Mestaruus]

I don't get the love for Tyrväinen. He is at most marginally better than the other options.

I haven't watched him play. Just checked on stats and bought into the hype .