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A Bundy
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But if khl.ru would be a reliable source for their Nationality there wouldn't be anything to discuss: Kunlun Red Star (Beijing) That's 20 Chinese on the roster according to the KHL.
I think there's at least some level of uncertainty on whether those players have citizenship in China or whether there is a plan to get it.
It's been pointed out that the KHL website has those guys listed as Chinese, but there's some skepticism on that fact.
Point being that as of now, I'm not sure we have official confirmation one way or the other
I agree that EP doesn't always have the nationalities correct. In fact, I suspect that the players that EP does have labelled as dual-Chinese are not dual citizens either.
However, you should read post #236 in this topic. It illustrates that the KHL website is not exactly "reliable" when it comes to the nationality of the Chinese players either.
Unless you think that Brandon Yip is in on some grand conspiracy (five years in the making, I might add!) led by the Western world against the Chinese hockey team, I don't think the KHL website is a reliable source for the current nationality of the Chinese-North Americans either.
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Maybe good old Eurohockey.com is the most accurate between the three: HC Red Star Kunlun details - Eurohockey.com
Didn't compare them in detail, but on first glance that looks similar to elite prospects.
Other than the weird inclusion of Dzierkals, who is playing in the Czech Republic
Dzierkals actually made contract with Kunlun, that was confirmed on their twitter. I suppose he joins after the Olympics when they most likely get rid of the chinese players.
vorky
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He can not join after the Olympics because the KHL deadline is sometimes in December. Around Dec 27.
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Yes. I was mostly thinking of the citizenship. Eliteprospects seem to operate with dual citizenship, but not allowed in China so I assumed it must be one of the other. With Yip as a sample it looks like he is still Canadian by the interviews mentioned.
One should not assume that China operates according to the same legal principles as democratic states do. There is no rule of law, and questions such as those of citizenship can therefore be dealt with rather flexibly. Especially people of Han ethnicity overseas will always be regarded as latent PRC nationals by default.
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Never been to China but they have laws covering this. If was a dictator I would be a bit hesitant to let go of all principles to pimp up a doomed hockey-team by allowing dual citizenship, if just to avoid another 1.4 billion applications .
China also has laws guaranteeing all its citizens full democratic and other human rights.
Regardless of what laws may say there is no actual process to gain or lose citizenship, it is at the discretion of relevant party-state authorities and their decisions do not need to have any coherence. For example the dissident Gui Minhai not only took Swedish citizenship but also renounced his Chinese one, yet he was still abducted from Thailand by Chinese authorities and tried in China as Chinese citizen. Conversely people who are not Han Chinese but live in China generally have no path to ever obtaining Chinese citizenship.
So the actual consequence of dual citizenship is ambiguity that the authorities may or may not use against you when they determine it to be in their interest. For example in the case of these rather harmless hockey players the authorities may well decide sometime after the Olympics that their Chinese nationality is revoked due to dual citizenship as they have outlived their usefulness (and probably are not desperate to keep their Chinese passports anyway).
Regardless of what laws may say there is no actual process to gain or lose citizenship, it is at the discretion of relevant party-state authorities and their decisions do not need to have any coherence. For example the dissident Gui Minhai not only took Swedish citizenship but also renounced his Chinese one, yet he was still abducted from Thailand by Chinese authorities and tried in China as Chinese citizen. Conversely people who are not Han Chinese but live in China generally have no path to ever obtaining Chinese citizenship.
So the actual consequence of dual citizenship is ambiguity that the authorities may or may not use against you when they determine it to be in their interest. For example in the case of these rather harmless hockey players the authorities may well decide sometime after the Olympics that their Chinese nationality is revoked due to dual citizenship as they have outlived their usefulness (and probably are not desperate to keep their Chinese passports anyway).
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Gonna be interesting to see how this unfolds, thats for sure. The KHL team vs China is gonna be interesting to watch. Initially I had a problem with the incentive for a KHL team to demolish China, but on the other han the KHL is gonna look pretty silly if they don't and then get hammered 25-0 in the Olympics. I guess that is incentive enough.
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China will play against a russian KHL team 13 and 15 november according to norwegian hockey president Tage Pettersen. The game will be streamed on internet and is open for everyone. Luc Tardif (president iihf) and IIHF will pick out 5 experts that will monitor the games and decide if China is suited to take part in the men's icehockey olympic tournament.
Norwegian back Bonsaksen says to VG, it's not good for the sport if a team is beaten 30-0.. Tardif fear for the sports reputation if a team loses 30-0
Both VG and nytimes have articles about this.
Kina-tester avgjør Norges OL-skjebne
China’s Hockey Team Is So Bad It Might Be Dropped From the Olympics
Norwegian back Bonsaksen says to VG, it's not good for the sport if a team is beaten 30-0.. Tardif fear for the sports reputation if a team loses 30-0
Both VG and nytimes have articles about this.
Kina-tester avgjør Norges OL-skjebne
China’s Hockey Team Is So Bad It Might Be Dropped From the Olympics
If it's going to be largely just Kunlun team competing as China, I find it hard to believe they'll look outclassed against a KHL team.
But if it's the players who have actually played internationally for China previously, it could get ugly
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I said it many times, KRS = CHINA NT. This exhibition game will be nothing else than ordinary KHL game.
I've seen a lot of speculation of that, but is there a source, besides the KHL website, that confirms that the entire Kunlun roster is eligible to play for China? I don't disagree that it appears very likely, but I personally haven't seen outright confirmation
Why would it get ugly? There's no incentive for the opponent to run up the score in an exhibition game like this even if they could.
That's a fair point, you're probably right that the score might not get out of hand.
But I do think that it would be pretty apparent watching the game that a team of Chinese born players is absolutely out of their depth
Fjorden
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The game will be monitored by a group of hockey experts from the IIHF.
I assume the iihf experts have trained hockey eyes so they can see what level the players and teams are on. If the oponent don't do their best they'll be able to see that and that into account.
They can monitor all they want, but there's no realistic chance to disqualify China if they lose only by three or five goals.
