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But there is a very good chance it will determine who gets to be the best of the 2nd seeds. Remember the olympic format - three groups of four, with the group winners and the best 2nd getting a bye to the QF, while the remaining eight play an extra elimination game.
If both Canada and USA manage to get themselves a nice stat padding at China's expense, it certainly doesn't decrease the odds of the loser of CAN-USA getting the bye.
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a lot of people losing sleep over team china.
Lets not politicize this. I think it's a chance for the sport of hockey to grow in the most populated world wether they are dressing Chinese players or players from the Kunlun Stars. quite frankly it might not really take off anyways since hockey is really not a thing in Asia, as it's dominated by Basketball actually. Even in general, China isn't expected to meddle very well since traditionally they don't perform well at Winter games compared to their summer games.
we are flipping out over nothing. They will play their 3 games, and move on.
Lets not politicize this. I think it's a chance for the sport of hockey to grow in the most populated world wether they are dressing Chinese players or players from the Kunlun Stars. quite frankly it might not really take off anyways since hockey is really not a thing in Asia, as it's dominated by Basketball actually. Even in general, China isn't expected to meddle very well since traditionally they don't perform well at Winter games compared to their summer games.
we are flipping out over nothing. They will play their 3 games, and move on.
The point is that the best runner-up will go straight to quarterfinals. In the comparison with other runner-ups scoring a lot of goals may be important.
But even that may become useless if Canada v USA will end on regulation and Sweden v Finland goes to overtime while four teams beat all others on regulation. Then the loser of SWE/FIN would have seven points and loser of CAN/USA six.
But even that may become useless if Canada v USA will end on regulation and Sweden v Finland goes to overtime while four teams beat all others on regulation. Then the loser of SWE/FIN would have seven points and loser of CAN/USA six.
I wasn't thinking about the cross group comparisons.
That's a great point, and absolutely is a reason for Canada and USA to beat up on China.
Still, I think with the Kunlun team that likely goes, the scores don't get larger than the normal Olympic games between top and bottom teams.
That's a great point, and absolutely is a reason for Canada and USA to beat up on China.
Still, I think with the Kunlun team that likely goes, the scores don't get larger than the normal Olympic games between top and bottom teams.
Interesting watch, and pretty good info overall. My biggest criticism is that he repeats China's IIHF ranking a lot of times, and that just isn't relevant at all if the Kunlun players are eligible.
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here is what a one of the commenters said in the video. Looks like a foreign national that is living in China.
"Hello, as someone who actually lives here in China. I think I can provide some real insight into this matter. As of right now, Ice hockey is most popular in Beijing and the three northeastern provinces of Heilongjiang, Jilin, and Liaoning. But ice hockey's popularity is slowly growing nationwide, and a large part of the reason it is growing is because of Kunlun Red Star. Many of the Kunlun Red Star matches are broadcasted on national TV here (CCTV 5). And Kunlun Red Star have played home matches in different parts of China from Beijing and even Harbin in the north to Shanghai and Shenzhen in the south. The result of this is that ice hockey has been slowly growing in national popularity. Last year, the yearly semi professional national ice hockey tournament in China was even hosted in the southwestern province of Yunnan, and millions of people from all over China tuned into the tournament. So what's my point. Ice hockey is growing in popularity here in China, and millions of Chinese children are taking up the sport, and what is needed to take the sport to the next level and get the ball rolling from hockey being a regional sport to a national sport is a major tournament like the Olympics. And this is why it's very important to have the Chinese Hockey team participate in the Olympics. I have heard a lot recently that China's hockey team is going to be blown out and they shouldn't compete because it's going to be an embarrassment, but I think all of these arguments are completely missing the point. Here in China the media talks about the Olympics and the ice hockey team a lot, and even here in China the media and all the hockey fans know that the Chinese team will probably be blown out in every game. But that doesn't matter. The children here who love ice hockey will be watching the games and they will see players like Mathews, McDavid, and Crosby, playing competitive games in China. They will see their favourite stars playing against Chinese players, and this will let them dream that it is possible for anyone, even if you come from China to play alongside or against the best players in the world. China's potential 3 blowout losses will still expose hundreds of millions of Chinese fans to the best of the best the sport has to offer. And let them dream that maybe one day they can play for the national team at the Olympics. If the Chinese team are pulled from the tournament, it would destroy all progress made over the past 5 years, and it would eternally relegate ice hockey to a regional hobby sport, as millions of Chinese hockey fans and potential players will feel nothing but bitterness and disappointment in the sport. So it doesn't matter if the games are all blowouts. The goal of the IIHF is to grow the game in China, and featuring a Chinese team, playing against the best players in the world is the best opportunity to do just that. 中国加油"
the kids here wants to see the best Hockey players in the planet regardless. It will be tough on them to replace China with another European team. Chinese kids are interested in this sport, and even if its just a tiny of fraction of their population, it can still mean a lot of hockey players. the nation of China is on the rise, their GDP is growing, their wages are increasing, and eventually more and more kids over there will have the opportunity to sign up for a sport like ice hockey ( expensive equipment). lets see where it goes. We expect a blow, they already know there is a blowout coming.
That is an extremely generous take, to the point of being nothing short of delusional. It is true that hockey kind of exists in parts of Heilongjiang province, but imported by the Soviets it has already for a long time and there are no "millions of Chinese children" taking up the sport. Indeed, you would think that there would already be an actual hockey league in China if that was the case, and not a singular amateur tournament over five days once a year.
Here you can see the scale of this event allegedly followed by millions of people:
Kunlun hasn't been a success anywhere they've went either, they've had KHL games with only a handful of spectators and hardly ever have exceeded 3000. That playing the second best hockey league in the world in some of the biggest megacities in the world.
The idea that recruiting a team of Russian and Canadian imports to play for China will tell these millions of Chinese hockey kids that anyone can make it to the Olympics is just lovely in its absurdity.
Here you can see the scale of this event allegedly followed by millions of people:
Kunlun hasn't been a success anywhere they've went either, they've had KHL games with only a handful of spectators and hardly ever have exceeded 3000. That playing the second best hockey league in the world in some of the biggest megacities in the world.
The idea that recruiting a team of Russian and Canadian imports to play for China will tell these millions of Chinese hockey kids that anyone can make it to the Olympics is just lovely in its absurdity.
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All credibility of that youtube comment went out of the window when I read that millions of kids are taking up the sport. It simply is a lunatic claim. When did they pick up the sport? Like yesterday, so that's why they are nowhere to be seen? Millions of kids need tens of thousands of arenas and just as many coaches that simply do not exist in China.
Hockey didn't help Japan after 1998 or Italy after 2006 when host team rosters also had loads of naturalized foreigners on them. China will play their tournament and then never return to OG's in our lifetime without hosting the games again.
Hockey didn't help Japan after 1998 or Italy after 2006 when host team rosters also had loads of naturalized foreigners on them. China will play their tournament and then never return to OG's in our lifetime without hosting the games again.
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So Japan and Italy had better foundations than China and still didn't gain anything from watching your Hasek's and Selanne's live? You are just proving the point that "inspiration'' angle is just a wishful thinking as far as hockey is concerned. And has Japan ever made OG's through proper qualification or solely because of Asian quota?
I find the claim that million of kids are taking up the sport about as credible as the claim that KRS will disappear next season...
Korea (outside of Kazakhstan, if considered Asian) has by far the most actual growth/improvement in the sport in east Asia by merit of actually making the WCs entirely on their own merit once, and coming reasonably close a couple of other times. An import goalie notwithstanding (and by no means any sort of world beater), their team is majority Korean.
China of course, looks nowhere near that. It's a pretty low bar but this has thus far been the gold standard for an Asian Olympic host for their hockey program.
The growth of the sport has no doubt been more significant in China than in South Korea and China has far exceeded the growth in participation of South Korea. As per the latest survey of players, they have more than three times the number of U20 players that South Korea does and more than four times the number that decent hockey countries Denmark and Latvia have.
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the million players taking up the sport might be over exaggerated or might be a mistype. since 1 million players will equal to Canada, as they have around 1 million registered players. (or maybe he meant 1 million are already following hockey )that part I agree with others, but it's what he is saying besides that, that China wants to see hockey, the best, and of Course their country at least participate despite most likely being humilated by Canada USA and Canada. Either way you guys are losing sleep over nothing really.
from what I know, hockey still has a ways to go in China, in Asia in paritcular. Chinese are great at table tennis, badminton and they love basketball. Will have to see how hockey will grow, as more people can start too afford to buy the expensive equipment (hockey) and so for. Even soccer hasn't really taken off there.
from what I know, hockey still has a ways to go in China, in Asia in paritcular. Chinese are great at table tennis, badminton and they love basketball. Will have to see how hockey will grow, as more people can start too afford to buy the expensive equipment (hockey) and so for. Even soccer hasn't really taken off there.
When will China establish an ice hockey league if it really has all that growth? It's strange that there are allegedly more and more people playing ice hockey yet they still do not even have a league, just a team of foreign recruits somewhere in Russia and a 5-day championship tournament taking place in an inflatable tent once a year.
Korea had a lot more than just an import goalie. They had six total imports, all playing key roles for the team (and most of them played for the top Korean team, Anyang Halla; was fun watching them play while I was there, the imports were clearly better than the Koreans in ALIH play).
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