WC: Team Finland 2022 roster talk

[Mestaruus]

New stuff about Laine again:

Jukka Jaloselta herkullinen paljastus Patrik Laineesta – Leijonien johto avasi NHL-tähden tilannetta

Nähdäänkö kylän oma poika, NHL-tähtihyökkääjä Patrik Laine tämän kevään MM-kotikisoissa Tampereella? Se kysymys on nyt tapetilla. Leijonien päävalmentaja Jukka Jalonen jakoi Laineesta herkullisen paljastuksen: halua on. Mutta se, nähdäänkö Laine kisoissa, on vielä oma juttunsa.

www.mtvuutiset.fi

Patrik Laine kommentoi MM-kisoja – hauska heitto kesken lauseen: ”Tai on pakkokin”

Patrik Laine on hoitanut Columbus Blue Jacketsin kanssa kauden päätöspalaverinsa sekä lääkärintarkastuksensa, joten hän on velvoitteista vapaa.

www.iltalehti.fi

Yeah FinPanda I went and searched the URLs when you posted that message on wrong thread .

Lehtinen's 8 min video interview in that Iltalehti link is very interesting.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Lammikko in means no Tyräväninen.

Why was Innala not in Olympic squad?

 

[Mestaruus]

Why was Innala not in Olympic squad?

I can't remember why but logically thinking he must have been injured, because he kind of always appears on these Jalonen's player camps and usually leaves a lasting impression as well, so it wouldn't make sense why he wasn't on the Olympic camp if it wasn't an injury, but someone else can confirm that it was indeed an injury.

 

[FinPanda]

New stuff about Laine again:

Jukka Jaloselta herkullinen paljastus Patrik Laineesta – Leijonien johto avasi NHL-tähden tilannetta

Nähdäänkö kylän oma poika, NHL-tähtihyökkääjä Patrik Laine tämän kevään MM-kotikisoissa Tampereella? Se kysymys on nyt tapetilla. Leijonien päävalmentaja Jukka Jalonen jakoi Laineesta herkullisen paljastuksen: halua on. Mutta se, nähdäänkö Laine kisoissa, on vielä oma juttunsa.

www.mtvuutiset.fi

Patrik Laine kommentoi MM-kisoja – hauska heitto kesken lauseen: ”Tai on pakkokin”

Patrik Laine on hoitanut Columbus Blue Jacketsin kanssa kauden päätöspalaverinsa sekä lääkärintarkastuksensa, joten hän on velvoitteista vapaa.

www.iltalehti.fi

Yeah FinPanda I went and searched the URLs when you posted that message on wrong thread .

Lehtinen's 8 min video interview in that Iltalehti link is very interesting.

At least someone doing the work for me.

I saw those articles and decided to post that we will know about him soon haha

 

[Mestaruus]

At least someone doing the work for me.

I saw those articles and decided to post that we will know about him soon haha

Lazy you .

This new Jalonen video interview is worth checking out too. At the end of it is the part where he says that they are well aware which of the players would be coming if their club gets eliminated and which would not:

Jääkiekon MM 2023: Tuleeko Patrik Laine MM-kotikisoihin? Jukka Jalonen kertoo mikä on tämän hetken tilanne – katso MTV Katsomossa

Tuleeko Patrik Laine MM-kotikisoihin? Jukka Jalonen kertoo mikä on tämän hetken tilanne

www.mtv.fi

Lehtinen said that next Monday latest if not on Sunday we'll hear some kind of final team announcement, but it doesn't mean that they would register all of the players for the tournament I'd guess.

So Monday - May 9th is possibly the WHC team announcement date.

May 8th - next Sunday = Finnish time it's Monday morning - Carolina leads against Boston now so in theory Carolina could be 4-0'ing Boston on this date, so Haula could be available on the same day as the WHC team announcement would happen, but it's quite likely that Boston wins some of these games. Got to keep in mind though that Carolina won all games against Boston during the regular season.

May 8th - next Sunday = Finnish time it's Monday morning - Los Angeles leads against Edmonton so in theory LAK could be 4-0'ing Edmonton and Puljujärvi could be available on the same day as the WHC team announcement would happen, it is quite likely that it won't be a sweep but it's possible, because LAK leads by 1-0 now.

May 9th - next Monday = Finnish time it's Tuesday morning - Potential Calgary vs Dallas 4-0 sweep.

May 9th - next Monday = Finnish time it's Tuesday morning - Potential Colorado vs Nashville 4-0 sweep.

May 13th - Friday the 13th (sounds unlucky) - Tournament starts - FIN vs NOR

 

[Elias40]

Can anyone write how long a player under Jalonen can get a stable place in the lineup? I mean how many EHT tournaments a player has to play in order to fully integrate into the game system and be able to count on getting to the World Cup. I know, it's not a simple question, I just wonder how long Jalonen can be convinced that a player at a big event won't disappoint.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

Looking good right now. Florida lost, Nashville clearly losing and Dallas down by one in the game 1.

 

[FiLe]

Your not saying that Kiviranta is Armia's level of a player right?

What I'm saying is that Kiviranta is an NHL level power forward who is a part of the Stars' regular top-12 with nearly 60 games on his belt this season. He's not a shoo-in into our top-six, but I'd gladly have him in one of the lower lines - though only if the Stars get swept and he'd make it to the tournament opener. Using one of those late addition spots on him would perhaps feel like a waste, unless all of the more preferable names say no.

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Speaking of which... all of the series have been kicked off now. And while I think the Flames will win eventually, something tells me it won't be over four or five. Our best bet for getting something quickly ought to be Nashville. At least right now it doesn't look like it'll take long - they're in deep doo-dah without Saros.

I'm not sure what to make of Florida losing. Getting Barkov would obviously be the ultimate jackpot - but if the President's trophy winner indeed stumbles on the very first hurdle, it'll be a disappointment that'll likely take a while to get over. Though I guess taking the opportunity to play some hometown hockey isn't all bad as consolation prizes go, but still. Of course, it's not over yet, and I fully expect the Cats to bounce back and make it a series yet.

 

[JabbaJabba]

Laine is getting everyone's hopes up with his comments.

 

[SantosHalper]

Can anyone write how long a player under Jalonen can get a stable place in the lineup? I mean how many EHT tournaments a player has to play in order to fully integrate into the game system and be able to count on getting to the World Cup. I know, it's not a simple question, I just wonder how long Jalonen can be convinced that a player at a big event won't disappoint.

Depends of a player i guess and what kind of role is planned for him in the team.

For example Joel Kiviranta in 2019, needed 1 EHT tournament and 4 other practice games(or whatever you call them), so in total 7 games was enough to get in the WHC roster. Same year Eetu Luostarinen, 7 EHT games so that's aprox 2,5 EHT tournaments and 5 other practice games. Luostarinen needed 12 games to convince Jalonen.

But then the veteran players and already proven players, don't need that many. Atte Ohtamaa had 1 EHT tournament back in 2019 & 2021 and he was selected. Petri Kontiola's last national team game was back in 2018 Olympics and Kontiola needed only 1 EHT tournament to get selected.

Kim Nousiainen in 2021, only 1 EHT tournament was enough but for Axel Rindell same year had to play 7 EHT games and 3 other games to get selected. EHT games play crucial part in selection process. Only players who would get selected and whom haven't played any EHT games are from NHL. Players from European leagues with zero EHT games under his belt, have zero chances to get selected to play in the WHC.

 

[SantosHalper]

– On ihan sama, pelataanko turnaus Tampereella vai jossain muualla. Aina maajoukkue kiinnostaa.

Translation: - It is exactly the same whether the tournament is played in Tampere or somewhere else. Always interested in the national team.
- Patrik Laine
Patrik Laine kommentoi MM-kisoja – hauska heitto kesken lauseen: ”Tai on pakkokin”
Pretty much what i've been saying these past few days.

Jabba is right, this is getting everyone's hopes up.

 

[Mestaruus]

Looking good right now. Florida lost, Nashville clearly losing and Dallas down by one in the game 1.

Only disappointing part is that Carolina didn't lose, but let them be the ones to get the Stanley Cup then. Luckily I don't have any special favorite NHL team, but of course normally I prefer to root for the NHL teams with Finnish players in them to do well. Only 1 game played in that Carolina and Boston series though, but I wouldn't expect any miracles since Carolina won all of their regular season meetings.

 

[Mestaruus]

I'm not sure what to make of Florida losing. Getting Barkov would obviously be the ultimate jackpot - but if the President's trophy winner indeed stumbles on the very first hurdle, it'll be a disappointment that'll likely take a while to get over. Though I guess taking the opportunity to play some hometown hockey isn't all bad as consolation prizes go, but still. Of course, it's not over yet, and I fully expect the Cats to bounce back and make it a series yet.

Based on that 0-1 start for Caps and let's not forget that it was Florida's home game. We can now see that Capitals can beat them, so I'll go and say that Florida will lose this series 2-4. My projection might change to Florida winning the entire series if they tie this series to 1-1, but for now it's looking like everything is not well with Florida and Caps seem good enough team to beat them.

Game 6 is the borderline number. If it was 4-1, then Jalonen & Lehtinen would surely take Lundell & Barkov and perhaps Lindbohm and Luostarinen as well, but it would be interesting if they would still get something from a G6 series. I think yes they would, they couldn't resist getting someone like Barkov, when it's just a question of a day or two. Now if it goes 3-4 in favor of Caps, that would get really interesting. I think that they still couldn't resist taking Barkov. It's just a difference of 2 days between NHL games so it means that each extra game played in a NHL series = 1 extra game missed in WHC.

About you talking about Barkov's disappointment factor. His buddy Laine will give him a call and convince him to come with him.

 

[Mestaruus]

Depends of a player i guess and what kind of role is planned for him in the team.

For example Joel Kiviranta in 2019, needed 1 EHT tournament and 4 other practice games(or whatever you call them), so in total 7 games was enough to get in the WHC roster. Same year Eetu Luostarinen, 7 EHT games so that's aprox 2,5 EHT tournaments and 5 other practice games. Luostarinen needed 12 games to convince Jalonen.

But then the veteran players and already proven players, don't need that many. Atte Ohtamaa had 1 EHT tournament back in 2019 & 2021 and he was selected. Petri Kontiola's last national team game was back in 2018 Olympics and Kontiola needed only 1 EHT tournament to get selected.

Kim Nousiainen in 2021, only 1 EHT tournament was enough but for Axel Rindell same year had to play 7 EHT games and 3 other games to get selected. EHT games play crucial part in selection process. Only players who would get selected and whom haven't played any EHT games are from NHL. Players from European leagues with zero EHT games under his belt, have zero chances to get selected to play in the WHC.

Where do you dig this info? It's not easy to find those kind of older stats in such detail. Takes effort or you got some good method for it or you just got a good memory. I was wondering the same thing when you had info of the 2012 and 2013 WHC teams and those players contract details in such good detail. Kudos for that .

Translation: - It is exactly the same whether the tournament is played in Tampere or somewhere else. Always interested in the national team.
- Patrik Laine
Patrik Laine kommentoi MM-kisoja – hauska heitto kesken lauseen: ”Tai on pakkokin”
Pretty much what i've been saying these past few days.

Jabba is right, this is getting everyone's hopes up.

That's hockey jargon by Laine. What he says and does are two different things in that case. I don't think that he will appear on a high % in the national team in the future if he has some kind of small injury or contract on the line again. Even Ristolainen says stuff like that. Home tournament is a different story for Laine, especially a Tampere tournament. I believe that he will be in this team.

 

[SantosHalper]

Where do you dig this info? It's not easy to find those kind of older stats in such detail. Takes effort or you got some good method for it or you just got a good memory. I was wondering the same thing when you had info of the 2012 and 2013 WHC teams and those players contract details in such good detail. Kudos for that

Eliteprospects, best site and only site you need.

That's hockey jargon by Laine.

Just let me have my small W please

 

[Mestaruus]

Eliteprospects, best site and only site you need.

Oh I'm using it too, but I never use it in detail for contracts or stuff. Too used to using google and spotrac or capfriendly for those kinds of things, but maybe eliteprospects is better?

Just let me have my small W please

We'll both win when Laine opens up the Heinz ketchup bottle and keeps scoring untill we're at the final where Mörkö will do the rest.

 

[Mestaruus]

Carolina 2 - Boston 0
-Raanta got injured but Kochetkov might be good enough for still making this series 4-0, potentially giving us Haula. Next are the Boston's home games though, so it should get harder for Carolina with that.

Tonight are the more interesting NHL games though and of course the EHT game against Switzerland.

I wonder how many NHL players each team has already playing tonight? My guess is that Jokiharju & Lammikko will play, but Säteri would play on Saturday if he just arrived = jet lag, which would be very bad for a goalie. I'm not sure about Armia. It might be though that all of these above-mentioned NHL guys would play on Saturday+Sunday instead. This would be a good moment to get a feel for the WHC arena though for those players who are sure bets to be in the final team.

I'm excited to see if Nurmi has what it takes for the WHC squad, but forwards spots are really tight now, especially if more NHL forwards will join. There's Innala, Aaltonen and Pesonen competing for those same spots as Nurmi.

A good move could be to already test Filppula on the wing of Manninen+Hartikainen now, because it seems like at least one more NHL center is quite likely to join. At least one of MiG, Haula or Hintz should be possible. We probably shouldn't speak much about those Florida guys yet since they played only 1 game in that series.

 

[Mestaruus]

Well that info I was wondering about came in some time ago. So these guys aren't playing tonight:

"Joel Armia, Henri Jokiharju, Juho Lammikko ja Harri Säteri liittyvät joukkueen mukaan torstaina, mutta eivät ole pelaavassa kokoonpanossa Sveitsi-ottelussa."

Otto Leskinen is completely out of the team. He won't be in the WHC tournament. Such similar case as Hakanpää on that one year. I think it was 2018 or 2017 when he was clearly the best defender in Liiga but he couldn't join the team.

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The roster against Switzerland today:

45 Jussi Olkinuora

1. kenttä:
82 Harri Pesonen – 65 Sakari Manninen – 70 Teemu Hartikainen
4 Mikko Lehtonen – 7 Oliwer Kaski

2. kenttä:
21 Jere Innala – 51 Valtteri Filppula (C) – 61 Markus Nurmi
81 Kalle Maalahti – 42 Sami Vatanen (A)

3. kenttä:
25 Toni Rajala – 76 Jere Sallinen – 15 Miro Aaltonen
50 Mikael Seppälä – 38 Juuso Hietanen

4. kenttä:
80 Saku Mäenalanen – 24 Hannes Björninen – 12 Marko Anttila (A)
55 Atte Ohtamaa – 2 Ville Pokka

13. hyökkääjä:
23 Markus Nenonen

Pesonen getting his chance with Manninen & Hartikainen now. It seems like they are trying everyone with that duo. Seems like they didn't find the third piece yet unless MaG would still return.

 

[SantosHalper]

Official theme song:


And this confirms, Kalle Maalahti makes in to the final roster.

Expectation: Miro Heiskanen, Reality: Kalle Maalahti

 

[Mestaruus]

Official theme song:


And this confirms, Kalle Maalahti makes in to the final roster.

Expectation: Miro Heiskanen, Reality: Kalle Maalahti

The song started so well but then it got pretty bad in my opinion. I'll take that song over Finland's goal scoring theme any day though.

 

[SantosHalper]

The song started so well but then it got pretty bad in my opinion.

They are never good.

 

[Mestaruus]

They are never good.

Need some Antero Mertaranta techno remix thing for it.

Every player has been so invisible in that Manninen-Hartikainen line so far. They should've tried Filppula in it definitely, because we will most likely get at least 1 of Hintz, Mi.Granlund or Haula for one center slot. We could even get all of them.

No Laine .

Patrik Laine ei lähde MM-kotikisoihin

Loukkaantuminen estää maalitykin kisamatkan.

www.iltalehti.fi

 

[FinPanda]

Sad Laine is not coming but I understand him. Even if the injury is only slightly bothering him atm, still no point to risk it gets worse.

 

[Mestaruus]

Pesonen-Manninen-Hartikainen
X-X-Y
Armia-Filppula-Lammikko
Mäenalanen-Björninen-Anttila

In my opinion Pesonen secured his spot into the final team, no matter what line he will end up being in, but I liked him in that Manninen & Hartikainen line. Pesonen has been solid in many different lines so he has convinced me to be the front runner of the forwards I had some kind of question marks on.

X = There's a good chance that 1-3 of Mi.Granlund, Haula, Hintz will come. I think that we won't get lucky enough to get all 3, so I'll say that we get 2 of them. All of their teams have 0 wins, so as long as it stays that way, I'll stay optimistic about getting some of them.

Y = Aaltonen, Innala, Nurmi, Rajala. These guys aren't showing enough. In my opinion it's an open battle between them for the last 1-2 spots. I have Ojamäki and Palmu even behind those guys. Sallinen is not needed as a back up defensive center after the arrival of Lammikko. I'm hoping that Nurmi gets to play all 3 EHT games because it's not fair to judge him based on 1-2 games. The rest of them have had chances. Aaltonen is currently the front runner of these guys, but not by much anymore in my opinion.

Some joker cards - each one one of these players' team has 0 wins in the playoffs so far:
Barkov, Lundell, Kiviranta, Tolvanen, Luostarinen, Kakko

I hope that we can fill X-X-Y with 4-0 or 4-1 series losing forwards, so that they will arrive fast. Then there are still 2-3 spots open for game 7 exit guys if it goes that far. If Florida's & Barkov's series goes to game 7 and his team loses, you take Barkov no matter how long that series would last. If you can get one of the best players in the world, you take him. He could get only 2-3 games before the WHC playoffs or something like that, doesn't matter. He's so much better than some of our current players can ever be even on his worst day.

Assuming a game 7, Barkov's series would end May 16 early morning (Finnish time) if it goes to game 7. Finland vs Sweden is played on May 18. Barkov might miss that. Next are May 20 & 21 Great Britain & Austria. Barkov can play in these games if he wants to or he can skip them and play only in the last game vs Czech before the WHC playoffs. I'd still take him. We may have bonus slots if team stays out of injuries and illnesses, so waiting for him wouldn't cost Jalonen anything really.

 

[Mestaruus]

Not looking awesome regarding the NHL playoffs. 7 series have teams splitting wins. I have no doubt that the Colorado will 4-0 Nashville, but is Granlund too tired, because they put him playing insane minutes compared to any other forward in his team and he has to do PP & PK, everything really. We got to hope that many of those series end up being 4-1 now.

Säteri is still not playing. That's interesting. Lines against Czech game, which starts soon:

45 Jussi Olkinuora

1:
80 Saku Mäenalanen – 24 Hannes Björninen – 12 Marko Anttila (A)
55 Atte Ohtamaa – 2 Ville Pokka


2:
23 Markus Nenonen – 15 Miro Aaltonen – 20 Niko Ojamäki
4 Mikko Lehtonen – 38 Juuso Hietanen


3:
52 Petrus Palmu – 51 Valtteri Filppula (C) – 40 Joel Armia
3 Niklas Friman – 42 Sami Vatanen (A)


4:
76 Jere Sallinen – 91 Juho Lammikko – 61 Markus Nurmi
50 Mikael Seppälä – 18 Vili Saarijärvi

Lehtonen is put back together with Hietanen. We had that in the Olympic final so Jalonen has been keeping that in his back pocket. I'm not sure have they played together during any of these practice matches.

Then we of course have Ohtamaa + Pokka pair from the Olympic final. Friman & Vatanen both played in the Olympic final but with different pairs who aren't with the team now. So if they succeed as a pair, they could be a pair for the WHC tournament as well. It might be that Jokiharju will form a pair with one of them?

Seppälä + Saarijärvi will probably have to say goodbye regarding the WHC tournament, especially if we get defender(s) from Dallas or Määttä.