Like I've said with all due respect to Norway it's not like they will be putting on significantly more competitive performances than KRS. I mean if they keep the draw as-is we'll still see a four and out showing most likely with a slightly better GD, pointless to dump out the host nation for that kind of difference. They should have just pitted KRS against Norway (minus Zuccarello?) as an exhibition and see how they do.
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As a Norwegian, I am totally happy with letting China have the honor of having the worst team, and not Norway.
I also think the big nations will apply mercy-rules more to China than they would to Norway, so they will run up the scores less against the host-country than they would against Norway.
I also think the big nations will apply mercy-rules more to China than they would to Norway, so they will run up the scores less against the host-country than they would against Norway.
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I don't know how this end, but I find it strange that is has taken so much time to take a decsion. The decision will be taken in late november that's two months before the olympics.
I guess iihf will have to go through papers/documents and find out who are eligble to play and having status as chinese citizen. Also this Kunulun RS team have been based in Russia outside Moscow not in China. Then IIHF have to clean the roster list removing those who aren't chinese citizen from the list.
What kinda team is left then?
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I think it comes down to the IOC members, they have the final word. But they are divided, some think China should play in their own tournament, while others think it will look bad for the tournament and the Olympics if China loses 20-0 or something against every opponent. I guess they will vote on this.
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You won't get any "official" confirmation until IIHF publishes the rosters.
But aside from a couple edge cases like Cliff Pu or the Russian goalie, the players on KRS meet IIHF's 2-year/480 day nationality cut-off.
I also personally know one of the Canadian players on the team, and when he was approached by KRS three years ago, his contract was conditional on the basis that he would be representing China internationally at the Olympics.
I know that they meet the experience requirements and most likely should be going, but I haven't seen an official source confirming that they have Chinese citizenship, which I believe is a requirement
China is an authoritarian regime where everything, including the citizenship assignments, depends on the will of the government. If the government decides the players shall have Chinese citizenship, they are going to have it. Laws regarding dual citizenship are irrelevant in such cases. The ruler says - it happens, it is simple like that.
I believe they will bring in a roster which will be not much worse than, say, Italy, France, Slovenia, countries like these. Of course the majority of players will be foreigners perhaps with some Chinese grandfather/grandmother, but as far as I remember Torino 2006, the team Italy was a very similar case back then. Are they going to get smashed in the games? Probably yes, perhaps even with double digit scores, but as long as it is, say, 12-2 and not 24-0, they should let them play. I also remember team Japan competing at the World Championships some two decades ago, results like 11-0, 10-1 and similar were common, and it did not spoil the tournaments. There was simply one "exotic" team, teams like that do appear at the soccer World Cup too, at least time to time. If they were not able to bring in a decent roster I would agree they should be replaced by Norway to avoid scores reminding of the 1930s, when Canada was regularly beating other teams 27-0 and similar. But I believe they will bring a bunch of guys who will be losing but not completely humiliating way.
They can't "bring in" a roster. They can get the players who have spent time with Kunlun in the past few years, or players who have already played for China. It's too late to bring in anyone else barring an exception being made by the IIHF, that isn't up to the Chinese government
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Today i read an article in a german Newspaper and they Said that everybody is unsatisfied with China in the olympics.
They might give them more time to get Something on the Ice that is atleast Not a disgrace but If it comes to the worst they might Exchange them with norway.
And they are in Talks with the IOC.
The iihf is seeing the Problem.
And its not helpful for the Game and for the Team itself.
The iihf was quiet hopeful but they now don't, See any improvement over the last Couple of years.
But you Guys already covered that. So don't Hit me for stating that.
And i Hope the IOC budges. Its Not a good Look at all.
They might give them more time to get Something on the Ice that is atleast Not a disgrace but If it comes to the worst they might Exchange them with norway.
And they are in Talks with the IOC.
The iihf is seeing the Problem.
And its not helpful for the Game and for the Team itself.
The iihf was quiet hopeful but they now don't, See any improvement over the last Couple of years.
But you Guys already covered that. So don't Hit me for stating that.
And i Hope the IOC budges. Its Not a good Look at all.
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German article, with a big German text about either cookies or payment or something blocking everything, which google-translate don't translate.
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I think we're still looking at whether they have Kunlun players available. If they do, I don't think this is even a storyline. That Kunlun team obviously wouldn't be medal contenders, but I don't think they get blown out any worse than is normal at the olympics.
There's now the question whether players that are not eligible should receive an exemption minding that the Chinese have systematically broken all their promises to the IIHF and will likely abandon hockey again altogether after the Olympics.
KRS has not fielded an all-eligible roster in any of their KHL games so far. The proposed exhibition games are a meaningless exercise, but likewise the Chinese should not be allowed to get away without demonstrating their adequate level somehow.
In that case, I'd be pretty surprised if they decide that China isn't strong enough
In this twitter thread, the Kunlun account confirmed that Smith, Lazushin, Sproul and Chelios are eligible, and Khlystov and Osipov can apply for Chinese Sport citizenship, emphasis on the Sport part
The goalies would need to receive a special exception from the IIHF to be eligible.
Would they? This is the 3rd season in China for both of them. How long do they need?
Edit: you're right. Smith played at the WJC for USA, so he needs 4 years. And Lazushin's time in China doesn't seem to include a consecutive 16 months
Seems like the IIHF is going to be scrutinizing the team to ensure that all players meet eligibility requirements as per the last paragraph in the article:
IIHF - IIHF Council meeting concludes
Hopefully this is procedure is done correctly. No exceptions have been earned in any way, so none should be made.
IIHF - IIHF Council meeting concludes
Hopefully this is procedure is done correctly. No exceptions have been earned in any way, so none should be made.
The players don't need to spend multiple seasons with Kunlun unless they have played for other NT before. This rule you are talking about applies to players who have played for one country and then switched their citizenship to another. If the Canadian born Chinese players never played for Canada, Chinese passport is all they need. In 1998, Petr Svoboda officially received his Czech citizenship a few weeks before the Olympics, was playing there and even scored the GVG in the Gold medal game. Many people here seem like mixing different IIHF rules together.
From the IIHF website:
Acquiring a new national eligibility (The ‘two-year’ case)
When a player has changed his citizenship or has acquired another citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF competition representing the new country he/she must:
- Prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive hockey seasons and 16 consecutive months (480 days) in the national competitions of his new country after his 10th birthday during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. Female players need to have participated on a consistent basis for at least one hockey season and have been member of the new national association for at least 8 consecutive months (240 days) during that period.
- Have an international transfer card (ITC) that shows the transfer to the national association of his new country and which was approved and dated at least 16 months (480 days) before the start of the IIHF competition in which he wishes to participate.
- For female players the period is 8 months (240 days) instead of 16 months.
These players acquiring a new citizenship need to have played 2 years in China. If they've played for another national team, it's 4 years
