Watching the Kunlun - Khabarovsk game. Kunlun players are quite competent skaters, but most of the lack physicality. They are generally unable to use their body even in the defensive play in their own zone.
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Somehow ended 4-5 OTL. I've read from some articles that no party except the Chinese federation themselves can now pull the team out - neither the IIHF nor the IOC are interested (or able to) in imposing the change. So I'm not sure if this is the game that gives them the confidence to go ahead with it, or if getting blanked 5-0 last game already made that decision for them.
Either way this is an interesting case to follow.
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IIHF will make its final decision on China's (or Norway's) participation on 25 November 2021, according to CTV.
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Decision on China's participation in Olympic men's hockey set for Nov. 25
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The IIHF really doesn't know what it is doing or what China is going to do and just keeps changing its stance on a whim, real bang up job by all parties involved
So let's see what happens. With Norway, the tournament would definitely be more fair in the sense that the other teams which are in the group with China (CAN, USA, GER) wouldn't just improve their overall score by devastating China (if they did, it would give them a huge advantage for the playoffs seeding). But I still think it will be a lot about if China agrees can will be pulled out. Without that, IIHF/IOC probably won't do anything. I don't dare to predict how this ends.
That is exactly the confusion I have about why they are even bothering to reevaluate. Are they deciding whether they should be opening the can of worms and fiddling with eligibility rules and potentially permanently changing nation eligibility for international hockey? If so, that's the angle they should be approaching this. Nevermind how KRS is performing in the KHL and these sample games, but they should be having discussions with the Chinese federation on whether these players should be on the national team and whether they have any future there after this tournament.
If it's only about on ice performance for KRS or Norway the difference is immaterial and totally asinine to even consider it on that merit. Basically little gain but plenty of cons; egg on the face of the hosts, definitely greater loss of potential growth of sport no matter how people try to claim 1.4 billion aren't interested (it will almost certainly exceed the % of the 5.3 million of Norway that are interested - 1 in a thousand people in China tuning in would exceed a quarter of Norway caring) and potentially... greater rationale for the NHL to pull out their players should they want to.
KRS might get blanked 10-0; is that really much worse than Norway getting canned 8-0?
GotTheMovesLikeJagr
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Norway might lose 8-0 (they did so to Canada in Vancouver) - but they can also lose 3-1 (as they did to Canada in Sochi). Norway can lose to Germany but can just as likely defeat them. There's the difference - China will most likely lose all games - and, also likely, badly, if not with double digits. Norway in a generational change is still a better hockey country than China.
Of course it is and a hundred times better national team than the "normal" China's national team but not notably better than China's Olympic team (Kunlun Red Star).
In really depends on whether the KHL Kunlun team can be more or less the Olympic team China. I am not sure about that. I suppose this is the topic of negotiations right now.
A big guy I had wanted them to go after was Jett Woo out of Abbotsford. I think he would/would have been a huge add for them. Time was kinda against them, it takes a long time to assemble a full contingent of Chinucks. I think eventually the Kunlun team will be pretty good.
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I don't think IIHF can throw out China due to lack of quality.
But...
Eligibility requirements can get China thrown out of the tournament.
This Kunlun team have also been based in Moscow(russia) and not in China.
A group of lawyers will go through the longlist they've sent in to IIHF of their roster and check their eligibility.
China's restrictive nationality rules largely prevent them from pursuing players with dual citizenship.
If China has to play without dual-citizens that will be something awful to watch. 50-0 or so.
It might look like the domination that could get that bad, but I'd be surprised if it does.
You'd likely see opponents get ahead by a comfortable margin quickly, and then largely stop trying to score.
And no, teams do not have much incentive to beat up on China to improve their goal difference for tie breakers.
The tie breaker rules consider points, goal differential and goals scored specifically in the games between tied teams, before moving on to considering results against other teams in the group
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Even if their opponents stop to play out of pure pitty it would still be awful to watch. At the same time, every team would reach double digits just out of pure boredom. They have no incentive to run up the score but they also have no incentive to save China's face.
I don't disagree that the scores would very likely reach double digits, but I think to suggest 50-0 is unreasonable.
That being said, I don't think we'll see that scenario, as I do believe pretty confidently that the majority of the Kunlun team will be there. In that case, I don't see that roster being significantly weaker than other teams that have been at past Olympics.
Wouldn't be so sure when NHL super stars face pure amateurs. Slovakia's women team won 82-0 over Bulgaria with 139 shots on goal.
Slovakia beats Bulgaria 82-0 in women's hockey
Agreed and I really hope this to happen. KHL team vs NHL stacked national team isn't that big gap as it would be with amateurs.
Yeah I'm aware of that game. I'm still not sure it applies here. I'm not doubting that NHL players against the non Kunlun team could probably get that score. I'm doubting whether they actually would.
There's no such thing as rule of law in China, handing out passports to these athletes won't be an issue after it has been approved by the relevant Communist Party organs. Nationality law that exists on paper could be used to deny the passports after the Olympics once the players have outlived their usefulness, however.
Exactly. In China, the will of the Communist Party stands high over all law. It is like that it authoritarian regimes. So the dual citizenship would be no problem per se.
ItWasJustified
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You really think the highest possible level athletes aren't going to do anything in their power to be at the top of the group, even if it's a very slim chance it comes to goal differential against China?
If they don't, then they don't deserve to be at the Olympics.
The goal differential against China will not determine which team finishes first in the group. It's not a very slim chance, it simply is not a chance at all.
